Orachimaru vs Kisame

[LustyLover]

Don't know.

Water dome, GSB, Feeding sharks, Clones, Samehada and Oro has no way of killing or putting him down.

There's a counter to Suiro Sameodori above; GSB is easily dodged, his sharks are massacred by a wave of snakes all wielding katanas, etc. What do you mean by "clones"? Orochimaru can restrain him via Sen'eijashu, essentially allowing him to seperate Samehada from Kisame. Orochimaru can end this with poison or a curse mark followed by decapitation.​

 

[TRE MERCER]

Counter for Manda? Didn't think so.

 

[Haizaki]

There's a counter to Suiro Sameodori above; GSB is easily dodged, his sharks are massacred by a wave of snakes all wielding katanas, etc. What do you mean by "clones"? Orochimaru can restrain him via Sen'eijashu, essentially allowing him to seperate Samehada from Kisame. Orochimaru can end this with poison or a curse mark followed by decapitation.​

What's the counter? I don't know what counter you came up with so you might as well tell me instead of me having to read the above.

Lol GSB is easily dodged? Let's be serious. If Kisame traps him in the water dome, no way Oro is moving faster than a water jutsu in water especially if it's timed well.

You must be registered for see links

This is what I mean by clones. If Oro makes contact, then this happens

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

You know how many sharks? Hell the snakes are not taking all down.

Funny how you think Oro is going to dodge GSB but yet think Kisame would be caught with Sen'eijashu. Anyways, Kisame can protect himself with this

You must be registered for see links

Kisame merges when the fight starts with intel. Water dome comes out, GG Oro.

 

[LustyLover]

What's the counter? I don't know what counter you came up with so you might as well tell me instead of me having to read the above.

Lol GSB is easily dodged? Let's be serious. If Kisame traps him in the water dome, no way Oro is moving faster than a water jutsu in water especially if it's timed well.

You must be registered for see links

This is what I mean by clones. If Oro makes contact, then this happens

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

You know how many sharks? Hell the snakes are not taking all down.

Funny how you think Oro is going to dodge GSB but yet think Kisame would be caught with Sen'eijashu. Anyways, Kisame can protect himself with this

You must be registered for see links

Kisame merges when the fight starts with intel. Water dome comes out, GG Oro.

If he traps him in the water dome he can have himself summoned out. GSB will not occur inside of the dome because by the time Kisame uses it Orochimaru will already be out of it.

If he's trapped in the water dome by clones, he extends his head out of the water like this [

You must be registered for see links

] and disgorges the Kusanagi like this [

You must be registered for see links

]. Once out, he kills the clone with it and ends the jutsu.

Do you know how many snakes? [

You must be registered for see links

]. They sure are taking each and every one of those sharks down, especially when they all have katanas to slice them to bits with.

I think that because Orochimaru is simply faster, more agile, and has shown feats of advanced Shunshin whereas Kisame hasn't shown speed or agility feats and has never once shown the utilization of Shunsin. If Kisame protects himself with that Orochimaru spits out the Kusanagi and gorges his eyes out of his sockets.

The dome is useless the second it's brought up.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Seeing some misconceptions relating to the big blue guy. I'll leave a more detailed post on my views with the match up in a few hours.

 

[blazekev90]

Here we go again:

I felt like we just discussed this match. Nonetheless, Orochimaru wins high difficulty. Certainly Kisame could win, but 7 out of 10 Orochimaru has the advantage.

-GSB is blocked by Gates.
-Dome travels with Kismae, simply use a distraction to occupy his time while you swim the opposite direction. Luckily for Orochimaru he has multiple snakes at his disposal. If all else fails, he simply swims to the bottom merge with the environment to escape.
-hand-to-hand combat, both are swordsman but Orochimaru has the hand speed advantage and the ability to utilize snakes with each strike. If...IF Kisame were to tied up like Emma, Juugo and others have by snakes, he'd lose.
-both have sensing abilities. Kisame using samehada and Orochimaru using his snakes, assuming this is part 1 Orochimaru w/o Zetsu body.
The advantage each has over the each: Kisame's ability to drain chakra, Orochimaru use of poison.

 

[Haizaki]

If he traps him in the water dome he can have himself summoned out. GSB will not occur inside of the dome because by the time Kisame uses it Orochimaru will already be out of it.

Lol honestly don't know where you got this from. You seem to not understand that the dome is big enough. Please read the manga first before saying all this.

You must be registered for see links

Orochimaru first of all isn't a speedster. Secondly, this is water so he has no way of escaping or even being faster than Kisame. Not to mention he can summon a shark and make himself faster

You must be registered for see links

Don't know where you got the summoned out from Lol. Grasping at straws? Smh His clone isn't summoning him. Show me scans of that. Show me scans of his clones being able to summon a summoning when it's weaker than the original. When it would be caught up with water dome, When it can be dealt with with ease, When feeding sharks can rip the clone.

Do you know how many snakes? [

You must be registered for see links

]. They sure are taking each and every one of those sharks down, especially when they all have katanas to slice them to bits with.

smh so now you're trying to tell me that's comparable to THIS

You must be registered for see links

It's not like the sharks can't attack when they are feeding sharks.

I think that because Orochimaru is simply faster, more agile, and has shown feats of advanced Shunshin whereas Kisame hasn't shown speed or agility feats and has never once shown the utilization of Shunsin. If Kisame protects himself with that Orochimaru spits out the Kusanagi and gorges his eyes out of his sockets.

Oh boy what part don't you understand? There's a water wall protecting him so Kusanagi is useless against that.

The dome is useless the second it's brought up.

Your point is invalid as you think he can be summoned out which is completely funny. You also ignored the part with him making contacts with the clones as well. Lol

 

[LustyLover]

Whoa, careful there. Besides your blatant stupidity, your incoherency is becoming more and more aparent by the second. I'll respond tomorrow. Have a nice night.

 

[Haizaki]

Whoa, careful there. Besides your blatant stupidity, your incoherency is becoming more and more aparent by the second. I'll respond tomorrow.

The stupid one is the one who resorts to insults. Reply tomorrow. I'll just to deal with your bullcrap as I've seen you don't read the manga.

 

[LustyLover]

The stupid one is the one who resorts to insults. Reply tomorrow. I'll just to deal with your bullcrap as I've seen you don't read the manga.

Lol the nerve of this one. Your entire "argument," if we can even call it such, is riddled with disrespect from the get-go. Whatever you got and everything you're going to get is utterly warranted. For tomorrow I suggest quite a large amount of **** cream. You'll need it after you get raped.

 

[Haizaki]

Lol the nerve of this one. Your entire "argument," if we can even call it such, is riddled with disrespect from the get-go. Whatever you got and everything you're going to get is utterly warranted. For tomorrow I suggest quite a large amount of **** cream. You'll need it after you get raped.

Disrespect or a sensitive kid? Lol don't reply to me until you have your counter. The one that resorts to Oro running into Manda's nose and being summoned out is the complete moron. I've seen you around. You're terrible so I won't waste my time on you.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I love de' trash talk. It makes everything more entertaining.

 

[LustyLover]

Disrespect or a sensitive kid? Lol don't reply to me until you have your counter. The one that resorts to Oro running into Manda's nose and being summoned out is the complete moron. I've seen you around. You're terrible so I won't waste my time on you.

For the record, an individual has already hid in Manda's nose to escape [

You must be registered for see links

]. You scoffing at it only shows that if anyone hasn't read the manga here, it's YOU.

Unfortunately, I've seen you around as well, and I fear my mind will never heal from such stupidity. I'll attempt to lower my intelligence to yours (say, Kindergarten level?) and elaborate it as slow as possible later on. Maybe then you'll have a fraction of a chance of understanding.

 

[Haizaki]

For the record, an individual has already hid in Manda's nose to escape [

You must be registered for see links

]. You scoffing at it only shows that if anyone hasn't read the manga here, it's YOU.

So? this is the part where you don't read. This is what I said "The one that resorts to Oro running into Manda's nose and being summoned out is the complete moron"

Unfortunately, I've seen you around as well, and I fear my mind will never heal from such stupidity. I'll attempt to lower my intelligence to yours (say, Kindergarten level?) and elaborate it as slow as possible. Maybe then you'll have a fraction chance of a chance of understanding.

Cry all you want. I thought you had to go? Lol is this your way of running away from the debate?

 

[LustyLover]

With full intel on the water dome, Orochimaru can leave a Bunshin underground via Hiding Like a Mole and have it pop up once he gets trapped in the dome. Once inside of it Orochimaru summons Manda, hides inside of him either through his mouth like Sasuke did to escape Deidara's C0 or through the nose like Kabuto did on Turtle Island. Once inside of Manda, the clone resummons Manda to a different location away from the dome or Orochimaru reverse summons himself to the Ryuchi like Sasuke did and then the clone summons him when the dome is ended due to Kisame's belief that Orochimaru retreated/escaped.

As for your last post, I'll counter that tomorrow.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

A few flaws with your plan, HolyEyes. The setting is in the war and presumably the crater where it is being fought for the past hundred chapters. Even if it's not, a beach front, forest, or desert are the alternatives. All of which couldn't conceal the giant snake that is Manda. Unless somehow the clone is to escape far enough so that Manda would be out of view. In which case, Kisame would logically leave and the fight is over with Orochimaru fleeing.

Assuming he can both summon Manda, get Manda to agree to this course of action quick enough before Kisamehada tracks him (Unlikely, but I will suspend my disbelief) and we're also assuming that the Sensor Kisame is in this state is unable to even feel the second presence. Not to mention, splitting off half of your chakra unless you're a monster such as Kisame or Naruto, is never a good idea. Especially at the beginning of the fight.

In short: Kisame would feel the clone and possesses a jutsu that turns the solid earth to a liquid around it. I.E. Kisame swims through the ground and attacks the clone. And that's with me putting off Manda refusing, being stubborn and or the plan needing to be explained. All before Orochimaru is caught and grappled with by Kisame, or Manda for that sake. Either of them would be dry of chakra in mere moments. Orochimaru is shark chow

You must be registered for see images

Note: Not my views on the match up, just thought I would post this here. Still formulating the other post.

 

[super yang]

Kisame wont get a chance to absorb any chakra & he'll eventually get poisoned by Oros' blood or snake venom.
Archangel possession is a possibility too

 

[Haizaki]

With full intel on the water dome, Orochimaru can leave a Bunshin underground via Hiding Like a Mole and have it pop up once he gets trapped in the dome. Once inside of it Orochimaru summons Manda, hides inside of him either through his mouth like Sasuke did to escape Deidara's C0 or through the nose like Kabuto did on Turtle Island. Once inside of Manda, the clone resummons Manda to a different location away from the dome

Like I said, show me a scan of a clone summoning and then I'll agree with you. The scroll and blood of the original is required. You're saying the clone is going to summon Manda to a location despite Manda being in that location and already being summoned by the original. You're ignoring Manda's size as well

Kisame can sense and can travel underground with high speed

You must be registered for see links

He would kill the clone himself or have his clones do the job considering they can even use techniques like the little water dome. So that entire point about the clone summoning Manda is irrelevant even if they could.

or Orochimaru reverse summons himself to the Ryuchi like Sasuke did and then the clone summons him when the dome is ended due to Kisame's belief that Orochimaru retreated/escaped.

Kisame can sense with Samehada. Where's this disbelief coming from?

Kisame would be able to sense Oro's clone and he'll know he hasn't retreated. Oro goes to ryuchi cave, then he loses since he left the battlefield.

As for your last post, I'll counter that tomorrow.

Feel free. I'm not going to reply anything irrelevant since you have gone complaining about being disrespected even though I don't know how.

Edit: I apologize then. I probably didn't realize I was.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Here we go again:

I felt like we just discussed this match. Nonetheless, Orochimaru wins high difficulty. Certainly Kisame could win, but 7 out of 10 Orochimaru has the advantage.

-GSB is blocked by Gates.
-Dome travels with Kismae, simply use a distraction to occupy his time while you swim the opposite direction. Luckily for Orochimaru he has multiple snakes at his disposal. If all else fails, he simply swims to the bottom merge with the environment to escape.
-hand-to-hand combat, both are swordsman but Orochimaru has the hand speed advantage and the ability to utilize snakes with each strike. If...IF Kisame were to tied up like Emma, Juugo and others have by snakes, he'd lose.
-both have sensing abilities. Kisame using samehada and Orochimaru using his snakes, assuming this is part 1 Orochimaru w/o Zetsu body.
The advantage each has over the each: Kisame's ability to drain chakra, Orochimaru use of poison.

with samehadas healing powers poison wouldn't be much good, however kisame will still be absorbing oros chakra which is an advantage for obvious reasons.....I didn't think about him swimming to the bottom of the dome and merging with the environment but this is assuming he can out swim kisame in the water, I greatly doubt he can. Hand to hand combat oro wins due to speed? are you kidding me? his grass long blade would be against samehada......I really can't see him having an advantage in this scenario.

You haven't given a way for oro to actually take kisame down....

 

[Nattana]

Orochimaru mid diffs.