Edo Hiruzen and Danzo vs Kages

[ATD]

It was already said Hiruzen is superior to all of them. Adding Danzo is just freaking overkill. No two man team from those pictures can defeat them. Hiruzen does not need to be Edo to in against either of them. Alive Hiruzen is superior to Edo Hiruzen also.

Alive hiruzen will be taken out by ay or 3 raikage in an instant, he can be glad that he is edo.

Muu's invisibility is useless because Hiruzen mastered the Inuzuka clans sense of smell and will just sniff him out. Gaara's sand gets blasted through with Hiruzen's raiton.

Hiruzen did not master it, he was able to sniff his enemys in the bringer of darkness, but they wasn't far away, muu can completely erase his chakra so hiruzen won't be able to smell him.

Ay + Onoki loses. Hiruzen uses his mass scale futon blast and rips Ays raiton armor off him and damaging him, given that Danzo can copy that with Sharingan, add Baku, or his own futon too it can arguably put Ay down or at the very least severely hurt him considering Temari and 3 fodders futon cut up Third Raikage which is complete shit compared to Hiruzen and Danzos level of futon and Third Raikage >>> Ay in terms of durability. Onoki is non factor.

Onokoi makes ay lighter and they will never get hit by those slow attacks
Temari shits on hiruzen when it comes to fuuton jutsus, danzo is on pair with her, but has nothing on the level of Rasenshurikan sp he won't be able to damage 3 raikage, hiruzen has really nothing against the 3 raikage except RDS, but its restricted and would be suicide.

 

[DMT]

no one of those fodders can take down Danzo sama or Hiruzen

 

[TheEvilOne]

Tsunade and Mei probably can't beat them. Any other team beats them with mid diff at best.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

It was already said Hiruzen is superior to all of them. Adding Danzo is just freaking overkill. No two man team from those pictures can defeat them. Hiruzen does not need to be Edo to in against either of them. Alive Hiruzen is superior to Edo Hiruzen also.

@ChocolateVanilla + RicardoA

Muu's invisibility is useless because Hiruzen mastered the Inuzuka clans sense of smell and will just sniff him out. Gaara's sand gets blasted through with Hiruzen's raiton.

@Blunt

Ay + Onoki loses. Hiruzen uses his mass scale futon blast and rips Ays raiton armor off him and damaging him, given that Danzo can copy that with Sharingan, add Baku, or his own futon too it can arguably put Ay down or at the very least severely hurt him considering Temari and 3 fodders futon cut up Third Raikage which is complete shit compared to Hiruzen and Danzos level of futon and Third Raikage >>> Ay in terms of durability. Onoki is non factor.

Hmm, I forgot that Hiruzen is able to do that, so I'll disregard invisiblity, but that doesn't change my verdict.

Mū and Gaara can both fly, which gives them the upper hand. Any attacks can be easily avoided by Mū, who is a sensor, and Gaara, who has his ultimate defence. Gaara's sand hasn't shown any weakness to Raiton, but if Hiruzen does use it, it could simply be dodged because it doesn't move as fast as natural lightning. Baku gets crushed by Sand Funeral, or gets killed with Jinton if Danzo tries to utilize him.

Gaara can assault Hiruzen from above which sand bullets, forcing him to be on the defensive. Gaara could catch his foot with sand, and once that happens, there's no escape for Hiruzen, he'll be engulfed by sand and then crushed.

Danzo can cause a few problems for the duo with his Izanagi, but Gaara and Mū can easily deduce the mechanics behind it, just as Karin did. All of his Fuuton techniques are easily avoided, and his Fuinjutsu is avoided altogether.

 

[wael reda]

third raikage solo high diff

 

[NSUNSR]

3dRaikage and Muu.

 

[Beans2]

No, I am just very observant.

I made the distance condition "stating reasonable" So distance goes by balance match up.



Futon element was state to be > over Raiton. Baku's suction can act as a insulator to Raiton armor, thus disrupting its effect. Baku+ Danzo = Susanoo cut buster. The same damage would either kill 3rd or heavenly wound him to the point he dies/unable to fight.

It is a powerful fuuton attack indeed - but it still pales in comparison to the cutting power of a FRS, which the Third Raikage effortlessly tanked. I understand that it cut through part of Susano'o but he Third Raikage's durability is still stronger. The most that attack would do is immobilize him.

If you add in Hiruzen's fuuton too, then maybe we're talking something.

OT: Onoki and Ay take this comfortably. Mu and 3rd Raikage works too.

 

[Tsunade123]

Tsunade and ay is all that's needed the third couldn't even handle oro

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[RicardoA]

Still waiting for an argument.

Well, any argument as to why both elders survive a version with twice the size and strenght of

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Gaara's sand gets blasted through with Hiruzen's raiton.

I'm aware of that. But can it blast the 4th's Gold Dust as well?
If both Kazekage's charge with their tsunamis, i see Danzo surviving because of Izanagi, but i don't see Hiruzen's 'nature bomb' matching that scale of jutsu. Not with just a stream of fire, water, rock, wind and lighting, all separated.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What in the world can they do against a flying Gaara? Summon Baku ? Lol

A flying Gaara isn't doing crap to these teams as
1. Gaara always level himself to fight where his opponents fighting type are, fact.
2. Attempting to keep distance to attack long range isn't helping as using Sand can also be used as a platform to reach him anyway. Not to mention no counter to Raiton stream as no sand can block it.

Tsunade and Mei probably can't beat them. Any other team beats them with mid diff at best.

Not a chance. Unless you have something that everyone else is repeating and that hasn't be refuted.

third raikage solo high diff

No argument?

I could say both Hiruzen and Danzo solos him too.

3dRaikage and Muu.

How?

It is a powerful fuuton attack indeed - but it still pales in comparison to the cutting power of a FRS, which the Third Raikage effortlessly tanked. I understand that it cut through part of Susano'o but he Third Raikage's durability is still stronger. The most that attack would do is immobilize him.

If you add in Hiruzen's fuuton too, then maybe we're talking something.

OT: Onoki and Ay take this comfortably. Mu and 3rd Raikage works too.

Hell no Danzo Futon cutting power >>> FRS. FRS outclasses Danzo's futon in AoE and range. Damage is different to compare but FRS is more versatile. But yea Danzo futon cut> FRS.

Adding Hiruzen Futon into the fuel goes even further.

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It isn't going to grow its only going to mix. I address that Hiruzen can sense chakra built since he is classify as a sensor. With that he can use enma to extend his staff from tsunami.

 

[RicardoA]

It isn't going to grow its only going to mix.

Why not? If both Kazekages would be contributing with their respective waves its only logical that they can move a jutsu with a much larger AoE.

I address that Hiruzen can sense chakra built since he is classify as a sensor. With that he can use enma to extend his staff from tsunami.

@bold: *Classified, classified as a sensor.

I think you're underestimating the Kazekages' combined potencial.
A tsunami also packs immense force due to its size and volume. The impact should be enough to make Enma topple, therefore putting Hiruzen in danger once again.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Why not? If both Kazekages would be contributing with their respective waves its only logical that they can move a jutsu with a much larger AoE.

wider or longer wave?

@bold: *Classified, classified as a sensor.

I think you're underestimating the Kazekages' combined potencial.
A tsunami also packs immense force due to its size and volume. The impact should be enough to make Enma topple, therefore putting Hiruzen in danger once again.

No classify. (I am joking) <-

Assuming Enma doesn't shape back to normal, once Hiruzen reaches the air, in time.

 

[NSUNSR]

It's late here so I'll explain why Muu and 3d Raikage win tomorrow.

 

[Beans2]

Hell no Danzo Futon cutting power >>> FRS. FRS outclasses Danzo's futon in AoE and range. Damage is different to compare but FRS is more versatile. But yea Danzo futon cut> FRS.

Adding Hiruzen Futon into the fuel goes even further.

Why do you think Rasenshuriken has inferior cutting power?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Why do you think Rasenshuriken has inferior cutting power?

Well lets see. What RS best cutting feat and whats Danzo's best cutting feat?

 

[Beans2]

Well lets see. What RS best cutting feat and whats Danzo's best cutting feat?

Well, I'm sure FRS can cut through Susano'o just as easily as Danzo's fuuton if not more...but sadly we've never seen it go up against a Susano'o. Really FRS has never been up against anything exceptionally durable so either one is just speculation.

I seriously doubt Danzo's fuuton would be capable of cutting through that though, since Naruto is portrayed as the strongest Fuuton user and the Raikage effortlessly shrugged off a Rasenshuriken.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Well, I'm sure FRS can cut through Susano'o just as easily as Danzo's fuuton if not more...but sadly we've never seen it go up against a Susano'o. Really FRS has never been up against anything exceptionally durable so either one is just speculation.

I seriously doubt Danzo's fuuton would be capable of cutting through that though, since Naruto is portrayed as the strongest Fuuton user and the Raikage effortlessly shrugged off a Rasenshuriken.

FRS cutting power isn't as focus as Danzo's Futon so I doubt it will do the same damage to Susanoo. Even temari showed better cutting power then Naruto.

I doubt Raikage's body is harder then complete Susanoo. If anything its as equal

 

[DMT]

lol at people claiming that 2nd Mizukage, ay onoki muu or 3rd raikage can beat Danzo

Danzo beats the living shit out of them, same with hiruzen

 

[Beans2]

FRS cutting power isn't as focus as Danzo's Futon so I doubt it will do the same damage to Susanoo. Even temari showed better cutting power then Naruto.

I doubt Raikage's body is harder then complete Susanoo. If anything its as equal

@bold, explain
@underline, yes you doubt it is harder than susano'o just like i doubt danzo's fuuton has more cutting power as FRS. It's really just a guess. If you include Hiruzen's fuuton then I think the Raikage cannot tank it.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Ei + 3rd Raiakge win.

Neither Danzō nor Hiruzen can react to Ei's V2. They have what it takes to put the Raikage down, I will give the old geezers that, but the speed will be too much for them.

Ōnoki + Mū win.

Ōnoki merely needs to touch Hiruzen to take him out of the equation. Given Ōnoki's insane speed and agility in flight, I don't see Hiruzen avoiding it. From there, its as simple as outlasting Danzō for 10min, which ain't hard.

Ei + Ōnoki win:

Ei bltizes them even easier then he could before with Ōnoki on his back.

Gaara + Ei win:

Ei blitz once again in V2. Gaara brings the defence against the Ninjutsu if needed.

Gaara + Ōnoki win:

Ōnoki does the same thing to Hiruzen as I mentioned previously, Gaara is support.