[Discussion] The Truth of Cavendish's and Zoro's Blades

[Vandenre1ch]

Its A THEORY! Too bad you can't change the title. Before you read, please note that there are no pictures and the thread may seem "sloppy" because I rushed through it(my CPU gets really slow when I type for a good period of time).

Heres a little trivia on cursed blades(Yoto).
-Swords classified as Yoto are known to carry curses and bring misfortune to its wielder.
-Kitetsu means "Demon Slayer"

Cavendish "The Pirate Prince" aka "Cabbage"

Spoiler

Cavediah has the legendary blade 'Durandal' and has an "alter ego" named Hakuba. Cavendish is unaware of this "alter edo" and Bastille spoke of the LEGEND of Hakuba. This implies that Hakuba is quite old and Cavendish certainly doesn't seem old. Late 20s at best. The only thing that can possibly be old about Cavendish is his legendary blade Durandal. Also, Cavendish most likely didn't have this "alter edo" known as Hakuba for long as he knows nothing about it. All this implies two things:

1. Durandal is a "Yoto-class" cursed sword
2. Hakuba is the curse of the legendary sword Durandal.

Note: Durandal is labeled as a cursed sword because the wielder may turn into Hakuba and kill anyone and anything including friends and family. Its as if they were possessed by a DEMON.

Yes. Hakuba is the curse of Durandal. The weilder of this blade loses consciousness and is taken over by this blood-thirsty entity. Some could specualte that Hakuba copies the strength of its previous owner since Cavendish got stronger when possessed by Hakuba. I believe Cavendish will travel with the SHs for awhile until they atleast reach Wano. Cavendish will learn about the curse and will try to control it. Cavendish and Hakuba may become one being and we'll have one strong attention *****.

"Pirate Hunter" Zoro aka "Mosshead"

Spoiler

Like Cavendish, we all know Zoro has a cursed blade. The name of that cursed blade is Sandai Kitetsu When Zoro got the blade, he was told that he was cursed and readers assumed that the curse was worsening Zoro's sense of direction. I don't think so. The poor sense of direction is all Zoro lol. The true curse of Zoro's "Sandai Kitetsu" is.....

Asura.
Yes. Asura is the curse of Zoro's blade Sandai Kitetsu.

Think about it. Zoro first got the blade in Logue town. Look at Zoro from before Loguetown to Alabasta. What would you notice? For starters Zoro smiled alot and was very nonchalant about everything. When being faced with certain death at the hands of an unhonorable person like Mr. 3, all Zoro could think about was his pose upon death(Zoro was being turned nito a wax statue). When he thought he ran into Nami in Little Garden, he gleefully said, with a big smile, "Oh Nami. Great Timing!" Kinda hard to imagine that with the current Zoro right? Zoro has definately gotten darker and his "descent to darkness" was being portrayed thoughout the series.

From pre-Loguetown to Alabasta, Zoro seemed like a pretty cool, chill dude and was pretty approachable. Only intimidating when he tries to be. From Skypia to Eniess Lobby, he seemed like a pretty rude and annoying guy and looked intimidating. From Thriller Bark to Sabody, seemed pretty unapproachable and PTS Zoro looks like bad news. Why?

Because the curse of Asura is taking him over.

Ever since Zoro used Asura on Kaku, he's been portrayed as a demon ever since. He gradually become colder and colder and more blood-thirsty. Asura is known as a deity of war, rage, fury and wraith and is believed to be a demon. When going into "demon mode", Zoro eye is usually portrayed with a glowing shade of red and it was always the left eye. Whaddaya know. His left eye is the one thats cut n' shut. Someone like Mihawk would definately know when someone is falling to a curse of a sword and he probably cut Zoro's eye as a counter-measure against it.

If he doesn't know already, Zoro will go to Wano and learn about the curse 'Asura'. He will learn to control it fully while at the same time, mastering flame cutting. The influence of 'Asura' will allow Zoro to use black flames.

What do you guys think? Go easy on me now. Like I said I rushed threw this.

 

[U mAd]

agree with cavedish part and disagree with zoro.he's the same guy he was at the beginning

 

[YowYan]

The Cavendish part makes sense
Nice analysis though

 

[Yokima Yagame]

Its A THEORY! Too bad you can't change the title. Before you read, please note that there are no pictures and the thread may seem "sloppy" because I rushed through it(my CPU gets really slow when I type for a good period of time).

Heres a little trivia on cursed blades(Yoto).
-Swords classified as Yoto are known to carry curses and bring misfortune to its wielder.
-Kitetsu means "Demon Slayer"

Cavendish "The Pirate Prince" aka "Cabbage"

Spoiler

Cavediah has the legendary blade 'Durandal' and has an "alter ego" named Hakuba. Cavendish is unaware of this "alter edo" and Bastille spoke of the LEGEND of Hakuba. This implies that Hakuba is quite old and Cavendish certainly doesn't seem old. Late 20s at best. The only thing that can possibly be old about Cavendish is his legendary blade Durandal. Also, Cavendish most likely didn't have this "alter edo" known as Hakuba for long as he knows nothing about it. All this implies two things:

1. Durandal is a "Yoto-class" cursed sword
2. Hakuba is the curse of the legendary sword Durandal.

Note: Durandal is labeled as a cursed sword because the wielder may turn into Hakuba and kill anyone and anything including friends and family. Its as if they were possessed by a DEMON.

Yes. Hakuba is the curse of Durandal. The weilder of this blade loses consciousness and is taken over by this blood-thirsty entity. Some could specualte that Hakuba copies the strength of its previous owner since Cavendish got stronger when possessed by Hakuba. I believe Cavendish will travel with the SHs for awhile until they atleast reach Wano. Cavendish will learn about the curse and will try to control it. Cavendish and Hakuba may become one being and we'll have one strong attention *****.

"Pirate Hunter" Zoro aka "Mosshead"

Spoiler

Like Cavendish, we all know Zoro has a cursed blade. The name of that cursed blade is Sandai Kitetsu When Zoro got the blade, he was told that he was cursed and readers assumed that the curse was worsening Zoro's sense of direction. I don't think so. The poor sense of direction is all Zoro lol. The true curse of Zoro's "Sandai Kitetsu" is.....

Asura.
Yes. Asura is the curse of Zoro's blade Sandai Kitetsu.

Think about it. Zoro first got the blade in Logue town. Look at Zoro from before Loguetown to Alabasta. What would you notice? For starters Zoro smiled alot and was very nonchalant about everything. When being faced with certain death at the hands of an unhonorable person like Mr. 3, all Zoro could think about was his pose upon death(Zoro was being turned nito a wax statue). When he thought he ran into Nami in Little Garden, he gleefully said, with a big smile, "Oh Nami. Great Timing!" Kinda hard to imagine that with the current Zoro right? Zoro has definately gotten darker and his "descent to darkness" was being portrayed thoughout the series.

From pre-Loguetown to Alabasta, Zoro seemed like a pretty cool, chill dude and was pretty approachable. Only intimidating when he tries to be. From Skypia to Eniess Lobby, he seemed like a pretty rude and annoying guy and looked intimidating. From Thriller Bark to Sabody, seemed pretty unapproachable and PTS Zoro looks like bad news. Why?

Because the curse of Asura is taking him over.

Ever since Zoro used Asura on Kaku, he's been portrayed as a demon ever since. He gradually become colder and colder and more blood-thirsty. Asura is known as a deity of war, rage, fury and wraith and is believed to be a demon. When going into "demon mode", Zoro eye is usually portrayed with a glowing shade of red and it was always the left eye. Whaddaya know. His left eye is the one thats cut n' shut. Someone like Mihawk would definately know when someone is falling to a curse of a sword and he probably cut Zoro's eye as a counter-measure against it.

If he doesn't know already, Zoro will go to Wano and learn about the curse 'Asura'. He will learn to control it fully while at the same time, mastering flame cutting. The influence of 'Asura' will allow Zoro to use black flames.

What do you guys think? Go easy on me now. Like I said I rushed threw this.

Well if you think about it deeply enough ,you would really notice how Zoro is just a little bit more or even alot more enthusiastic about battles and getting stronger.
Now the thing about his eye - it could be true ,or maybe now he has mastered his demon blade and he needs to open his other eye to convince the blade that it needs to stop making him battle ,like a brake if you want to say it like that .

 

[Tobi98]

Hope so cuz I've wanted an explanation for Ashura eversince it happened

 

[Blunt]

I actually enjoyed your thoughts on this, I guess I can see Cavendish' and his part, Zoro's personality still seems the same, but as you said it kind of has became colder over time.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Well if you think about it deeply enough ,you would really notice how Zoro is just a little bit more or even alot more enthusiastic about battles and getting stronger.
Now the thing about his eye - it could be true ,or maybe now he has mastered his demon blade and he needs to open his other eye to convince the blade that it needs to stop making him battle ,like a brake if you want to say it like that .

I noticed that too. Usually people attack Zoro first or he had to fight. Nowadays Zoro is the one picking the fights and wants to fight stronger people. Like on Fishman Island. Zoro was a cold blooded demon and all he did was tell the octopus guy to piss off and bring him FI's strongest swordsman.

Hope so cuz I've wanted an explanation for Ashura eversince it happened

Hakuba made Cavendish stronger. Keep that in mind when I say Zoro was losing to Kaku the enitre fight until he used Asura and one-shotted him.

I actually enjoyed your thoughts on this, I guess I can see Cavendish' and his part, Zoro's personality still seems the same, but as you said it kind of has became colder over time.

Zoro's 'development" is cleverly hidden. Check chapters 100 to 115 and you'll see how "happy and normal" Zoro seemed. After Alabasta, the amount of times he smiled decreased drastically. Hell, his normal expression became a scowl after that and his blodd thirsty nature became more prominent.

agree with cavedish part and disagree with zoro.he's the same guy he was at the beginning

Sorry but....I can't take you seriously......not with that hilarious, weird and wrong avatar......

The Cavendish part makes sense
Nice analysis though

Thank You :vision:

 

[Fireplay]

The Cavendish theory seems quite possible and i kinda like it but i disagree on the Zoro part. Sandai Kitetsu being the reason for Ashura seems plausible but the blade hasn't changed Zoro's personality. Zoro is still the same. Also, the red glow on Zoro's eye was always on the right eye not the left.

What i've noticed about Zoro is that when he started fighting Pica he suddenly started to look more menacing. Am i the only one who noticed that suddenly Zoro has lines on his face that looks like scars? Read his fight with Pica. He started showing these lines even before the fight started. It might be Oda just trying to improve his artwork but i find it weird that Zoro is the only one who looks like this.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Man I love these. Some of the best stuff that's been posted in this section for a while.
Man..really want these to happen now >.<!!!!
F*cking awesome man

 

[SSS12]

That's a very interesting prediction. Never saw Zoro's development from that perspective.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

I can see the Cavendish part being spot on, as for the Asura, Kitetsu and Zoro part not so much nice thpights on the stuff though it mde n interesting read.

I see Asura as more attuned to Zoro's own spirit and whayeved is the sorce of power of destruction but wigh also being connected to h60is swords and their feelings(blood lusts and whatever there is to Wado and Shusui/was to Ybashiriri is also in the mix though. I dnt see asura being something Zoro might not b ble to perform if he maybe say lost Kitetsu and didnt replace it with another Kitetsu down the line.

I kimda fantsize of an Kitetsu wielding Zoro but the nostalgia and history to Wado and Shusui choosing Zoro kinda get in the way of that my fantasy but I kinda really want it.

 

[ultraChalk]

Excellent analysis. I would love to see Hakuba further analyzed and Zoro's abilities explained.

 

[Listz]

I bet lots of explanation will be done when we have Wano kuni arc later for Zoro's ability and his swords. We may learn all 21 legendary swords names there as well. Eh or is it 12?

I favour that theory on Hakuba, nice effort buddy

 

[Tomato God]

Pretty out of the box theory. I like it. But if you think about it all his swords are covered in blood Wado Ichimonji is his dead friends katana
Shusui was from a samurai thath killed 3000 people to protect his wife then died with his sword in his hand

at this point all of his swords could be cursed.

 

[Chubby Sage]

i agree, I feel as if he gets these techniques solely from the swords will, such as this pic, I feel as if Kitetsu (cursed sword takes over)

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and the time when he one slashed monet

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[xanonymosx]

I bet lots of explanation will be done when we have Wano kuni arc later for Zoro's ability and his swords. We may learn all 21 legendary swords names there as well. Eh or is it 12?

there are 12 legendary sowrds they are the first class and the best , mihawk`s sowrd and shodai ketesu are one of them
and there are 21 legendary sowrds (second class) shusui and kunai`s are one of them
sandai ketesu has his own class the cursed sowrds

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Pretty out of the box theory. I like it. But if you think about it all his swords are covered in blood Wado Ichimonji is his dead friends katana
Shusui was from a samurai thath killed 3000 people to protect his wife then died with his sword in his hand

at this point all of his swords could be cursed.

Remember that Yotos carry cureses AND brings misfortune. Zoro only overcame the misfortune part but he's still cursed. If we see an unlucky swordsman, he has a cursed sword.

 

[Tomato God]

Remember that Yotos carry cureses AND brings misfortune. Zoro only overcame the misfortune part but he's still cursed. If we see an unlucky swordsman, he has a cursed sword.

Yoto or not they are cursed how unlucky is zoro. Every sword he get is covered in blood. His best friend someone just like him (ryuma from monsters) and the third is litterally cursed.