Is kishimoto trolling Susake?

[Prince Of Dump]

The reason why Sasuke was ineffectual against Kaguya without Naruto is to demonstrate the hierarchy of the three-way deadlock. Sasuke, Naruto, and the Main Antagonist also represent a threeway deadlock, with Sasuke never being able to defeat the main antagonist, but always being able to overcome Naruto. Naruto on the other hand has been highly successful against the main antagonist, but cannot overcome Sasuke. The deadlock would look like this, Main Antagonist> Sasuke> Naruto> Main Antagonist.

This guy is mad and blind.

Current naruto > Sasuke.

If naruto can stomp Ancestor of all chakra then he can also solo foddersuke

 

[-immortal-]

Why do people deny its 4-0. I havent. Said saduke >nardo or vica versa bruh. Sure if naruto solos sasuke now

 

[Romy9]

Just stop, they aren't Itachi's powers. I already countered that bs above, I'm guessing since Itachi has Susano'o as well that makes it Madara's power? Since people choose to selectively read, I'll post AGAIN.

You realize Itachi was SURPRISED that Sasuke could awaken Susano'o when he was an Edo. That shit has been retconned. That scan below dumps all over your argument concerning this matter, because if Itachi did in fact implant all his eye powers, he wouldn't have had that reaction.


So now, "what is so hard to understand"? I'm out of this thread for now, I'll check back later.

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi seemed like Itachi's powers, yeah. That's not selective reading.

Most of his powers are based off of Itachi since those include Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Susanoo is obviously something that can be awakened regardless of the brother ties.

 

[BLAZE]

SpaceyOrange always post one or two liner post that bash Sasuke then gets destroyed by logic and facts then dissapears.Especially if theres more than one person counter his BS.It's like he deosn't want to realize he's wrong so he runs away before he becomes persuaded.

It's pretty funny two watch.

i disagree Spacey is cool.She nvr insults sasuke fanbase :|
and Naruto is one my fav char too[i like sasuke more]

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Sasuke used all 3 powers just as Itachi did. The only one thatw as weaker was Tsukuyomi, out of obvious reasons. Itachi implanted Amaterasu in him. I don't see the reason of it being awakened just one time. I agree with most of the points though.

It wasn't awakened.Sasuke set his Amaterasu in Sasuke specifically so it would activate when Sasuke saw Tobi's Sharingan.Notice that Sasuke's eye takes shape of Itachi's Mangekyo and the attack launches,then his eyes go back to normal.

After that Sasuke's eye never took the shape of Itachis until he got the EMS.When Sasuke used Amaterasu against Bee and at the Summit,it was with his own Mangeko,hence not Itachi's Mangekyo shape.

Also Sasuke's Amaterasu is better than Itachi's which was noted on,by C,as Sasuke was able to freely control the shape unlike Itachi.

They have similar powers,not the same,if it was the same then their Susano'os wouldn't he entirely different.Madara and Izuna may have had the same set of MS powers too because they are brothers.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

This guy is mad and blind.

Current naruto > Sasuke.

If naruto can stomp Ancestor of all chakra then he can also solo foddersuke

Not even mad, just letting you know the possibility. Did anyone think that Naruto with Summoning Jutsu, Rasengan, Kyuubi falls to Sasuke at VOTE? A lot are still shaking their heads at it, I'm just letting you know the reason.

 

[Sharingan King]

Sasuke didn't get his MS powers from Itachi.

Sasuke didn't recieve Totsuka and yata.

Sasuke can't use Tsukiyomi on the same level as Itachi.

Itachi was surprised that Sasuke awakened Susanoo.

Sasuke is superior at amaterasu.

Sasuke can use enton and extinguish amaterasu at will while Itachi cannot.

Sasuke susanoo uses arrows while Itachi uses totsuka.

Why do people think that Obito's statement was accurate when it has been proven inaccurate. Just because Obito said it doesn't make it true.

Obito said he was Madara. This has been proven false.

Sasuke didn't recieve his MS powers from Itachi. This has been proven true.

 

[BLAZE]

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi seemed like Itachi's powers, yeah. That's not selective reading.

Most of his powers are based off of Itachi since those include Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Susanoo is obviously something that can be awakened regardless of the brother ties.

Sasuke has Tsukuyomi
isn't his second eye power Enton:kagatsuchi

 

[WalksInShadows]

i don't think Sasuke is getting trolled as opposed to Sasuke's overall relevance to the story has declined every since he heard Hashirama's tale. The biggest part of his relevancy lied in the blanks of his past getting filled in, whether it had something to do with him directly or indirectly. Either not enough thought was put into Sasuke's character after that, or the war was simply always about Naruto taking the next step in being the person he was prophesied to become and Hashirama's story was simply putting the finality on Sasuke's overall relevancy.

Why do people deny its 4-0. I havent. Said saduke >nardo or vica versa bruh. Sure if naruto solos sasuke now

if miniscule moments of getting 1-upped counts as victories, then Sasuke is not 4-0.

 

[Romy9]

It wasn't awakened.Sasuke set his Amaterasu in Sasuke specifically so it would activate when Sasuke saw Tobi's Sharingan.Notice that Sasuke's eye takes shape of Itachi's Mangekyo and the attack launches,then his eyes go back to normal.

After that Sasuke's eye never took the shape of Itachis until he got the EMS.When Sasuke used Amaterasu against Bee and at the Summit,it was with his own Mangeko,hence not Itachi's Mangekyo shape.

Also Sasuke's Amaterasu is better than Itachi's which was noted on,by C,as Sasuke was able to freely control the shape unlike Itachi.

They have similar powers,not the same,if it was the same then their Susano'os wouldn't he entirely different.Madara and Izuna may have had the same set of MS powers too because they are brothers.

Yeah, and that happened before Sasuke awakened his Mangekyou.

It doesn't have to take shape of Itachi's Mangekyou to be influenced by his powers. He did implant his Amaterasu into Sasuke before gaining Mangekyou.

Yes it is, which is why I stated that he improved it.

Susanoo is a case on its own. Sasuke used Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, both powers which Itachi had. One was better than the other, but the influence of Itachi is apparent.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Not even mad, just letting you know the possibility. Did anyone think that Naruto with Summoning Jutsu, Rasengan, Kyuubi falls to Sasuke at VOTE? A lot are still shaking their heads at it, I'm just letting you know the reason.

What you said was interesting and i see truth within it.Although Sasuke hasn't. Fought Pain so we don't know if he would have had a good chance against him like Naruto did.Other than that,they mostly faced the same Main antagonist except Kakazu,and Sasuke did a worlds Better against Orochimaru than Naruto did.

i disagree Spacey is cool.She nvr insults sasuke fanbase :|
and Naruto is one my fav char too[i like sasuke more]

I thought Spacey was a guy.Anyway he or she is biased and its obvoius.He or she has disregarsed Sasuke's win at the Final Valley and said Sasuke won cause of plot, - Naruto didn't even summon Gamabunta.

Apparently he or she wants a Bigass Gigantic Toad to fight Naruto's battles for him,Also,he or she has made excuses at Sasukes Neg Diff win at the Academy saying Sasuke had training from his family while Naruto was alone.

Thats a weak excuse.So now we're suppused to ignore Sasukes hard work at becoming stronger and being able to kick every other kids ass cause he had training from his family and Naruto didn't? Besides they were both students at the acedemy where they were learning and traning there every day.Naruto should of been paying attention in class,asking other students for help and teachers.Naruto not doing this shouldn't he an excuse as to why he lost.

She or he nitpicks at whatever facts she or he deson't like and makes weak excuses.

 

[QdonEms]

Naruto worked for his every power-up

Naruto learnt SM by training.
Naruto learnt KCM by training.
Naruto learnt BM by proving to kurama that he cares about tailed beasts and naruto tried to save Tailed beasts
Naruto learnt BSM by combining his SM with BM
Naruto has received Rikodou mode after saving every tailed beast's ass from juubito.

In short, Naruto worked for his every power-up.

Sasuke learnt Chidori by training.
Sasuke has received CM without any effort in fact oro gifted him that power.
Sasuke has received MS and amaterasu without any effort in fact itachi implanted his powers within him
Sasuke has received EMS from itachi and Obito implanted those eyes within him otherwise he would be blind.

Sasuke has received Rinnegan from kabuto just because itachi changed Kabuto otherwise he wouldn't get that Rinnegan.In fact sasuke would be dead if kabuto didn't save him.

Naruto spared obito's life after extracting Tailed beasts and obito saved naruto in return So that was also a earned power U_U

You earned this neg

 

[BLAZE]

I thought Spacey was a guy.Anyway he or she is biased and its obvoius.He or she has disregarsed Sasuke's win at the Final Valley and said Sasuke won cause of plot, - Naruto didn't even summon Gamabunta.

Apparently he or she wants a Bigass Gigantic Toad to fight Naruto's battles for him,Also,he or she has made excuses at Sasukes Neg Diff win at the Academy saying Sasuke had training from his family while Naruto was alone.

Thats a weak excuse.So now we're suppused to ignore Sasukes hard work at becoming stronger and being able to kick every other kids ass cause he had training from his family and Naruto didn't? Besides they were both students at the acedemy where they were learning and traning there every day.Naruto should of been paying attention in class,asking other students for help and teachers.Naruto not doing this shouldn't he an excuse as to why he lost.

She or he nitpicks at whatever facts she or he deson't like and makes weak excuses.

Does it even matter?

those r her opinion like everyone has their :|
U r biasely saying dat last line.U just don't how troublesome some Sasuke fans can be tbh

 

[Owl]

Ya' do remember hte Indra path got shit easy right? the other path had to work.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Who cares if Naruto is stronger? Sasuke is cooler than him and had better presence!

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Yeah, and that happened before Sasuke awakened his Mangekyou.

It doesn't have to take shape of Itachi's Mangekyou to be influenced by his powers. He did implant his Amaterasu into Sasuke before gaining Mangekyou.

Yes it is, which is why I stated that he improved it.

Susanoo is a case on its own. Sasuke used Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, both powers which Itachi had. One was better than the other, but the influence of Itachi is apparent.

If Itachi had such influence than wouldn't Sasuke's Tsukuyomi be powerful where as his Amaterasu is weak? That would be compatible with Itachi.The Amaterasu Sasuke implanted into Sasuke was a one time thing which would activate only from seeing Tobi's Sharingan.Madara did the same thing with Izanagi,he had it set and Activate after a certain amount of time.KA was very similar,it activated from seeing Itachis eyes.


Now why is it that Uchihas can gain the EMS from gaining their siblings eyes whereas it wouldn't work with anothers? Because they are compatable.Itachi and Sasuke have the same MS techniques cause they are brothers.It was probablt the same for Madara and Izuna.

Why disregard Susano'o - is it because those facts don't support your version of the story? You agreed that Sasuke got all Itachis eye techniques but since i pionted out how their Susano'os are completely different you know say Susano'o is a case on its own?

Didn't you agree that Itachi gave ALL his eye techniques to Sasuke right before he died? Then why deos Susano'o suddenly not count lol?

Ya' do remember hte Indra path got shit easy right? the other path had to work.

Being naturally smart deosn't mean you automatically know how to do everything with ease.Sasuke and Madara obvoisly worked hard,and trained.

Does it even matter?

those r her opinion like everyone has their :|
U r biasely saying dat last line.U just don't how troublesome some Sasuke fans can be tbh

1st bold - i only said that cause you called her a girl,seemingly in response to me calling her a guy.

2nd bold.Im not biasly saying that.Me and her have talked through PM about the prevois Naruto Vs Sasuke battles and that is what. Shes said.And those are weak excuses.

Sasuke win didn't count because he trained whereas Naruto didn't? Lol

Then when it comes to the Kaguya battle she pionts out that Sasuke didn't match Kaguya like Naruto did but leaves out how Sasuke deosn't have Bijuus loading him up with chakra. Nitpicking at facts,makes excuses and leaves out things that support Sasuke,so she can biasly go against him.

You earned this neg

Lol indeed.He forgets or deosn't choose to awknowledge that Sasuke sparred Kabuto's life after he beat Orochimaru.Sasuke saved Naruto and the others from the Infinite Tsukuyomi which allowed Naruto to even have a chance at saving Obito,and he would rather believe that Sasuke got the Rinnegan from Jugo rather than the Sage Of Six Paths giving Sasuke half his power.lol Jugo>Hagaromo.Plus the CM also negatively affected Sasuke and he had to Master it,in order to control its powers.

 

[Romy9]

If Itachi had such influence than wouldn't Sasuke's Tsukuyomi be powerful where as his Amaterasu is weak? That would be compatible with Itachi.The Amaterasu Sasuke implanted into Sasuke was a one time thing which would activate only from seeing Tobi's Sharingan.Madara did the same thing with Izanagi,he had it set and Activate after a certain amount of time.KA was very similar,it activated from seeing Itachis eyes.


Now why is it that Uchihas can gain the EMS from gaining their siblings eyes whereas it wouldn't work with anothers? Because they are compatable.Itachi and Sasuke have the same MS techniques cause they are brothers.It was probablt the same for Madara and Izuna.

Why disregard Susano'o - is it because those facts don't support your version of the story? You agreed that Sasuke got all Itachis eye techniques but since i pionted out how their Susano'os are completely different you know say Susano'o is a case on its own?

Didn't you agree that Itachi gave ALL his eye techniques to Sasuke right before he died? Then why deos Susano'o suddenly not count lol?

That's not how it goes. Itachi was a Genjutsu specialist whereas Sasuke is a Ninjutsu specialist. It's logical Sasuke would be weaker in Genjutsu and Itachi in Ninjutsu.

I don't think so. But you could have that opinion. Itachi programmed his Amaterasu into Sasuke even before he gained Mangekyou Sharingan.

No, not really. It would be weird if Sasuke doesn't have his own power which is attainable through one's own means. He is Indra's successor, after all. While Susanoo is achievable by every major Uchiha we've been introduced, Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu have only been used by Itachi and Sasuke. That's why I disregarded Susanoo. That should be obvious.

I see you're gonna stick to my seeming error to hold your own in a debate. I'll humor you and say I made a mistake, but there are still 2 out 3 things that support my ground.

 

[dummyacct098]

Many butthurt Sasugay fan here. It's just an anime character. No life kiddos. Crybaby. Sasugay fan praising him, arguing for him looks stupid. Get a life homo.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

That's not how it goes. Itachi was a Genjutsu specialist whereas Sasuke is a Ninjutsu specialist. It's logical Sasuke would be weaker in Genjutsu and Itachi in Ninjutsu.

I don't think so. But you could have that opinion. Itachi programmed his Amaterasu into Sasuke even before he gained Mangekyou Sharingan.

No, not really. It would be weird if Sasuke doesn't have his own power which is attainable through one's own means. He is Indra's successor, after all. While Susanoo is achievable by every major Uchiha we've been introduced, Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu have only been used by Itachi and Sasuke. That's why I disregarded Susanoo. That should be obvious.

I see you're gonna stick to my seeming error to hold your own in a debate. I'll humor you and say I made a mistake, but there are still 2 out 3 things that support my ground.

You agreed that Itachi gave Sasuke all his eye techniques and continue to say he gave him Amatersu and Tsukuyomi.But tell me,if Itachi gave Sasuke his eye techniques and Sasuke didn't awaken them on his own then why would Itachi not give him Susano'o? Why would he just give him his Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi?and leave out Susano'o?

You know you can't say he gave him Susano'o cause their Susano'os are completely different,but you can try to pass of Amaterasu cause they look the same and Tsukuyomi cause its Genjutsu and deosn't have an appearence.Plus other Uchihas have been shown to have it too,so it deosn't support your piont.

You're changing up the story to support your view.Facts are shown to you and said and you twist them up.

 

[Itachi Edo]

Weak from when? Part 1:
he easily took out a Jounin, (wasn't that Mizuki's rank?)
Stood up to Zabuza when the other members of his team were too afraid, hell he made the first move.
Taked Haku, though I give Sasuke credit for this.
Kept up with Orochimaru, though Sasuke did better during their sparring match
Defeated Neji, someone close to Sasuke's level
Defeated a fully powered Garra, who is a tailed beast host.

That's not all of part 1. Naruto was a typical Shonen main character, crazy potential and once he reached it he became way over powered.