Edo Hiruzen and Danzo vs Kages

[RicardoA]

wider or longer wave?

I think both is plausible.

No classify. (I am joking) <-

Assuming Enma doesn't shape back to normal, once Hiruzen reaches the air, in time.

I can see that happening, but... that wouldn't solve the elders' problem. They would still have to deal with a golden desert.

I think the Kazekage combo would be especially interesting, not because they bring different jutsus to the table, but because they're essencially the same with some minor differences. This would allow them to maximise all of their strenghts to the utmost level at the same time, and because they're so well rounded this would be even better.
For example, this would allow one to fully focus on the defense (making it extremely hard to surprise or reach them), while the other could charge forward w/o worrying about his back. Or if they choose to they can put everything they've got into the offense or defense w/o worrying about getting overwpowered.
The potencial is quite amazing imo.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

@bold, explain

Keep in mind we are comparing it to a standard FRS.

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@underline, yes you doubt it is harder than susano'o just like i doubt danzo's fuuton has more cutting power as FRS. It's really just a guess. If you include Hiruzen's fuuton then I think the Raikage cannot tank it.

We can agree to disagree we feat comparison support me anyway.

Ei + 3rd Raiakge win.

Neither Danzō nor Hiruzen can react to Ei's V2. They have what it takes to put the Raikage down, I will give the old geezers that, but the speed will be too much for them.

They dont start off with full speed unless they are facing a character that is known for their speed. I even added reasonable distance so that arugment would not be use to end the match. Izanagi helps deal with their speed as surprise>speed. Hiruzen excellent defense via diamond staff isn't getting himself owned either,

Ōnoki + Mū win.

Ōnoki merely needs to touch Hiruzen to take him out of the equation. Given Ōnoki's insane speed and agility in flight, I don't see Hiruzen avoiding it. From there, its as simple as outlasting Danzō for 10min, which ain't hard.

Hiruzen is a sensor and the fact that he ALMOST react to Juubito (which is better then reacting at all) shows Onoki is going to have a hard time catching him. Adding the fact that, that the Raiton stream ends him from using Jinton too. Muu gets smelled out. Danzo can also use Sharingan Genjutsu making this even harder for this team match up

Ei + Ōnoki win:

Ei bltizes them even easier then he could before with Ōnoki on his back.

By the team they decide to combine their forces Hiruzen and Danzo would already have their defenses ready to tank them

Gaara + Ei win:

Ei blitz once again in V2. Gaara brings the defence against the Ninjutsu if needed.

Same as above. Sand defence gets shatter real easy by Hiruzen Raiton and Danzo Futon. Too much to write.

Gaara + Ōnoki win:

Ōnoki does the same thing to Hiruzen as I mentioned previously, Gaara is support.

Same as above. There alot to write and I doubt you are interested in defending all your points as I am not that interested to address every single match up from your points.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

They dont start off with full speed unless they are facing a character that is known for their speed. I even added reasonable distance so that arugment would not be use to end the match. Izanagi helps deal with their speed as surprise>speed. Hiruzen excellent defense via diamond staff isn't getting himself owned either.

Ei will start off in V1. 3rd Raikage would start in base. Izanagi merely lets Danzō survive their speed, he won't actually be dealing with it. They easily dodge any of his attacks. Once Hiruzen brings out his large AoE Ninjutsu, Ei will go V2 and the 3rd Raikage will as well, Hirzuen gets blitzed from there and they simply attack Danzō for how many more minutes he has left until Izanagi runs out.

Hiruzen is a sensor and the fact that he ALMOST react to Juubito (which is better then reacting at all) shows Onoki is going to have a hard time catching him. Adding the fact that, that the Raiton stream ends him from using Jinton too. Muu gets smelled out. Danzo can also use Sharingan Genjutsu making this even harder for this team match up

Hiruzen is not a sensor, he has a acute sense of smell though. Hiruzen almost reacted to Juubito's Onmyoudon, he did not actually react to his Shunshin. Ōnoki can cope with Sharingan Genjutsu quiet well, not that Danzō has shown any Genjutsu aside from KA.

By the team they decide to combine their forces Hiruzen and Danzo would already have their defenses ready to tank them

Ōnoki made lighter the second after he was healed by Tsunade. Agrivated rock punch is like a beam, it hits Hiruzen even if he hides in Enma cage, and hiding in the cage is not exactly going to give him the win. If he hides in Enma, Jinton destroys him as well.

Same as above. Sand defence gets shatter real easy by Hiruzen Raiton and Danzo Futon. Too much to write.

A Raiton stream is not going through Gaara's defence. It took Chidori to pierce through Chunin Exams Gaara's sand. Futon won't be doing anything either unless its enhanced by Baku. But Ei cuts Baku down the second its summoned.

Same as above. There alot to write and I doubt you are interested in defending all your points as I am not that interested to address every single match up from your points.

If we keep it to a simple phrase or two for each point, I don't mind.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ei will start off in V1. 3rd Raikage would start in base. Izanagi merely lets Danzō survive their speed, he won't actually be dealing with it. They easily dodge any of his attacks. Once Hiruzen brings out his large AoE Ninjutsu, Ei will go V2 and the 3rd Raikage will as well, Hirzuen gets blitzed from there and they simply attack Danzō for how many more minutes he has left until Izanagi runs out.

Consider when Danzo react to Chidori blitz from Sasuke once Shisui eye activated shows Danzo can react to V1 Raiton and land Futon techs. Hiruzen elements can be used from any direction due to clones so if he wants to come close he will have to go through elements and they can stay at Diamond Cage as they have no way though. I also mention Baku suction being use as an electrical insulator to cancel out their raiton which further supports their victory.

Hiruzen is not a sensor, he has a acute sense of smell though. Hiruzen almost reacted to Juubito's Onmyoudon, he did not actually react to his Shunshin. Ōnoki can cope with Sharingan Genjutsu quiet well, not that Danzō has shown any Genjutsu aside from KA.

I didn't think he was until this chapter[

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Juuibto's speed in flight is still superior to what Muu and Onoki can move. Thats true about Onoki but the same can't be said to Muu.

Everyone who had 3T Sharingan had shown using it. Its illogical to say he can use MS Genjutsu but not a lower one. Even Kakashi showed it.

Ōnoki made lighter the second after he was healed by Tsunade. Agrivated rock punch is like a beam, it hits Hiruzen even if he hides in Enma cage, and hiding in the cage is not exactly going to give him the win. If he hides in Enma, Jinton destroys him as well.

The cage doesn't have much of a gap to do this. Hiding in a cage was meant to avoid blitz not staying there. Hirzuen can still force a Raiton behind a cage which kills Onoki if he attempts to charge a Jinton

A Raiton stream is not going through Gaara's defence. It took Chidori to pierce through Chunin Exams Gaara's sand. Futon won't be doing anything either unless its enhanced by Baku. But Ei cuts Baku down the second its summoned.

If we keep it to a simple phrase or two for each point, I don't mind. [/FONT]

Yea I rather just focus on 1 match up, I set myself up by making it multiple.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Consider when Danzo react to Chidori blitz from Sasuke once Shisui eye activated shows Danzo can react to V1 Raiton and land Futon techs. Hiruzen elements can be used from any direction due to clones so if he wants to come close he will have to go through elements and they can stay at Diamond Cage as they have no way though. I also mention Baku suction being use as an electrical insulator to cancel out their raiton which further supports their victory.

??? Danzo could not react to Chidori spear, he got impaled by it. Mere futon attacks are not going through V1, he needs damn powerful ones. And the only ones that are powerful enough are his Baku enhanced Fūton. Clones are inferior to the original in every way, reflexes and speed are no exception, V1 Ei and the 3rd Raikage would blitz clones. Baku gets cut down before he even uses his Vacum, we are talking about the people who regularly took down Hachibi.

I didn't think he was until this chapter[

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]. It was also stated that his crystal ball tech requires to sense the character chakra first before shows the characters location too.

Juuibto's speed in flight is still superior to what Muu and Onoki can move. Thats true about Onoki but the same can't be said to Muu.

Everyone who had 3T Sharingan had shown using it. Its illogical to say he can use MS Genjutsu but not a lower one. Even Kakashi showed it.

Even Suigetsu was able to feel BM Naruto's chakra, which is FAR inferior to Jubidaras, it does not take sensing skills to feel a powerful chakra.

Juubito did not even use his flight speed against Hiruzen, he merely fired off a onmyoudon. If Mū has Ōnoki on his team, he does not need to worry about basic Genjutsu either. Heck, if they are on the same team they don't even need to worry about Danzo's Koto.

Well feats are feats, but even if I let that slide, Genjutsu is still nothing against a team of two.

The cage doesn't have much of a gap to do this. Hiding in a cage was meant to avoid blitz not staying there. Hirzuen can still force a Raiton behind a cage which kills Onoki if he attempts to charge a Jinton

It has a decent gap, even if just a little of the 'laser' hits, he dies or gets injured, since it broke second stage Susanoo. A Raiton stream ain't killing anyone. Especially not Ōnoki. The most it will be doing is paralyzing for a short amount of time.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ill continue with a more proper thread with separate match up later. I writing too much and losing focus to defend them each match up.

 

[super yang]

there is no duo who can beat the godgather duo, no

 

[ARGUS]

Any combination of a raikage and a tsuchikage would beat them

 

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Onoki and Tsunade wins this

 

[Oblivionx]

gaara and raikage, easily take it...