Why FTG can be countered ( I'll explain why ) AND why Madara reacted to Minato.

[Xlad]

Well of course. FTG in the end is just a Space/Time ninjutsu, which by definition uses Space/Time to teleport. None of those techs are actually "instant", which is why user such as Sasuke, Minato, and such still have to land a hit on their opponents.

 

[Madarauchiwa]

So do you agree with what I've said ? I understand half of your posts to be honest, no bash tho but thats not my first language. So obviously Minato master ftg but doesnt have enough striking speed to arm serious opponents like your images show?



It was SM Minato though.

him being in sage mode just makes it a bigger feat for madara but it doesn't change the situation. minato is fast and his ftg is faster than madara but his striking speed and reaction time aren't on par. he just wasn't quick enough

 

[xxSAGExx]

Madara knew Minato was going to attack, Minato's kunai was throw to Madara's feet and as Madara said earlier to Tobirama, he knows the fighting style of a FTG user as he seen Tobirama fight many times and seen him kill Izuna using the same strategy. So it wasn't just Madara's speed, sensory, and Rinnegan but his experiences and knowledge of the FTG fighting style that he gained in his time of constant war.

Also you left out the fact that Minato was an Edo Tensei so his base stats would all be lower than alive Minato who had the speed to do what he did to Obito and A. So you're comparing a Minato with his full stats to one with lower stats. Also Kishi made Edo Minato attack in a way that he would get countered, why have Minato teleport with his hand back like that and appear in front of Madara? We seen Minato FTG when his attack was in mid attack or appear in a spot that makes his opponent unable to react in time. Minato and Tobirama shown that they could appear up to a couple of feet from their mark, Edo Minato's kunai was at Madara's feet yet he didn't appear from behind him with his arm in a position of mid attack.

 

[Nagi]

Sage Mode = The user's physical strength, speed, stamina, reflexes, perception and durability are dramatically enhanced.

Minato was in Sage mode and his striking speed still wasn't fast enough. He couldn't even dodge Madara's swing in that moment either. He was in sage mode!! Minato's speed and reflexes was push beyond human limit and he still got shitted on.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

how to simplify this is that ftg is instant however the users attack is not instant.

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

him being in sage mode just makes it a bigger feat for madara but it doesn't change the situation. minato is fast and his ftg is faster than madara but his striking speed and reaction time aren't on par. he just wasn't quick enough

Yes it does, it only shows the gap between them . SM allow sensing , Minato couldnt react to Madara's attacks and strikes , he couldn't even move and dodge it by one inch .

 

[Thundergod123]

So do you agree with what I've said ? I understand half of your posts to be honest, no bash tho but thats not my first language. So obviously Minato master ftg but doesnt have enough striking speed to arm serious opponents like your images show?



It was SM Minato though.

That's right. You can look at the pics above when Minato was about to strike Obito. The same thing when Tobirama did against Madara. Madara used his sensor abilities, but that's not all he was unprepared, even though he was able to counter Minato's attack ahead. However, as I said earlier, FTG cannot be countered, unless the user teleport against you with an attack, then you can counter it, it doesn't really matter who you are, you can beat Minato or Tobirama.

 

[YellowFang]

Madara knew Minato was going to attack, Minato's kunai was throw to Madara's feet and as Madara said earlier to Tobirama, he knows the fighting style of a FTG user as he seen Tobirama fight many times and seen him kill Izuna using the same strategy. So it wasn't just Madara's speed, sensory, and Rinnegan but his experiences and knowledge of the FTG fighting style that he gained in his time of constant war.

Doesn't help in case of Minato, he's simply far better at using FTG as his primary fighting style...
Only things are Madara's Reflexes and Striking speed enhanced by the Rikudo chakra...

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Doesn't help in case of Minato, he's simply far better at using FTG as his primary fighting style...
Only things are Madara's Reflexes and Striking speed enhanced by the Rikudo chakra...

I did not know the Rikudo chakra you are talking about enhanced reflexes, I'd like to know your source for that.

 

[YellowFang]

That's right. You can look at the pics above when Minato was about to strike Obito. The same thing when Tobirama did against Madara. Madara used his sensor abilities, but that's not all he was unprepared, even though he was able to counter Minato's attack ahead. However, as I said earlier, FTG cannot be countered, unless the user teleport against you with an attack, then you can counter it, it doesn't really matter who you are, you can beat Minato or Tobirama.

It matters, only those with faster striking speed can counter the situation... And there are not many in NV capable of doing so...

 

[Thundergod123]

Madara knew Minato was going to attack, Minato's kunai was throw to Madara's feet and as Madara said earlier to Tobirama, he knows the fighting style of a FTG user as he seen Tobirama fight many times and seen him kill Izuna using the same strategy. So it wasn't just Madara's speed, sensory, and Rinnegan but his experiences and knowledge of the FTG fighting style that he gained in his time of constant war.

Also you left out the fact that Minato was an Edo Tensei so his base stats would all be lower than alive Minato who had the speed to do what he did to Obito and A. So you're comparing a Minato with his full stats to one with lower stats. Also Kishi made Edo Minato attack in a way that he would get countered, why have Minato teleport with his hand back like that and appear in front of Madara? We seen Minato FTG when his attack was in mid attack or appear in a spot that makes his opponent unable to react in time. Minato and Tobirama shown that they could appear up to a couple of feet from their mark, Edo Minato's kunai was at Madara's feet yet he didn't appear from behind him with his arm in a position of mid attack.

Good explanations... But you have to remember that when Tobirama teleported above Madara? Madara actually countered the user, not FTG btw. Minato can be countered if his attack aren't fast enough. It is not just about reaction time, but it is actually about the attack.

 

[VongolaX]

Take one good look at your scan....

The scan of Lee throwing the ftg Kunai to teleport the Gudodama is nothing to get crazy about.

Even naruto blitzed and kicked away a Gudodama the same way Minato intercepted the first time.

In the Obito vs minato fight, read what minato said...

It was all up to who strikes first, meaning who activates their FTG first.

Reaching to touch minato is not kamui speed (this one idiot on the base swore it was), because Obito didn't even activate kamui when minato tagged him.

So that fight was on who activates who first, and Obito was a second slower to use his kamui.

Madara dodge Ftg from Tobirama too...

The reason why is because he wasn't marked.

So they couldn't instantly teleport behind his back or near him, only where the seal was located.

 

[Nagi]

It matters, only those with faster striking speed can counter the situation... And there are not many in NV capable of doing so...

Rock lee, mighty guy, raikage can counter it if they stay clam. Most of the time they're surprise when a person appear right in front of them and lose control of themselves. Madara didn't lose control of himself, which is number one reason why he was able to counter it.

 

[Thundergod123]

It matters, only those with faster striking speed can counter the situation... And there are not many in NV capable of doing so...

That's why you need both sensor skills and better attacks to counter FTG users when they attack you right ahead.

 

[YellowFang]

I did not know the Rikudo chakra you are talking about enhanced reflexes, I'd like to know your source for that.

Each one of Juubi's Jinchuriki and Share-holders of Rikudo chakra are shown wielding such power... It definitely enhances your basic attributes like speed, senses and striking...

 

[YellowFang]

Rock lee, mighty guy, raikage can counter it if they stay clam. Most of the time they're surprise when a person appear right in front of them and lose control of themselves. Madara didn't lose control of himself, which is number one reason why he was able to counter it.

They're humans and that's a common thing, you get surprised when you witness extra-ordinary things happening...

 

[mangenkyo]

Its the same thing that happened in minato vs ay fight.Minato knew where ay was coming from to attack him all minato had to do was be prepared and come up with a plan the same thing applies here,madara saw minatos ftg kunai land infornt of him basically all he had to do was wait since he already knew minato was coming

 

[Nagi]

They're humans and that's a common thing, you get surprised when you witness extra-ordinary things happening...

Madara is human, the people the 2nd hokage fought in the past are human. the group of ninjas are human that kill the 2nd hokage. them 2 brothers are human and nearly killed the 2nd hokage. They all know how to stay calm and keep their eyes wide open and focus for the 2nd hokage's striking speed.

 

[Thundergod123]

Its the same thing that happened in minato vs ay fight.Minato knew where ay was coming from to attack him all minato had to do was be prepared and come up with a plan the same thing applies here,madara saw minatos ftg kunai land infornt of him basically all he had to do was wait since he already knew minato was coming

We don't know for sure that Madara really knew that Minato was going to attack him, however it is kinda funny that someone like Rikudo Madara could not sense FTG near his foot, but that's not the point.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Good explanations... But you have to remember that when Tobirama teleported above Madara? Madara actually countered the user, not FTG btw. Minato can be countered if his attack aren't fast enough. It is not just about reaction time, but it is actually about the attack.

Oh I know that, I mean Madara knows how the FTG user will attack as he did with Tobirama by seeing Tobirama use FTG to get in close and strike his brother years ago. But I also think it's also that Kishi wanted Minato to fail since Minato could have appeared behind Madara as said above and he could have appeared with his attack mid used instead of his arm all the way back. Minato speed is lower as an Edo as well since all of an Edo stat is lower than when they are alive.

Look at the speed Edo Madara shown and the speed Madara after he was brought back alive speed. Alive Madara speed blitz SM Naruto and Sai while Naruto's clone was able to handle the Edo 3rd Raikage speed (sure it's lower than alive Raikage but their speed is still faster than a SM Naruto). So Edo Minato with his Sensory should have been able to sense Madara's moves and FTG to a different dirction by Madara which is all in Edo Minato's capabilities as we seen SM user able to dodge attacks faster than them as Kabuto also displayed.