[Discussion] BB isnt really a bad guy

[Corgi]

Only if you ignore the fact that there was women and children among their ranks. Zoro isnt a bad person for murder. But by your logic without knowing the cercumstances of BB's "killings" We auto know he is a bad guy.
Zoro Can kill = Good
BB can kill =\= good

Luffy can break out prisoners for his own advantages = Good
BB can break out prisoners for his own advantages =/= good

Luffy can dream big with crazy schemes beating up anyone in his way = Good
BB can dream big with crazy schemes beating up anyone in his way =/= Good

Luffy can hurt people to take what He wants = Good
BB Can hurt people to take what he wants =/= good.


Really double standards.

No double standards.

1. Blackbeard kill people who did nothing to him, while they weren't innocent per se, they were innocent in that he had no reason to kill them other than he wanted their powers. Blackbeard kills out of selfishness, while Zoro killed because they were planning to kill his friends. Zoro was justified.

2. No said Luffy wasn't bad for doing that. Luffy is a criminal, he's technically an anti-hero.

3/4. No one said Teach was a bad guy for dreaming. Luffy doesn't beat up just any random people. Crocodile, Enel, St. Charloss, Doflamingo, Rob Lucci, Hody Jones, Caesar Clown, that guy in Drum Kingdom, all attacked and were abusing their power over other people. Most of the people Teach killed were done for no other reason other than selfishness. Once again, SH are justified in their beating up of people.

Believe it or not it's not as black and white as you're trying to make it. There are other details about them to consider.

 

[Tomato God]

Those "innocent" women and children were trying to murder Zoro, he had every right to "kill" them. BB broke out evil prisoners while Luffy tried to break out Ace and broke out Jinbe and Bon Clay, both of which were good guys at the time. Luffy only beats up people who attack his crew or do stuff that are obviously evil. Luffy only hurts bad guys and the only thing he took was some gold that the Skypieans didn't even know was there and would never have used and I doubt any of them would look through the snake for ancient gold.

ALL prisoners are evil....

Pretty much this

Morally objection to pirates is a must. From all stances we as the viewer have a warped view on the pirates. We have been fed arcs of stuff to separate luffy from "bad" pirates like buggy or Cat Claws or Arlong. The first of whom he allied with. Bon Clay was an assassin trying to take over a kingdom. Jimbe had murdered a lot of people. At the end of the day all these pirates have blood stained records and compared to some of the darker characters in One piece BB isnt that bad.

 

[Corgi]

Pretty much this

Morally objection to pirates is a must. From all stances we as the viewer have a warped view on the pirates. We have been fed arcs of stuff to separate luffy from "bad" pirates like buggy or Cat Claws or Arlong. The first of whom he allied with. Bon Clay was an assassin trying to take over a kingdom. Jimbe had murdered a lot of people. At the end of the day all these pirates have blood stained records and compared to some of the darker characters in One piece BB isnt that bad.

You're delusional. Teach is one of the greatest mass murdering, cowardly, conniving traitors, and you think he's not that bad?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

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Looks like a bad guy to me. He's not a total **** though.

 

[Tomato God]

No double standards.

1. Blackbeard kill people who did nothing to him, while they weren't innocent per se, they were innocent in that he had no reason to kill them other than he wanted their powers. Blackbeard kills out of selfishness, while Zoro killed because they were planning to kill his friends. Zoro was justified.

2. No said Luffy wasn't bad for doing that. Luffy is a criminal, he's technically an anti-hero.

3/4. No one said Teach was a bad guy for dreaming. Luffy doesn't beat up just any random people. Crocodile, Enel, St. Charloss, Doflamingo, Rob Lucci, Hody Jones, Caesar Clown, that guy in Drum Kingdom, all attacked and were abusing their power over other people. Most of the people Teach killed were done for no other reason other than selfishness. Once again, SH are justified in their beating up of people.

Believe it or not it's not as black and white as you're trying to make it. There are other details about them to consider.

1. Black beard did what pirates do. He isn't a saint. I admit he is bad in our world but in his he is just your run of the mill pirate. Even more so BB took treasure from others. Zoro saw that as a chance to test his skill. He beat them all to death when they weren't a threat to the crew. They were too weak to beat usopp. They weren't a threat it was a game of cat and mouse for him. Zoro Neg diffed the strongest one on that island. Zoro didn't have to protect himself. They weren't strong enough to hurt him.

3/4. Luffy beat up Those two random guys in Laboon till cause he felt they were making him confused. He punched laboon for getting in his way into the grand line. He beat up THOUSANDS of marines who weren't doing anything wrong. They were just in his way.

Its not a black and white concept in the slightest. Thats why BB cannot be bad. Simply because if it was black and white Luffy and all pirates would be bad. Marines would be good. BUT luffy does genuinely want to do good. BB genuinely just wants to dream big.
They both just do bad things to get it.

 

[Tomato God]

You're delusional. Teach is one of the greatest mass murdering, cowardly, conniving traitors, and you think he's not that bad?

you are close minded. In a world filled with bad guys all it takes for teach to be good is a small act of kindness once to show he has light inside him. And he does. Just small and twisted and wrapped in darkness.

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Looks like a bad guy to me. He's not a total **** though.

He isnt that much farther ahead then the man who wants to be the King of the theives Liars murderers and Scurge of the earth.
Pirates are bad. He isnt a totally **** so by pirate standards that makes him good.

 

[Corgi]

1. Black beard did what pirates do. He isn't a saint. I admit he is bad in our world but in his he is just your run of the mill pirate. Even more so BB took treasure from others. Zoro saw that as a chance to test his skill. He beat them all to death when they weren't a threat to the crew. They were too weak to beat usopp. They weren't a threat it was a game of cat and mouse for him. Zoro Neg diffed the strongest one on that island. Zoro didn't have to protect himself. They weren't strong enough to hurt him.

3/4. Luffy beat up Those two random guys in Laboon till cause he felt they were making him confused. He punched laboon for getting in his way into the grand line. He beat up THOUSANDS of marines who weren't doing anything wrong. They were just in his way.

Its not a black and white concept in the slightest. Thats why BB cannot be bad. Simply because if it was black and white Luffy and all pirates would be bad. Marines would be good. BUT luffy does genuinely want to do good. BB genuinely just wants to dream big.
They both just do bad things to get it.

1. Even by OP world standards, he's a bad guy. All pirates are perceived as bad guys. All pirates do shitty things, Luffy's crew just hasn't done much of that yet. Teach is not just a run of the mill pirate because not every run of the mill pirate tricks the government, hunts down and kills people for their powers, stab their friends in the back, etc. Teach is among the worst.


3/4 Luffy beat up Marines who attacked him first. Luffy has never gone looking for Marines just to beat them up. Any time Luffy has fought with the Marines, he's done so for a good reason, while Teach just kills whoever whenever.

Sure, Luffy hit two guys who confused him, but so what? Oh some guys got hit, did he kill them? Torture them? It's nothing compared to Teach..

You are regarding this as black and white, and that's obvious to anyone here. You look at it in black and white because you're saying "Luffy beat up people, Teach beat up people, therefore they're the same." The post I quoted from you is nothing but that, you can't deny it in any way. You are failing to see it as "Luffy beat up people who were harming others, Teach beat up people because he's a bully." Simple as that. Teach is one of the worst, while Luffy isn't, end of story.

 

[Tomato God]

1. Even by OP world standards, he's a bad guy. All pirates are perceived as bad guys. All pirates do shitty things, Luffy's crew just hasn't done much of that yet. Teach is not just a run of the mill pirate because not every run of the mill pirate tricks the government, hunts down and kills people for their powers, stab their friends in the back, etc. Teach is among the worst.


3/4 Luffy beat up Marines who attacked him first. Luffy has never gone looking for Marines just to beat them up. Any time Luffy has fought with the Marines, he's done so for a good reason, while Teach just kills whoever whenever.

Sure, Luffy hit two guys who confused him, but so what? Oh some guys got hit, did he kill them? Torture them? It's nothing compared to Teach..

You are regarding this as black and white, and that's obvious to anyone here. You look at it in black and white because you're saying "Luffy beat up people, Teach beat up people, therefore they're the same." The post I quoted from you is nothing but that, you can't deny it in any way. You are failing to see it as "Luffy beat up people who were harming others, Teach beat up people because he's a bully." Simple as that. Teach is one of the worst, while Luffy isn't, end of story.

1. They would do it and they do do it. More than not we have seen crazy violent pirates. Name the good pirate groups you know and i will name 4 that we have met that are murderous psychotic Back stabbing bastards. Luffy is a rare breed. Law isnt a good guy like luffy kid isnt. The shanks pirates and the WB pirates maybe but thats three. The rest are monsters. Why can't you accept that BB has shown human morality even if its not large and not often he still had one moment of redemption.

3/4. The marines were doing their job. What you just said is if I rob a store and the cops attack me to stop me I can beat them up with no remorse. But in your eyes thats okay. Brb gonna go Shoot up a Police station and see what you think of it.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1. They would do it and they do do it. More than not we have seen crazy violent pirates. Name the good pirate groups you know and i will name 4 that we have met that are murderous psychotic Back stabbing bastards. Luffy is a rare breed. Law isnt a good guy like luffy kid isnt. The shanks pirates and the WB pirates maybe but thats three. The rest are monsters. Why can't you accept that BB has shown human morality even if its not large and not often he still had one moment of redemption.

3/4. The marines were doing their job. What you just said is if I rob a store and the cops attack me to stop me I can beat them up with no remorse. But in your eyes thats okay. Brb gonna go Shoot up a Police station and see what you think of it.

The Nazis were also just doing their job.

 

[Tomato God]

The Nazis were also just doing their job.

The marines are committing genocide? You are comparing marines in one piece to nazis? Really. The marines job is to protect and apprehend pirates a nazi's job is to Kill all the people that aren't arian. See the difference? I know its easy to get the two mixed up but look real close now.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

The marines are committing genocide? You are comparing marines in one piece to nazis? Really. The marines job is to protect and apprehend pirates a nazi's job is to Kill all the people that aren't arian. See the difference? I know its easy to get the two mixed up but look real close now.

You don't get what Im saying. Im saying that you shouldn't just blindly follow orders.

 

[Tomato God]

You don't get what Im saying. Im saying that you shouldn't just blindly follow orders.

Thier orders are completely justified. You make them seem bad so I urge you to prove it. Prove that their orders should be questioned because they are ordered to do evil.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

I feel like doflamingo already answered this.....

 

[Corgi]

1. They would do it and they do do it. More than not we have seen crazy violent pirates. Name the good pirate groups you know and i will name 4 that we have met that are murderous psychotic Back stabbing bastards. Luffy is a rare breed. Law isnt a good guy like luffy kid isnt. The shanks pirates and the WB pirates maybe but thats three. The rest are monsters. Why can't you accept that BB has shown human morality even if its not large and not often he still had one moment of redemption.

3/4. The marines were doing their job. What you just said is if I rob a store and the cops attack me to stop me I can beat them up with no remorse. But in your eyes thats okay. Brb gonna go Shoot up a Police station and see what you think of it.

Hitler had those moments too. Is Hitler "not such a bad guy who was only doing what he wanted"?

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Hitler had those moments too. Is Hitler "not such a bad guy who was only doing what he wanted"?

Hitler did kill Adolf hitler so in a sense he is a hero but hitler also killed the guy who killed hitler but than again he killed the guy who killed the guy who killed hitler

 

[Souji]

I believe Doflamingo got it right in MF...



1:00 because I can't post videos that start at specific times on here >_>"

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

I believe Doflamingo got it right in MF...



1:00 because I can't post videos that start at specific times on here >_>"

Wow if only had someone posted exact same video.....oh wait I did

I feel like doflamingo already answered this.....

 

[Jimmy page]

The strawhat's are chaotic neutral/good. Bb is chaotic evil bro.

 

[Grim]

can I see proof of Zoro killing Women and Children ?

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Nah Tashigi told Smoker Zoro got his bounty because they were all dead. Not defeated. Murdered.

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She said defeated Daz bones. He slaughtered all of the people at Whiskey peak. Men women and children.

^^^ there it is

can I see proof of Zoro killing Women and Children ?