[Discussion] Reason why Teach is the final villain and not Akainu

[Bogard]

1- EOS Zoro should mid diff admirals

Admirals are portrayed to be relatively close in strength(Kuzan and Akainu had a 10days equal battle for example), yet Kizaru couldn't get the upper hand on a old Rayleigh coming out of decades of inactivity as a pirate(he said it has been a while he held a sword). Rayleigh also implied he could handle Kizaru and his back-ups together if he was younger and we know EOS Zoro will surpass Prime Rayleigh, so we have:

Prime Rayleigh > Kizaru high difficulty
Kizaru<=Kuzan=Akainu
EOS Zoro > Prime Rayleigh high difficulty
-> EOS Zoro > Kizaru/Kuzan/Akainu mid difficulty

2- EOS Luffy should low diff admirals

Prime Rayleigh > Kizaru high difficulty
Kizaru<=Kuzan=Akainu
Prime Whitebeard > Prime Rayleigh high difficulty
-> Prime Whitebeard > Kizaru/Kuzan/Akainu mid difficulty

Prime Whitebeard<=Roger<EOS Luffy
-> EOS Luffy > Kizaru/Kuzan/Akainu low difficulty

So how can Akainu be final villain if by power-scaling EOS Luffy and EOS Zoro should respectively low and mid diff him? And it's not even as if Akainu had a great growth rate(he is pretty much in his prime: 55years old with decades mastery over his sole DF)

Teach on the other side has much more potential. He should surpass Prime Whitebeard with the gura gura fruit and be a greater opponent for Luffy

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

WRONG. The Gorosei are the FV.

 

[Mega Man]

Yeah I hope so.

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[Tomato God]

WRONG. The Gorosei are the FV.

This. The gorosei will be the only people able to keep up with the straw hats.

Honestly EOS all the straw hats should be able to mid diff an admiral. The only ones able to keep up should be the gorosei turned prime by mrs bonney.

Teach aint shit.

 

[Red Swag]

imo akainu is the final. luffy didnt even think about bb when jimbei was telling the news.

i can see bb as an ally to be honest. he aint that bad.

 

[xXMadaraUchiaXx]

garp = roger.

marines have the potenzial to climb on yonko lvl like garp for example and this judt with monster haki dont underrate them

 

[Apêx1]

Agreed to an extent. None of the admirals should be able to pose a threat to Luffy or Zoro at the end of the story. I don't know about Luffy surpassing Roger, but he will be on par with him for sure, at the very least. Zoro and Luffy have shown some of the most insane growth rates, and Zoro's recent feats lead me to believe he will be superior to Mihawk give or take a year's time. Luffy will likely show what he's been hiding, or his overall underrating against Doflamingo. BB is the only worthy FV, since he can do things no other would be capable of with his two DF's.

garp = roger.

marines have the potenzial to climb on yonko lvl like garp for example and this judt with monster haki dont underrate them

Incorrect, Garp and Sengoku were required to subdue Rogers. It is likely the only reason Roger never got into an all out fight was because he didn't want to risk getting caught by several admiral reinforcements.

 

[Olorin]

I don't think anyone in the OPV can low dif an admiral, that's just stupid

the admirals are ridiculously underrated, in teh fight between Akainu and WB it was WB who ended up in a worse shape than Akainu

and I am fairly certain Akainu is at least slightly stronger now

and I don't think there is this huge gap people expect between prime WB and old WB, by far the largest portion of his fighting power was coming from his insanely destructive DF, and DF doesn't lose power with age, in fact you become better at using it

Incorrect, Garp and Sengoku were required to subdue Rogers. It is likely the only reason Roger never got into an all out fight was because he didn't want to risk getting caught by several admiral reinforcements.

incorrect, it was Roger himself who saif that he and Garp nearly killed each other many times

 

[Kyo Nara]

if there skip time they will get new power to keep up with straw hats

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

imo akainu is the final. luffy didnt even think about bb when jimbei was telling the news.

i can see bb as an ally to be honest. he aint that bad.

Akainu is only Fleet Admiral level, he isn't going to EOS Luffy's (who will be >Roger) opponent. Sabo is more fit to fight Akainu EoS.

 

[Olorin]

but if you're talking about current admirals, i don't see why not. By power-scaling, it should be the case

Why?

Akainu did an amazing job against WB

and every other opponent they fought they just trolled around, they have 4 of the most haxxed fruits in existence and AFTER Akainu fought WB he single handedly pushed back every single pirate at MF, including the division commanders, until Shanks arrived ... AFTER he fought WB

the Admirals balance out the Yonko, together with the Sichibukai and marines they balance out the Yonko + their commanders +their crews

I think too many people are under the impression that Yonko are simply > Admiral

Kuzan showed us that despite the elemental disadvantage he was able ti battle Akainu for 10 days, Kizaru shouldn't be far behind, if at all, and Fujitora's fruit is simply ridiculous, imho the gravity fruit has greater potential in battle than even teh Gura Gura

1. Old WB was so strong, Akainu and Sengoku had to create a coward strategy to weaken him by using his comrade for a stab and it continuously weakened him during the rest of the war especially with the amount of sustained injuries and despite being ill, in a weakened body, he 2 shoted Akainu and continued fighting with the rest(including Teach). If he was healthy, without injuries, more power and better reaction, i can't even tell what he would have done to Akainu

2. Infact even for Garp, he had help from Sengoku to subdue Shiki who wasn't Prime Roger level. Sure he did say they killed each other multiple times but it may have happened when he wasn't in his prime. The portrayal through Shiki doesn't put him that high

1. it's called war, you use everything you can to gain teh upper hand because if you lose you will likely die and even worse, what you are fighting for will fail

and after WB ''2 shot'' Akainu Akainu got up and pushed back all the pirates at MF, after his fight with Akainu WB got killed by normal weaponry

it was shown very clearly that the WB pirates + their allies had absolutely no chance of defeating the Marines in the war

2. let's say an unmarked destroyer sails into the New York Bay, do you use a single destroyer to go take care of it or do you send in the entire fkin Navy in the nearby area?

 

[xXMadaraUchiaXx]

Agreed to an extent. None of the admirals should be able to pose a threat to Luffy or Zoro at the end of the story. I don't know about Luffy surpassing Roger, but he will be on par with him for sure, at the very least. Zoro and Luffy have shown some of the most insane growth rates, and Zoro's recent feats lead me to believe he will be superior to Mihawk give or take a year's time. Luffy will likely show what he's been hiding, or his overall underrating against Doflamingo. BB is the only worthy FV, since he can do things no other would be capable of with his two DF's.



Incorrect, Garp and Sengoku were required to subdue Rogers. It is likely the only reason Roger never got into an all out fight was because he didn't want to risk getting caught by several admiral
reinforcements.

we know garp he would just fight 1 vs 1

and roger would never hold back against garp it wouldnt be respectful. to dont fight serious against him.

 

[GamakichiTheUsurper]

1- EOS Zoro should mid diff admirals

Admirals are portrayed to be relatively close in strength(Kuzan and Akainu had a 10days equal battle for example), yet Kizaru couldn't get the upper hand on a old Rayleigh coming out of decades of inactivity as a pirate(he said it has been a while he held a sword). Rayleigh also implied he could handle Kizaru and his back-ups together if he was younger and we know EOS Zoro will surpass Prime Rayleigh, so we have:

Prime Rayleigh > Kizaru high difficulty
Kizaru<=Kuzan=Akainu
EOS Zoro > Prime Rayleigh high difficulty
-> EOS Zoro > Kizaru/Kuzan/Akainu mid difficulty

2- EOS Luffy should low diff admirals

Prime Rayleigh > Kizaru high difficulty
Kizaru<=Kuzan=Akainu
Prime Whitebeard > Prime Rayleigh high difficulty
-> Prime Whitebeard > Kizaru/Kuzan/Akainu mid difficulty

Prime Whitebeard<=Roger<EOS Luffy
-> EOS Luffy > Kizaru/Kuzan/Akainu low difficulty

So how can Akainu be final villain if by power-scaling EOS Luffy and EOS Zoro should respectively low and mid diff him? And it's not even as if Akainu had a great growth rate(he is pretty much in his prime: 55years old with decades mastery over his sole DF)

Teach on the other side has much more potential. He should surpass Prime Whitebeard with the gura gura fruit and be a greater opponent for Luffy

There is a flaw in those relations.


An old, ill, stabbed through the chest Whitebeard "low diffed" Aokiji (he didn't kill him because he didn't use Busoshoku Haki), so imagine what he would be able to do in his prime.

Prime Whitebeard was in a similar level (maybe a bit less... I don't know, but that is another discussion; so now let's say they were equal) to Roger. EOS Luffy will be equal (more or less...) to Roger. So Luffy would stomp an Admiral.

And thus, given that EOS Luffy would be on a fairly equal level to Whitebeard, then it is not logical to think that Blackbeard will ever be stronger than Whitebeard.

Why?

Akainu did an amazing job against WB

Against an ALMOST DEAD Whitebeard.

Old WB was so strong, Akainu and Sengoku had to create a coward strategy to weaken him by using his comrade for a stab and it continuously weakened him during the rest of the war especially with the amount of sustained injuries and despite being ill, in a weakened body, he 2 shoted Akainu and continued fighting with the rest(including Teach). If he was healthy, without injuries, more power and better reaction, i can't even tell what he would have done to Akainu

Exactly.

 

[Apêx1]

Chinjao foreshadowed that Luffy will surpass Roger and at the begin of the manga, Luffy said he will have the strongest crew


Depends on the admiral in question. Garp seemed to be an exception, but if you're talking about current admirals, i don't see why not. By power-scaling, it should be the case

True, it was foreshadowed, but I still have my doubts on what Luffy could possibly do to achieve such a thing. I don't see his DF having as much potential to accomplish such a notable feat, as of yet. His crew will probably be filled with a vastly above-Admiral level swordsman like Zoro. An approximately admiral level fighter like Sanji, and a Pirate King level fighter like Luffy. Jimbe would join to make the screw far stronger as well, maybe some of Ace's friends too. But then again, I don't see Luffy commanding a crew as large as, say, WB's, nor do I see him having the strongest crew with 10 members. It will likely just be a decently large crew constituent of near-admiral level fighters+ (bar Sogeekinnggg). How do you think he will achieve the 'strongest crew'?

 

[GamakichiTheUsurper]

True, it was foreshadowed, but I still have my doubts on what Luffy could possibly do to achieve such a thing. I don't see his DF having as much potential to accomplish such a notable feat, as of yet. His crew will probably be filled with a vastly above-Admiral level swordsman like Zoro. An approximately admiral level fighter like Sanji, and a Pirate King level fighter like Luffy. Jimbe would join to make the screw far stronger as well, maybe some of Ace's friends too. But then again, I don't see Luffy commanding a crew as large as, say, WB's, nor do I see him having the strongest crew with 10 members. It will likely just be a decently large crew constituent of near-admiral level fighters+ (bar Sogeekinnggg). How do you think he will achieve the 'strongest crew'?

This is a shōnen, so via just plot.

 

[Bogard]

1. it's called war, you use everything you can to gain teh upper hand because if you lose you will likely die and even worse, what you are fighting for will fail

and after WB ''2 shot'' Akainu Akainu got up and pushed back all the pirates at MF, after his fight with Akainu WB got killed by normal weaponry

it was shown very clearly that the WB pirates + their allies had absolutely no chance of defeating the Marines in the war

2. let's say an unmarked destroyer sails into the New York Bay, do you use a single destroyer to go take care of it or do you send in the entire fkin Navy in the nearby area?

1- Akainu only got back because WB didn't even cared about him. He was lying deep on the floor and any fodders could have killed him at that moment
2- But the fact remain that even together they couldn't subdue him easily, someone who isn't Prime Roger's level. Not to mention that old and sick whitebeard conserved the title of the strongest with Garp alive. Nothing implies Garp even in his prime was that strong

True, it was foreshadowed, but I still have my doubts on what Luffy could possibly do to achieve such a thing. I don't see his DF having as much potential to accomplish such a notable feat, as of yet. His crew will probably be filled with a vastly above-Admiral level swordsman like Zoro. An approximately admiral level fighter like Sanji, and a Pirate King level fighter like Luffy. Jimbe would join to make the screw far stronger as well, maybe some of Ace's friends too. But then again, I don't see Luffy commanding a crew as large as, say, WB's, nor do I see him having the strongest crew with 10 members. It will likely just be a decently large crew constituent of near-admiral level fighters+ (bar Sogeekinnggg). How do you think he will achieve the 'strongest crew'?

GodUsopp already has great followers in this arc and like Mihawk said in the war, Luffy has a special ability to make all his enemies turn into his friends everywhere he pass. I'm pretty sure by the end of the manga, Luffy will have a great load of companions and allies. Infact he already has fanboys like Bartolomeo. His crew is slowly and surely getting there. As for Luffy's potential with his DF, you never know. Who could have thought at the start of the manga that rubber could allow him to use gear second, gear third and all the other techniques? I have faith in Oda's creativity to find something suitable to him

 

[Apêx1]

This is a shōnen, so via just plot.

It was a question asking for his opinion. Everything in a manga is via plot, so your post had zero contribution whatsoever.

 

[Tomato God]

it was a question asking for his opinion. Everything in a manga is via plot, so your post had zero contribution whatsoever.

the power of plot is over nine thousand>

 

[GamakichiTheUsurper]

It was a question asking for his opinion. Everything in a manga is via plot, so your post had zero contribution whatsoever.

There is not a logical explanation to your question. It will just happen just because they are the super fashion generic shōnen protagonists (especially Luffy).

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Another instance of the Admirals being underrated, especially Sakazuki.
I think Luffy would be able to take on Sakzuki EoS but with extreme diff.

Saying that, I don't see how you could give us anything close to what will happen at the EoS, there is so much more to happen which will effect it.
For all we know Teach and Sakazuki could be dead by the end. Maybe a new character which hasn't been introduced yet will be the EoS villain for all we know. Look at when Dressrosa first started, people predicted how it would go down and tbh most predictions sounded extremely likely. I also remember that one guy making a thread around the time saying Sabo would show up in the arc and everyone ridiculing him. Now look what happened we had a new Admiral and Sabos return.
My point being all you posted above will most likely not happen at all the way you think or anybody else does.

Personally, I think the entirety of the World Government will be the villain, but it wouldn't surprise me if i'm wrong.