Why FTG can be countered ( I'll explain why ) AND why Madara reacted to Minato.

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Thundergod123

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Well, as the title says.. FTG can be countered unless you are Juubi, HOWEVER I will explain why. Don't start saying that because Madara had one of the dangerous sensor with Hashirama's power and Rikudo's power, even though it is true. But everyone knows how FTG works, but what about Madara's reaction to FTG? But before I start explaining, then I have to make sure that we need to see what Minato was capable off. A lot of people here will just start reading the title and start with the comment, however please READ before making a comment.

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Look here. Well, Minato's reaction speed essentially is what made him Hokage. It's what allowed him to use Hiraishin so effectively and gave him the name The Konoha's Yellow Flash. Remember his fight with Obito, like this pics above? He allowed Obito to touch him and in the instant, but Obito was realizing that Minato had already used Hiraishin and smashed a Rasengan into Obito. So it's no wonder why Minato's reaction speed surpasses most of shinobis out there.


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Okay, we know that Minato is faster than Ay or simply the fastest shinobi who has ever lived. Here, you can see ay tried to use his top speed to attack Minato, however it seems Minato was the one to react first before Ay started his attack.

Someone here will probably ask why Minato did not react to Madara's staff and his kick? Well, before that I want to explain why.


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People will somehow claim that Guy is faster than Minato's reaction speed? Well, just take a good look on this pics.
Minato has superior reaction speeds than Guy
Guy has superior raw speed
S/T is another story

It's not hard to understand. The issue with this statement is that Guy wasn't in on the plan. Minato made it after he started his attack. Minato intercepted Madara's attack and vanished, and Guy was moving faster by getting closer between the two panels. Minato managed to get in and out of Gai's way while he was moving at 8 gates speed.


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Here you can see Madara predicted Minato's movements, but did he reacted to FTG? Madara was also wide open for Minato to strike.


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Well, take a good look at this. Do you notice something here? Before Minato teleported above Obito, he tried to absorb his sensei into Kamui world, but as seen here Obito didn't react to FTG, however can you counter it when someone is above you or not?


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Here, you can see Madara did cut Minato's arm before Minato was ready to hit him with a Senjutsu Rasengan. So, we're talking about the speed it takes for Minato to initiate Hiraishin basically. So, you guys may ask how Madara was able to counter Minato?
Even though, people will just say Madara was just faster than him because he got the power from Juubi, Hashirama's Sage Mode and Rinnegan, It's true however...

The thing about Goken speeds and dojutsu, the dojutsu can perceive them usually, but regardless of whether or not the dojutsu user can see it, if their body isn't fast enough to react, then it's meaningless. Nothing displayed yet is faster than Hiraishin no jutsu as used by Minato. But when Minato is outside of Hiraishin he is vulnerable. However his ability to trigger Hiraishin is unsurpassed. Madara wouldn't react faster than that, same as Obito back then.

That is him instantly teleporting to a position and instantly teleporting away from it. Yup, he can teleport faster than Guy could move, but that's not reaction speed. That's just the nature of having FTG, it is instant which can never be outpaced or countered. So basically, Minato was above Obito, then you already know you can counter before he attacks you directly from nowhere.

One more thing, it is not FTG as said, but that's the attack which depends on if you are able to hit or not. Like Sasuke's attack had more range to cut Madara in half because he used his sword as a weapon not his Shunshin, rather than Minato who came with a Senjutsu Rasengan. You can't really counter or react to FTG, but you can actually counter the user who ATTACKS the opponent ahead. That is the point of this thread.

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Minato couldn't react to Madara's assault. Obito did. You don't have to be a Juubi Jin to react at that speed.
 

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Ain't FTG speed = kamui speed?
 

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I dont really understand your point though. Madara obviously has better reaction and striking feats, as he fodderized ftg with or without the juubi . Do you imply Minato/Tobirama are too weak to use ftg as they do not have a great striking speed? Well, anybody with a better one , like Madara , would have been better with it and would have shown ftg's real potential and prowess.
 

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this tread is to emabrace lord madara

Madara did that because of this skill and you tell your self how can rasengan hurt madara how it wont even hurt madara if hit. Madara could have remained still
 

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Madara countered it because his reaction time was not faster than FTG, it was faster than the time it would have taken for minato to hit him with the rasengan. see how is arm is outstretched in that panel where he teleports to madara? that small interval of time for him to move his arm is probably more than enough for a JJ to take care of based on what weve seen.
 

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I dont really understand your point though. Madara obviously has better reaction and striking feats, as he fodderized ftg with or without the juubi . Do you imply Minato/Tobirama are too weak to use ftg as they do not have a great striking speed? Well, anybody with a better one , like Madara , would have been better with it and would have shown ftg's real potential and prowess.

The fact is when Minato teleports which is instant makes his attack like Rasengan for not being fast enough like his own FTG, as you can see from my first pics. You can't really challenge Minato with speed movement which is also difficult to catch, however when Minato aims for a strike by using FTG then he is vulnerable as you can see when he was about to strike Madara, but in second Madara sensed him and quickly cutted his arm. Everyone can counter Minato when he is about to teleport against you, even though you also need sensing abilities to counter him.
 

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just put it this way. minatos base speed and reaction time are slower than madaras. his ftg might have been able to get him in close and keep him moving but when it comes to what matters (actually hitting the opponent) minato isn't faster than madara. same thing happened with bee. minato was able to place a seal on him and teleport immediately to his location but his reaction time is equal to bees if not a tad bit slower because bee was able to put one of his swords right near minatos stomach and both would have died
 

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this tread is to emabrace lord madara

Madara did that because of this skill and you tell your self how can rasengan hurt madara how it wont even hurt madara if hit. Madara could have remained still

Dude, read my post, I am not talking about versus thread, this thread was about the nature of using FTG.
 

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Madara wasn't faster than the technique, he was faster than minato's striking speed, no matter who you are, if you have a faster striking speed and reaction than the s/t user, you can counter it
 

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Madara countered it because his reaction time was not faster than FTG, it was faster than the time it would have taken for minato to hit him with the rasengan. see how is arm is outstretched in that panel where he teleports to madara? that small interval of time for him to move his arm is probably more than enough for a JJ to take care of based on what weve seen.

That's what I meant, lel... You can't react to FTG, but you can counter the user who attacks you ahead.
 

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just put it this way. minatos base speed and reaction time are slower than madaras. his ftg might have been able to get him in close and keep him moving but when it comes to what matters (actually hitting the opponent) minato isn't faster than madara. same thing happened with bee. minato was able to place a seal on him and teleport immediately to his location but his reaction time is equal to bees if not a tad bit slower because bee was able to put one of his swords right near minatos stomach and both would have died

That is what I am trying to tell you guys with this post, Minato's attacks aren't fast enough.
 

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lord madara soloed minato cause he is GOD, simply put he rustled minatos jimmies neg diff
 

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Madara wasn't faster than the technique, he was faster than minato's striking speed, no matter who you are, if you have a faster striking speed and reaction than the s/t user, you can counter it

Exactly, and you can't really catch the user unless he/she attacks you ahead, THEN you can counter the attack.
 

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Sure Minato's reaction time is fast as hell....But in the particular instance you are talking about, Juubi Madara's reaction time was simply faster. So no Madara isn't faster than FTG but faster than Minato's reaction speed. There really isn't any over complitacted theory needed to explain this. In this rare instance Minato simply wasn't fast enough.
 

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The fact is when Minato teleports which is instant makes his attack like Rasengan for not being fast enough like his own FTG, as you can see from my first pics. You can't really challenge Minato with speed movement which is also difficult to catch, however when Minato aims for a strike by using FTG then he is vulnerable as you can see when he was about to strike Madara, but in second Madara sensed him and quickly cutted his arm. Everyone can counter Minato when he is about to teleport against you, even though you also need sensing abilities to counter him.

So do you agree with what I've said ? I understand half of your posts to be honest, no bash tho but thats not my first language. So obviously Minato master ftg but doesnt have enough striking speed to arm serious opponents like your images show?

just put it this way. minatos base speed and reaction time are slower than madaras. his ftg might have been able to get him in close and keep him moving but when it comes to what matters (actually hitting the opponent) minato isn't faster than madara. same thing happened with bee. minato was able to place a seal on him and teleport immediately to his location but his reaction time is equal to bees if not a tad bit slower because bee was able to put one of his swords right near minatos stomach and both would have died

It was SM Minato though.
 

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Sure Minato's reaction time is fast as hell....But in the particular instance you are talking about, Juubi Madara's reaction time was simply faster. So no Madara isn't faster than FTG but faster than Minato's reaction speed. There really isn't any over complitacted theory needed to explain this. In this rare instance Minato simply wasn't fast enough.

As I said earlier, it was not just about reaction time, but it was more about striking speed. When Minato attacks you, then you can counter him, but when he escapes you cannot catch him.
 

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Let me clear this up in few points...

1- FTG isn't an attack... It's a transportation medium which utilizes almost no time...
2- To do a successful attack using FTG, one must have seriously fast striking speed with compatible or more reflexes...
3- Only people shown to possess both attributes i.e. Striking speed and Reflexes; better than Minato are those with the Rikudo chakra...
4- Hence, FTG can't be countered if the above requirements aren't met...

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Madara reacted to FTG by swiftly cutting off Minato's arm, similar to what Obito did earlier... Both have superior striking speed and Rikudo chakra in common...
Later, Sasuke displayed a Rikudo-lvl striking speed when he bisected Madara in half[arguable] and even later Naruto demonstrated the fastest striking so far in the series by chopping off Kaguya's arm in a single leap...

Hence, only those who're provided with Rikudo chakra are shown capable of countering FTG...
 
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