Byakugan 白眼 True Origin

[Xāvî1]

Great thread tho most of us already know about this!~

 

[Draxus]

I am just making a connection here. This doesn't mean I am completely right. Nothing is 100 % right until it actually happens in the manga. At least that's what I think.

The human mind always looks for connections and patterns even when they aren't there. That's why you have to be careful when you look too deep into things and make sure all aspects match up with what is manga fact. That's why I challenge theories like yours. I poke holes, and you can either fill them or ignore them. I appreciate the fact you don't assume your theories are 100% correct, please don't think me challenging you is me attacking you.

 

[ROHAN]

The human mind always looks for connections and patterns even when they aren't there. That why you have always look deeper and make sure aspects match up with what is manga fact. That's why I challenge theories like yours. I poke holes and you can either fill them or ignore them. I appreciate the fact you don't assume your theories are 100% correct, don't assume me challenging you is me attacking you.

No Problems.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

I find it how funny that you admitted everything your saying is nothing but an ass pull. But I'll reply anyway.

Prepare to be surprised.

I doubt it:dunno:

No, all things come from the Divine Female.

If you mean all things came from Kaguya then your incorrect, don't listen to a Mommy's boy. Kaguya was not the progenitor of Chakra, for she still gained Chakra from the Shinju, and thus the Shinju as was stated, is still the actual Originator/Progenitor of everything.

No, she was not the first person to consume the fruit.

The fruit is born every 1000 years and it is per tradition that -humans- are to not lay their hands on it.

Kaguya would not meet many people's definition of human.

Kaguya was human before she consumed the fruit. And she was the first to consume the fruit, the world had no Chakra (This is correct) until Kaguya bore Hagoromo, who then changed the old world, and created a new one with the Sword of Nunoboko, by granting everything Chakra.(This part is speculation, but it is plausible.) Also, the fruit isn't born, it blooms.

I've seen it both ways.

The supposed other way is an incorrect spelling.

You're the type of person who is surprised when a character like Kaguya is introduced, aren't you little buddy?

They were the first people born with chakra, yes.

Now how do you suppose that happened?

A certain red haired tree shaman boinked a sky princess.

I seriously have no idea what the **** your talking about, also Kaguya is white haired.

Spare for the fact that the Byakugan existed before the Rinnegan.

Nope, the Byakugan only existed before the watered down version of the Rinnegan that the Sage had. The True Rinnegan, the Shinju's Eye and Kaguya's Third Eye, is what every Dojutsu originates from, specifically the 'Three Great Dojutsu.'

*sigh* A child learns a definition and believes himself to know something?

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"Buddhism agrees with the generally negative view that death is the fearful and disastrous culmination of an existence already marred by sorrow and suffering. This tragedy of death is magnified by the certainty of rebirth (again-arising) and the repetition of suffering and death (passing away) in samsara existence. That we are locked in the wheel of life and death is an indication of the fundamental emptiness of existence. The continuity and duration of life and death for each individual is incalculable, since if the collection of the bones of one person's repeated rebirth could be amassed, they would form a mountain of skeletons. This imprisonment in the round of existence, however, is neither arbitrary nor ordained by a huge power. It is rather the result of one's own deeds (kamma), good or bad. Through his deeds each person weaves his own web of fate. It is therefore in the power of each individual to either remain in the endless cycle or to escape from it. For in this cycle he is both cause and effect, the entire act or deed on the one hand, and, on the other hand, the consequence of the act. As an effect of his past deeds he is the product of the past. But as a cause he is a field of possibilities : he has the ability to gradually free himself from the past and to become whatever he wants to be. "

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"The cycle of life and death, rebirth and redeath, of delusion and suffering, in which all sentient beings are trapped unless they can break free of the cycle. The “cycle” refers generally to the Six States of Existence (this page), but there are also two, three, four, seven, and twelve kinds of samsara (not discussed herein). The Six States are also known as the Six Paths/Roads of Reincarnation/Transmigration. One must achieve nirvana (enlightenment, satori, emancipation, nibanna) to break free of the cycle. These latter terms are synonomous in modern English usage. See Terminology page for more. In Japan, where Mahayana teachings are widely practiced, groupings of six statues of Jizō Bosatsu are quite common, one for each of the six realms. In the Tantric traditions of Tibet, the Wheel of Life on Tibetan Tankas depicts the six realms with great graphic detail -- the wheel is traditionally clutched in the hands of Yama, the Lord of Death, and shows images of hell, torture, war, human life, divine spirits, and other detailed iconography. See below for Tibetan Wheel of Life Tanka."

It does not necessarily mean - just - reincarnation.

It also refers to phases of our own existence. It corresponds to the cycle of nations. People cycle from contentment to complacency, from complacency to survival instinct, from survival instinct to rebirth, from rebirth to hunger, from hunger to productivity, from productivity to contentment, from contentment to complacency.

Round and round it goes.

This is the cycle Pain is referring to in his lecture:

[video=youtube;asFvPIKBoaI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asFvPIKBoaI[/video]

His speech is in regards to manipulating that cycle - to controlling that cycle and forcing people into various forms of suffering to prompt the next stage.

I already know this, I brushed up on some Japan culture after realizing that there was more to it. However, I said Rebirth and Reincarnation. Also, the Rinnegan is most definitely meant to be a 'Divine Eye.' As most of its powers are connected to Gods. Which human suffering doesn't fit well with. Could be wrong, also your saying that I'm a child when you posted utter BS and admitted to it all being an ass-pull. I'm having so many Lol's right now.

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Yep.

She's totally referring to her sons in 689.

Unless your not being sarcastic, and thus actually agree with what the Manga states, then I'm fine with that, however if your being sarcastic them I'm going to have to start wondering about your comprehension level. If you are being sarcastic.......
Funny how you mention this scan

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Notice the words. 'Hagoromo.. Homura.. Your Mine' She said this while holding onto Naruto and Sasuke, and the scan parralled them through the use of those words. Also...

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Your argument is invalid, is that understood?

A different one from where you get yours.

You see, the manga has very little to say about the Byakugan just yet.
So it's useless to discuss manga facts, as there are so very little.

First of, I get my information from the manga, not a really BS awful Fanfiction.
Incorrect, the Manga said plenty about the Byakugan, and most of what was said came true. The watered down Sharingan came from the Rinnegan and the Byakugan, which was stated back in Part 1 about the Byakugan, and that statement came true.

There is enough evidence to talk about manga facts for the Byakugan, your assumption is invalid.

It's also very late for me, and I am procrastinating sleep. Look up a few of the threads I've started - there you'll find more of the evidence I've applied to these claims. You'll find a lot more of the answers, there.

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Though - again - I've been predicting this stuff for like a year now. No need to pay any attention to what I have to say.

Just remember - it's all an ass-pull with no precedent.

I'll check out this supposed Evidence/Fanfiction later, it is really ****ing Late/Early right now.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Surely chakra has always existed, If the people before kaguya didn't have chakra, they wouldn't be alive.
That's why when someone looses all their chakra, they die.

So everyone had it, just didn't know about it or how to use it, or how to improve it.

No one had Chakra originally.(Note this part is correct) The Sage changed that with the Sword of Nunoboko, by changing the old world where Chakra didn't exist besides with the Shinju and Kaguya, himself and his brother, he created/shaped a new world by granting it Chakra. (Note this part is speculation. But it is plausible)
Therefore its the Sword that created/shaped the world as has been stated.

 

[Seventh Sama]

@Lord of akatsuki.
where was it stated that she has white hair?
She most likely has a reddish-brown hair just like Juudara and hagoromo does.
also you just cant right away say shes human.
we have no idea what the hell she is, So your guess is as good as mines and anybody elses.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

The Byakugan was a Mutation. When the chakraless princess ate the shinju fruit, her fragile body mutated to be compatible with chakra. Thus the chakra network was born, and the first kekkeigenkai. Her eyes "Byakugan", her body "Senju", her Bones "Kimmi" all enhanced. As ive said before, Byakugan is the eye of chakra, its so connected to chakra, there is little doubt it orignated with it. And where did chakra come from? The Shinju

On the slight chance she had it before eating the fruit, then the theory still stands, except there mustve been another source of chakra wherever she came from

Actually I can speculate that the chakra existed before she ate the fruit which likely derived from the natural chakra in the world that the tree had absorbed . The natural energy is the essence of chakra the very thing that keeps this world full of life. The fruit gathers all that energy and condense and bloom into charka fruit, fruit grows from water/sunlight all that is inside the holy tree. The Hyuuga still inherited the Byakugan because the family all had royal blood and not just Kaguya. We all know that she only possessed the Byakugan before she awaken the Sharingan after eating the fruit of the Shinju. Furthermore, Madara's statement is left to suggest that it blooms about once every thousand years. It has been roughly one thousand years since the tree, Kaguya, and the Juubi were sealed.

The Ootsutsuki could have been the first branch family – one that the main family regretted not reining in. The Hyuga never once observed utilize Ninjutsu in any shape or form, As far as I'm aware they simply release chakra from their tenketsu. There are couple of techniques that don't harness chakra linked to the Shinju. The 8 gates don't demand chakra in the same way that other techniques do. Lee is not supposed to be able to mould chakra and yet he can use the eight gates technique. Guy was able to knock Madara around in ways that none of even the most skilled ninjutsu users have been able to. I don't remember the Byakugan ever running out of chakra for that matter either.

I believe that the Otsutsuki Clan, through practice and meditation was able to harness the true power of the Mind's Eye (Byakugan) causing a Special Chakra to sprout. This Chakra was passed down every generations and with there Byakugan they were able to divine Chakra and the Energies of the Body and developed The Gentle Fist as a result. And so the first Doujutsu was the Byakugan, when activated they open their Mind's Eye which grants them "perception beyond ordinary sight".

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

This is something interesting :-

Kaguya's Moon Eye (IT Eye) gets replaced with a circle representing the Sun.

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The Sun represents Kaguya's purification from the Darkness; here it is Moon. She is separated from the Shinju; so her Sun powers come out.

The circle has swirls around it representing the Sun's rays.

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Since, Kaguya is purified; she becomes a rabbit and loses the Third Eye.

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The circle along with the Byakugan has a celestial connection to the Sun.

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The Sun is a source of Preservation as it preserves all life with it's Sunlight.

So, Kaguya may be the Sun Goddess of Preservation and her Doujutsu, The Byakugan represents the Sun.

So, The Byakugan is a Celestial Doujutsu as it was originally called as the sun.

Similarities to the Sun :-

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This was nicely done, I like how you point out with the Sun which makes sense but unfortunately this was already taken from another Japaneese Mythology in according to the context, Amatarsu actually means the Sun. Surely the Hyuga means toward the sun, but however the two words between "Hyuga" and "Byakugan" are clearly strong distinction especially it was originate from the Ootsutski from Kaguya species from.

In Shinto, the square stands for the Sun God Amaterasu, the circle for the Moon God Tsukuyomi no Mikoto, and the triangle for the God of the Stars, Susanoo-no-Mikoto.

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"The Sun (Amaterasu, represented by the square), symbolizes our inner light, and rules the day, the state of Divine Presence. When presence is absent, the moon gives light, and rules the night, the state of sleep , in which man spends most of his days. The moon (Tsukuyomi no Mikoto, represented by the circle) symbolizes our ruling faculty or the mind, which Gurdjieff called the steward. It tries to bring us back to the state of presence. Gurdjieff spoke about creating moon in oneself, which means creating a steward, or a faculty in oneself that keeps reminding one to not sleep, but to be present.
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In ancient times, the stars were the main means of navigation at sea during the night. Stars (Susano-no-Mikoto, represented by the triangle) symbolize reminders to awaken the God within. When one is submerged in daily activities, one suddenly realizes that one is asleep, and one tells oneself to Be (present). Stars are small sparks of light in the darkness (the state of psychological sleep that we spend most of our waking hours in) that guide us to our destination, the present moment."

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Unless Kishi tends to overlapping the religious imagery onto each of his characters and jutsu.

 

[SasukexNeji]

LEL illiterate punks above me

i no rite. thigs they say dont even mak sense

 

[Rabbit Teth]

This was nicely done, I like how you point out with the Sun which makes sense but unfortunately this was already taken from another Japaneese Mythology in according to the context, Amatarsu actually means the Sun. Surely the Hyuga means toward the sun, but however the two words between "Hyuga" and "Byakugan" are clearly strong distinction especially it was originate from the Ootsutski from Kaguya species from.

In Shinto, the square stands for the Sun God Amaterasu, the circle for the Moon God Tsukuyomi no Mikoto, and the triangle for the God of the Stars, Susanoo-no-Mikoto.

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Unless Kishi tends to overlapping the religious imagery onto each of his characters and jutsu.

I think there's a lot of overlapping imagery. It's pretty easy to identify Hagoromo as the Square now that we know the Rabbit Goddess was the Ten Tailed Bijuu.

The Square turns up in a couple of scenes where it seems to represent Hagoromo:

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The square is the container for 9 flames or circles that represent the Bijuu. Hagoromo was the original container for the 9 bijuu which would make him the Square as well as Amaterasu / the Sun.

That helps establish the symbolism as:

Kaguya (Hagoromo's Mum) - Circle - Rabbit - Mikoto (Sasuke's mum) - Kannon - Full Moon
Hagoromo - Square - Garuda (Hawk) - Amaterasu - Amida - Sun
Hamura - Triangle - Snake - Susanoo - Seishi - Crescent Moon

Statues:

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Garuda / Naga

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[Lord of Akatsuki]

@Lord of akatsuki.
where was it stated that she has white hair?
She most likely has a reddish-brown hair just like Juudara and hagoromo does.
also you just cant right away say shes human.
we have no idea what the hell she is, So your guess is as good as mines and anybody elses.

She didn't become a Goddess or a Divine being until she had consumed the Fruit.
Her hair is depicted\drawn as a light coloured hair, presumably White or Silver, with bright Blonde as a low possibility. Actually, its never been outright shown that Juubidara had red hair.

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This is the scan that people use to show that he had red hair, however..
In this coloured version of the Manga, Sasuke's Rinnegan is red, while in fact its officially purple. Sasuke's shirt is also coloured grey, when it is actually white,

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this is one of Kishi's volume pictures, which are official colours, Sasuke's shirt is white in it, and is white in every other official pic.

Red hair, is depicted\drawn black in Naruto.
As has been seen, every character that has their hair drawn like Kaguya's, has white/silver hair. Of course, there still is a chance that it is red.
But I'm pretty damn sure its white.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Actually I can speculate that the chakra existed before she ate the fruit which likely derived from the natural chakra in the world that the tree had absorbed . The natural energy is the essence of chakra the very thing that keeps this world full of life. The fruit gathers all that energy and condense and bloom into charka fruit, fruit grows from water/sunlight all that is inside the holy tree. The Hyuuga still inherited the Byakugan because the family all had royal blood and not just Kaguya. We all know that she only possessed the Byakugan before she awaken the Sharingan after eating the fruit of the Shinju. Furthermore, Madara's statement is left to suggest that it blooms about once every thousand years. It has been roughly one thousand years since the tree, Kaguya, and the Juubi were sealed.

No, there wasn't any nature Chakra at that time, there was no Chakra. The Shinju doesn't absorb its Chakra from the world. It is the worlds Chakra, everything comes from it. As shown, Nature Energy and Six Paths/Rikudo Chakra is the most purest form of the Shinju's spread thin Chakra, as its the only Chakra that can harm it. Also, the Shinju can absorb every drop of the Chakra in the world, because all of that Chakra is its Chakra.
Stop trying to twist the Byakugan's origins with something as utterly annoying as this fanfiction of the Byuakugan. We have no idea if Kaguya is royalty or nobility, but its the most probable belief. She even has the air of a noble/royal person, but don't make supposed things up about her family. It does bloom once every thousand years.

The Ootsutsuki could have been the first branch family – one that the main family regretted not reining in. The Hyuga never once observed utilize Ninjutsu in any shape or form, As far as I'm aware they simply release chakra from their tenketsu. There are couple of techniques that don't harness chakra linked to the Shinju. The 8 gates don't demand chakra in the same way that other techniques do. Lee is not supposed to be able to mould chakra and yet he can use the eight gates technique. Guy was able to knock Madara around in ways that none of even the most skilled ninjutsu users have been able to. I don't remember the Byakugan ever running out of chakra for that matter either.

Guy was only able to do that because Kakashi took away Madara's best defense, the GDs. Besides that I'm not going to reply to this part.

I believe that the Otsutsuki Clan, through practice and meditation was able to harness the true power of the Mind's Eye (Byakugan) causing a Special Chakra to sprout. This Chakra was passed down every generations and with there Byakugan they were able to divine Chakra and the Energies of the Body and developed The Gentle Fist as a result. And so the first Doujutsu was the Byakugan, when activated they open their Mind's Eye which grants them "perception beyond ordinary sight".

This is all incorrect. Kaguya only got the Byakugan when she had the fruit, and her family didn't have Chakra. The First Dojutsu was the True Rinnegan, which every Dojutsu comes from. Oh for **** sake, I'm not going to reply to anything else

 

[ROHAN]

She didn't become a Goddess or a Divine being until she had consumed the Fruit.
Her hair is depicted\drawn as a light coloured hair, presumably White or Silver, with bright Blonde as a low possibility. Actually, its never been outright shown that Juubidara had red hair.

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This is the scan that people use to show that he had red hair, however..
In this coloured version of the Manga, Sasuke's Rinnegan is red, while in fact its officially purple. Sasuke's shirt is also coloured grey, when it is actually white,

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this is one of Kishi's volume pictures, which are official colours, Sasuke's shirt is white in it, and is white in every other official pic.

Red hair, is depicted\drawn black in Naruto.
As has been seen, every character that has their hair drawn like Kaguya's, has white/silver hair. Of course, there still is a chance that it is red.
But I'm pretty damn sure its white.

The volume cover shows Hagoromo having light red hair. So, it's logical that his relatives, Kaguya and Hamura also have red hair. But, in the manga; their hair is portrayed as White. Red Hair in Black and white versions always have a lighter shading of Grey-Black. But, their hair is shown as pure-White hinting that their hair color is White or Silver. I think Kishi messed up the shading of thier hair.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

The volume cover shows Hagoromo having light red hair. So, it's logical that his relatives, Kaguya and Hamura also have red hair. But, in the manga; their hair is portrayed as White. Red Hair in Black and white versions always have a lighter shading of Grey-Black. But, their hair is shown as pure-White hinting that their hair color is White or Silver. I think Kishi messed up the shading of thier hair.

This is true, however, Juubito had white hair. Madara has red or white hair. That means the white could be connected to the Juubi.
Hagoromo's hair in old age is also slightly on the silver/grey side. Which is why his hair might be drawn like that.
However I'm pretty damn sure that Kaguya has white hair, not red, close relatives don't always have the same hair colour, I am one of four, and my hair isn't anything like any of my siblings except for one, but even then its slightly different. I have light or dark brown hair, one of my siblings has dark bright blonde. Another has gold, and another has brown hair.
But my Dad has black hair, though it is now quite grey, considering his age. My Mother has dark blonde/brownish hair. So yeah, not all relatives have the same hair colour.

 

[ROHAN]

This is true, however, Juubito had white hair. Madara has red or white hair. That means the white could be connected to the Juubi.
Hagoromo's hair in old age is also slightly on the silver/grey side. Which is why his hair might be drawn like that.
However I'm pretty damn sure that Kaguya has white hair, not red, close relatives don't always have the same hair colour, I am one of four, and my hair isn't anything like any of my siblings except for one, but even then its slightly different. I have light or dark brown hair, one of my siblings has dark bright blonde. Another has gold, and another has brown hair.
But my Dad has black hair, though it is now quite grey, considering his age. My Mother has dark blonde/brownish hair. So yeah, not all relatives have the same hair colour.

Well, I guess it's best to wait until an official color page of Kaguya is released.

 

[Seventh Sama]

She didn't become a Goddess or a Divine being until she had consumed the Fruit.
Her hair is depicted\drawn as a light coloured hair, presumably White or Silver, with bright Blonde as a low possibility. Actually, its never been outright shown that Juubidara had red hair.

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This is the scan that people use to show that he had red hair, however..
In this coloured version of the Manga, Sasuke's Rinnegan is red, while in fact its officially purple. Sasuke's shirt is also coloured grey, when it is actually white,

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this is one of Kishi's volume pictures, which are official colours, Sasuke's shirt is white in it, and is white in every other official pic.

Red hair, is depicted\drawn black in Naruto.
As has been seen, every character that has their hair drawn like Kaguya's, has white/silver hair. Of course, there still is a chance that it is red.
But I'm pretty damn sure its white.

No shit but we have no idea where she came from all we got is that she originated from a "far away land". There's no "far away land" in the naruto world. All the five shinobi nations is what makes up the world of naruto. She has to be from a different world/dimension.

And Lol hagoromo has been proven to have reddish-brown hair therefore kaguya has the same hair, so you solo'd youself in that part of the argument.

 

[ROHAN]

No shit but we have no idea where she came from all we got is that she originated from a "far away land". There's no "far away land" in the naruto world. All the five shinobi nations is what makes up the world of naruto. She has to be from a different world/dimension.

And Lol hagoromo has been proven to have reddish-brown hair therefore kaguya has the same hair, so you solo'd youself in that part of the argument.

Kaguya came from the Deva Realm. Dattebayo !

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

No shit but we have no idea where she came from all we got is that she originated from a "far away land". There's no "far away land" in the naruto world. All the five shinobi nations is what makes up the world of naruto. She has to be from a different world/dimension.

And Lol hagoromo has been proven to have reddish-brown hair therefore kaguya has the same hair, so you solo'd youself in that part of the argument.

The Five Shinobi Nations is not all of the Naruto world, there are islands that are not part of the Five, you need to learn how to read. Far Away land means another continent or an island that is unknown.
You have the comprehension of a 1 year old.

Hagoromo has grey/silver reddish hair, get it right I did not solo my self. Learn/get a better intellectual/comprehension level. You can go now.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Well, I guess it's best to wait until an official color page of Kaguya is released.

Yes it is best to wait for an actual official page to be released.

 

[Seventh Sama]

The Five Shinobi Nations is not all of the Naruto world, there are islands that are not part of the Five, you need to learn how to read. Far Away land means another continent or an island that is unknown.
You have the comprehension of a 1 year old.

Hagoromo has grey/silver reddish hair, get it right I did not solo my self. Lean/get a better intellectual/comprehension level. You can go now.

*Face palm* you idiot. The naruto world isnt the same as our world. There is no other continents other than the ninja continent.
MT has already been shown to be a global genjutsu. The manga has showed us all the locations of the ninja world who are under the effects of MT.

Lol are you colored blind?
It's a fukin reddish brown color, Pleb.