Who Can Tank Ay's Lightning Punch?

[Haizaki]

Read my earlier post:

I did and it doesn't change anything as you said Onoki making him lighter made his punch weaker which is completely false.

no, Kabuto's surprise was due to Ei blitzing him.

Are you going to argue this when he saw Ay in V2 state and noted he was faster since Onoki made him lighter? Are you going to argue this when he was extremely surprised upon hit? He was clearly surprised because he didn't expect the hit to be strong and thought it would be light like when Onoki hit him the other time. Absolutely nothing to argue unless you want to just argue for the sake of it.

Of course he's stronger with oonoki when oonki uses weighted rocks on Ei to massively increase his power right before Ei makes contact. He didn't do that against muu since we don't see oonoki making Ei heavier at the moment of contact, nor lighter after the moment of contact and Ei instantly gets behind Madara before Muu even travels a couple of feet meaning Ei was lightened when he hit muu.

Ok doesn't change the fact that the punch was stronger and his attacks were stronger. Kabuto imagined it to be far weaker like against Onoki and was surprised when hit as he said there was nothing to worry about. Just that the aggravated rock technique made it far stronger against Madara.

Look, Naruto's rasengan planet did incomparably greater amount of damage to 100% muu, and both 50% muus than Ei's chop did. If Ei's strength was just as great when he hit muu as when he hit madara's susanoo, then that means muu's durability >>>>>> Madara's susanoo and that KCM Naruto would fodderize madara's susanoo with a rasengan planet.

Do you believe that's true? If not, then you logically can't maintain your position about Ei's hitting strength against muu = Ei's hitting strength against madara's susanoo.

Mu was edo so it doesn't really matter at all. Of course the punch that hit Madara's susanoo was indeed stronger than the one that hit Mu but it still doesn't change the fact that Ay was stronger with Onoki when he hit Mu than he was before.

 

[LuckyMan]

Um, I literally showed you why Han is easily capable of performing Ei's feats, so yes 1 tailed Han is capable of all of Ei's strength/striking feats that you've listed and more. We have Bee blocking V1 Ei's punch without budging and overpowering V2 Ei, while Bee gets sent flying through the earth when he just tries to stop the momentum from one of 1 tailed Han's punches.

That conclusively proves that Han hits far harder than Ei, and therefore since Han hits far harder than Ei, he's far stronger and is capable of all of Ei's strength/ impact feats.

Plus, Han doesn't even need to repeat Ei's feats since the question is: would KCM Naruto get screwed by a clean hit from V1 Ei. If Han hits harder than Ei, lands a clean hit on Naruto's face, and Naruto is hardly damaged then that disproves your translation.

Do you agree or disagree with that? If you agree, then good. If you disagree, show me what part of my argument you disagree with, and REMEMBER that the argument is about the validity of your translation where Naruto claims a clean hit from V1 Ei will beat him.

Han can do everything Ay can? All because he punched Naruto to Bee and knocked them back?! Okay, I'm done. Not wasting my time and stooping down to your level. Good day, sir.

 

[lanakui8]

I did and it doesn't change anything as you said Onoki making him lighter made his punch weaker which is completely false.

well I brought up scans to show why my assertion is true, thus you can't simply say my point is completely false, as that's ignoring my arguments and therefore conceding them.

Are you going to argue this when he saw Ay in V2 state and noted he was faster since Onoki made him lighter? Are you going to argue this when he was extremely surprised upon hit? He was clearly surprised because he didn't expect the hit to be strong and thought it would be light like when Onoki hit him the other time. Absolutely nothing to argue unless you want to just argue for the sake of it.

None of what you've just typed has anything to do with disproving my argument. Regardless of knowledge on a person's speed, if someone gets blitzed, they show the "!?" sign above their head. He wasn't surprised because of Ei's power, he shows the same surprise anyone who gets blitzed does.

Ok doesn't change the fact that the punch was stronger and his attacks were stronger. Kabuto imagined it to be far weaker like against Onoki and was surprised when hit as he said there was nothing to worry about. Just that the aggravated rock technique made it far stronger against Madara.

Except his punch wasn't stronger, nothing in the manga implies it was. Base Ei's punches could send muu flying away with enough force to destroy mokuton upon impact, lightened V2 Ei's hit on muu doesn't even show higher power than that hit. Kabuto was right about Ei's hits, 50% muu didn't even seem damaged by Ei's hit, and Ei sure as heck wasn't going to do anything to Madara's V3 susanoo with hits that are even weaker than his normal ones.

Then there's the fact that there's no way you can logically say that oonoki making ei heavier made his attack stronger since, if Ei's attacks get stronger when he's heavier, then it follows logically that Ei's attacks get weaker when he's lighter, and therefore since normal Ei is heavier than lightened Ei, normal Ei's attacks are more powerful.

Mu was edo so it doesn't really matter at all. Of course the punch that hit Madara's susanoo was indeed stronger than the one that hit Mu but it still doesn't change the fact that Ay was stronger with Onoki when he hit Mu than he was before.

Why does muu being an edo mean anything? He's an edo when he gets hit by rasnegan planet and he's an edo when he gets hit by lightened Ei's attack. 100% edo Muu sustained incomparably greater amounts of damage from naruto's rasengan planet than 50% muu sustained from lightened V2 Ei's hit, so by your logic rasengan planet >>>>>>>>> lightened V2 Ei > V2 Ei.

 

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[lanakui8]

Han can do everything Ay can? All because he punched Naruto to Bee and knocked them back?! Okay, I'm done. Not wasting my time and stooping down to your level. Good day, sir.

Well then that's you conceding the entire argument since you've shown that you have no logical way of maintaining your view in light of the points that I've brought up other than simply ignoring those points.

So you've conceded that 1 tailed Han's hits are > Ei's hits and have conceded that in the correct translation Naruto never said anything about getting screwed by taking a clean hit from V1 Ei.

Finally, in our discussion it's clear as day that YOU are not at my level as far as honesty, objectivity and debating calibre goes. The highest calibre of debaters will take seriously any argument, and won't simply ignore the things that they don't like. That's the level that you've stooped to in our debate which is why you've devolved into these simple 2 line responses that don't address 90% of my arguments and misrepresent the 10% that you do refer to.

So yes, if you aren't going to debate honestly and objectively, and if you are simply going to ignore your opponents arguments and try to deceptively dismiss the portion that you do respond to, then you are right, you should stop posting, stop wasting my time and have a good day.

 

[Haizaki]

well I brought up scans to show why my assertion is true, thus you can't simply say my point is completely false, as that's ignoring my arguments and therefore conceding them.

All you did was repeat the same thing and you said Ay was weaker with Onoki while that second post contradicts what you initially said. What's there to reply to then?

None of what you've just typed has anything to do with disproving my argument. Regardless of knowledge on a person's speed, if someone gets blitzed, they show the "!?" sign above their head. He wasn't surprised because of Ei's power, he shows the same surprise anyone who gets blitzed does.

Same here as I think it doesn't disprove my argument. The punch should have been far lighter like he imagined. You haven't given an explanation on why it wasn't. He was surprised because he didn't expect it to be stronger.

Except his punch wasn't stronger, nothing in the manga implies it was. Base Ei's punches could send muu flying away with enough force to destroy mokuton upon impact, lightened V2 Ei's hit on muu doesn't even show higher power than that hit. Kabuto was right about Ei's hits, 50% muu didn't even seem damaged by Ei's hit, and Ei sure as heck wasn't going to do anything to Madara's V3 susanoo with hits that are even weaker than his normal ones.

Ok but it was stronger. As simple as that. Ay was light enough for Onoki to move him about or so and yet when he approached Kabuto, the punch was not as weak as Onoki's when he hit him. Definitely it was stronger alongside with the exclamations and question mark by Mu implying he didn't expect that at all. Clearly kabuto expected the punch to be weak and said "there's nothing to worry about" Yet you haven't given any reason to why it was strong and sent him flying upon hit when the punch was expected to be like Onoki's.

Then there's the fact that there's no way you can logically say that oonoki making ei heavier made his attack stronger since, if Ei's attacks get stronger when he's heavier, then it follows logically that Ei's attacks get weaker when he's lighter, and therefore since normal Ei is heavier than lightened Ei, normal Ei's attacks are more powerful.

There's the fact that he approached Mu and was definitely stronger when he hit him without a doubt or else the same result with Onoki would have occurred. If you choose not to believe the we might as well disagree.

Why does muu being an edo mean anything? He's an edo when he gets hit by rasnegan planet and he's an edo when he gets hit by lightened Ei's attack. 100% edo Muu sustained incomparably greater amounts of damage from naruto's rasengan planet than 50% muu sustained from lightened V2 Ei's hit, so by your logic rasengan planet >>>>>>>>> lightened V2 Ei > V2 Ei.

Edo's regenerate so this is irrelevant doesn't mean they can't be hit but regeneration makes all of this irrelevant. Stop giving this nonsense logic as I didn't imply that.

 

[lanakui8]

All you did was repeat the same thing and you said Ay was weaker with Onoki while that second post contradicts what you initially said. What's there to reply to then?

that just shows you either ignored my arguments or didnʻt read them properly. Ei is only weaker with oonoki when oonki makes Ei lighter, if Ei is his usual weight or heavier w/ oonoki his hits are normal or more powerful.

Same here as I think it doesn't disprove my argument. The punch should have been far lighter like he imagined. You haven't given an explanation on why it wasn't. He was surprised because he didn't expect it to be stronger.

The punch WAS far lighter like he imagined as base Ei has shown heʻs capable of sending muu flying with a hit, yet V2 Ei is only capable of the same thing.
Not only that, but it absolutely does disprove your argument as your entire argument is based on that hit being not only not lighter, but HEAVIER than Eiʻs normal hits. Therefore itʻs necessary that you give evidence for that claim. If you donʻt have any evidence for that claim, then your claim is baseless and thus worthless.

Ok but it was stronger. As simple as that. Ay was light enough for Onoki to move him about or so and yet when he approached Kabuto, the punch was not as weak as Onoki's when he hit him. Definitely it was stronger alongside with the exclamations and question mark by Mu implying he didn't expect that at all. Clearly kabuto expected the punch to be weak and said "there's nothing to worry about" Yet you haven't given any reason to why it was strong and sent him flying upon hit when the punch was expected to be like Onoki's.

It wasnʻt stronger, the exact opposite is shown when base Ei would be able to repeat Eiʻs lightened hit. Of course lightened Eiʻs punch >>>>>> lightened oonkiʻs punch since Ei hits >>>>>>>>>>>> oonoki hits. Kabuto didnʻt expect the punch to be ʻweakʻ he expected it to not be a threat, a threat to Madara w/ his susanoo, and he was right since 50% muu got sent away by it, but still took it like a champ.

There's the fact that he approached Mu and was definitely stronger when he hit him without a doubt or else the same result with Onoki would have occurred. If you choose not to believe the we might as well disagree.

V2 Eiʻs punch > V1 Eiʻs punch > base Eiʻs punch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base oonokiʻs punch. Therefore lightened V2 Eiʻs punch >>>>>>>>>> lightened oonkiʻs punch. So kabuto obviously wasnʻt expecting the punch to be the same as oonkiʻs, heʻs just expecting it to not be a threat to madara who has susanoo which has already proven to be >>> Eiʻs punch.

Edo's regenerate so this is irrelevant doesn't mean they can't be hit but regeneration makes all of this irrelevant. Stop giving this nonsense logic as I didn't imply that.

How in the world does edo regeneration have anything to do with the damage an edo sustains from a hit BEFORE THEY BEGIN TO REGENERATE?
How in the world does edo regeneration have anything to do with the damage an edo sustains IF BOTH CHARACTERS WE ARE COMPARING HAVE EDO REGENERATION?

If attack A completely obliterates an edoʻs body while attack B doesnʻt do any damage to them, by your logic attack A isnʻt more powerful than attack B. by your logic, madaraʻs meteors are not more powerful than base Eiʻs punch since ʻedoʻs regenerateʻ. Donʻt waste my time.

And I know you donʻt want to imply rasengan planet >>>>>>>>> lightened V2 Ei > V2 Ei, but thatʻs what you are forced to assert due to the claims youʻve made since rasengan planet did far more damage to muu than V2 Eiʻs punch did.

 

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[TheEvilOne]

If attack A completely obliterates an edoʻs body while attack B doesnʻt do any damage to them, by your logic attack A isnʻt more powerful than attack B. by your logic, madaraʻs meteors are not more powerful than base Eiʻs punch since ʻedoʻs regenerateʻ. Donʻt waste my time.

And I know you donʻt want to imply rasengan planet >>>>>>>>> lightened V2 Ei > V2 Ei, but thatʻs what you are forced to assert due to the claims youʻve made since rasengan planet did far more damage to muu than V2 Eiʻs punch did.

Too bad none of Ay's punches are capable of destroying an Edo's body completely. He isn't Tsunade. HE hit Madara several times and the reasult was the same when he hit Muu. You are repeating yourself and you are wrong. Ay's punches weren't lighter at all.

 

[Tsunade123]

Tsunade can.

This I love this reppppp

 

[Tsunade123]

Orochimaru-sama, he tanked Tsuandes punch so why not Ay's?

He didn't tank her punch he had extra skin if not for that he would be dead even j man said so