[VS] Tobirama vs. Hiruzen

[makosheva7]

TOBIRAMA

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HIRUZEN

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Location: Forest
Starting distance: 50 m
Mindset: In Character
Restrictions: ET, RDS
Intel: Manga

Assume this is prime Hiruzen, so he has beast chakra levels, heightened reflexes, but base his jutsu feats on actual things he did in the manga, in EDO form or not. None of this hype bull.

 

[BlacLord™]

Tobirama roflstomps.

You say "none of this hype bull" yet bring forth "Prime Hiruzen". The latter does not exist, it's just a coalescence of unfounded hype.

 

[makosheva7]

Tobirama roflstomps.

You say "none of this hype bull" yet bring forth "Prime Hiruzen". The latter does not exist, it's just a coalescence of unfounded hype.

lel that's what I'm saying. People use all of the "he knows all of konoha jutsu" and what not to describe prime hiruzen. I just mentioned that name to signify that he's young and would have better stamina and reflexes.

 

[super yang]

Re: Brother of the Mythical Wood Sage vs. Son of The Legendary ''Sasuke''

It could go either way in a battle of high moxie, clone spammers.
I'd vote 4 Hiruzen (Hiruzen Knows~)

 

[MickNerks]

Hiruzen knows tobirama's entire arsenal and has a counter to all his jutsu, so he definitely wins this fight. Even the older Hiruzen would win.

 

[BlacLord™]

Hiruzen knows tobirama's entire arsenal and has a counter to all his jutsu, so he definitely wins this fight. Even the older Hiruzen would win.

He can't counter shit.

Tobirama blitzed an MS user despite the pre-cog, Hiruzen gets blitzed by Hiraishingiri.

 

[Bronze]

Hiruzen knows tobirama's entire arsenal and has a counter to all his jutsu, so he definitely wins this fight. Even the older Hiruzen would win.

You never cease to amaze me, young man.

OT: Tobirama with ease.​

 

[Gold Lightning]

lel that's what I'm saying. People use all of the "he knows all of konoha jutsu" and what not to describe prime hiruzen. I just mentioned that name to signify that he's young and would have better stamina and reflexes.

so basically edo hiruzen, but alive right

 

[MickNerks]

He can't counter shit.

Tobirama blitzed an MS user despite the pre-cog, Hiruzen gets blitzed by Hiraishingiri.

You never cease to amaze me, young man.

OT: Tobirama with ease.​

So both of you believe that with full intel of FTG and all tobirama's abilities, Hiruzen who is hailed as a genius would still just sit there to get blitz by someone he knows has speed advantage???

I guess Tobirama solo's Hashirama and Madara as well by blitzing Them??? Hiraishingiri must solo all...

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[makosheva7]

so basically edo hiruzen, but alive right

ya, I guess but edo Hiruzen has limitless chakra levels, whereas a prime hiruzen wouldn't.

 

[Gold Lightning]

ya, I guess but edo Hiruzen has limitless chakra levels, whereas a prime hiruzen wouldn't.

well yeah of course. I'm sure young hiruzen had a 5 in chakra.

 

[RicardoA]

Alive Hiruzen: Tobirama wins.
The old man can't keep up in terms of stamina, which would be his downfall. But he would still up a great fight.

Edo Hiruzen (w/o regeneration): Hiruzen wins.
He can afford to spam his abilities more and match Tobirama in the stamina department.
Elemental jutsus and CQC won't be a problem. Unless Tobirama somehow manages to tag Hiruzen in the heat of the fight, i don't see him winning.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Alive Hiruzen: Tobirama wins.
The old man can't keep up in terms of stamina, which would be his downfall. But he would still up a great fight.

Edo Hiruzen (w/o regeneration): Hiruzen wins.
He can afford to spam his abilities more and match Tobirama in the stamina department.
Elemental jutsus and CQC won't be a problem. Unless Tobirama somehow manages to tag Hiruzen in the heat of the fight, i don't see him winning.

The op said this is prime hiruzen/young hiruzen but with edo feats. So stamina and speed isnt really a problem

 

[RicardoA]

The op said this is prime hiruzen/young hiruzen but with edo feats. So stamina and speed isnt really a problem

That's why i mentioned the two known versions of him

 

[Gold Lightning]

That's why i mentioned the two known versions of him

So how do you think Hiruzen deals with FTG slash. It's quite fast, dont see hiruzen avoiding it.

 

[MickNerks]

So how do you think Hiruzen deals with FTG slash. It's quite fast, dont see hiruzen avoiding it.

He can sense it like madara did. It has been showed multiple times that he has sensing abilities. Which could allow him to dodge. I'm currently trying on my phone but when I get back to my laptop I'll post scans of hiruzen sensing an attack he couldn't see and blocking.

 

[Gold Lightning]

He can sense it like madara did. It has been showed multiple times that he has sensing abilities. Which could allow him to dodge. I'm currently trying on my phone but when I get back to my laptop I'll post scans of hiruzen sensing an attack he couldn't see and blocking.

Sensory ability does not give you the ability to evade FTG. Madara has sensory jutsu in addition to Sage mode perception and sensing + Hashirama dna + rinnegan. Hiruzen has none of those. Nor does he have the physical prowess to evade such an attack.

 

[RicardoA]

So how do you think Hiruzen deals with FTG slash. It's quite fast, dont see hiruzen avoiding it.

Isn't that just another application of FTG? Unless he tags Hiruzen he can't do it.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Hiruzen has shown a much larger arsenal, but tobirama is probably more skilled
Hiruzen high diff imo

 

[Gold Lightning]

Isn't that just another application of FTG? Unless he tags Hiruzen he can't do it.

By tagging a kunai or sword with the ftg formula, the user performs a kind of shunshin like teleport at blistering speed, it's almost impossible to react to.

The best way I can describe it is it being a short range ftg dash/teleport forward. Tobirama doesnt need to tag hiruzen to use the move.