[VS] Rate Diedara last explosion

[naruto7861]

Rate Diedara Last Explosion out of 1 to 10 and 10 being the biggest just wondering and who do you think can tank it and live

 

[Inert Brian]

Anyone with good jutsu guard (Hashirama), speed to evade it (Minato), or a durable body (3rd raikage) tank it.

 

[lanakui8]

If 10 is the biggest explosion we've seen in the manga (quad juubidama), and 1 is the smallest explosion we've seen (paper bombs?) Deidara's C0 would be around a 5 or 6.

His explosion was larger but still comparable in size to a normal TBB's explosion. Naruto's super TBB is on a completely different level (7), the juubi's normal TBB is on a completely different level than that (8), the Juubi's super TBB would logically be on a totally different level than its normal (9) and 4 super juubidamas would be on a totally different level than just 1 (10).

I'd say the weakest people who can 'survive' it at point blank would be fully transformed Bee or Itachi w/ V4 susanoo with Yaata. Everyone else like Hashirama's buddah, Naruto's BM, Sasuke/Madara's giant Susanoos would all withstand it without a problem.

 

[ARGUS]

^^I don't see how V4 legless Susanoo tanks C0
Hirudora managed to break V3, and C0 is on a much higher scale

 

[lanakui8]

^^I don't see how V4 legless Susanoo tanks C0
Hirudora managed to break V3, and C0 is on a much higher scale

I didn't say V4 tanks C0, I said Itachi w/ V4 and Yaata 'survives' C0 as in doesn't die.

V4 is on another level both in defense and size than V3, and itachi has yaata which should be at least as durable as his V4 susanoo. Hirudorah's explosion is multiple kilometers if Gai doesn't condense it like he did against Madara, I don't see how V3 getting busted by that disproves V4 + Yaata surviving C0.

 

[ARGUS]

I didn't say V4 tanks C0, I said Itachi w/ V4 and Yaata 'survives' C0 as in doesn't die.

Ahh that i can agree with,

V4 is on another level both in defense and size than V3, and itachi has yaata which should be at least as durable as his V4 susanoo. Hirudorah's explosion is multiple kilometers if Gai doesn't condense it like he did against Madara, I don't see how V3 getting busted by that disproves V4 + Yaata surviving C0.

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, the susanoo that saved itachi was most likely V4, since BZ noted that

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, as for the size difference between V4 and V3, it really isnt that vast,

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all V4 does is add another layer to V3 susanoo, and has forms an armor around the body, the size difference really isnt that vast,

C0 is relevant since its

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, and has a DC higher than Kirin, which damaged V4 severely, as C0 is at the same ballpark as a mini-TBB which is definitely damaging V4 quite alot, if not than even destroy it,
in conclusion: C0 from point blank range is damaging V4 to a big extent, or most likely destroy it,

 

[wael reda]

If 10 is the biggest explosion we've seen in the manga (quad juubidama), and 1 is the smallest explosion we've seen (paper bombs?) Deidara's C0 would be around a 5 or 6.

His explosion was larger but still comparable in size to a normal TBB's explosion. Naruto's super TBB is on a completely different level (7), the juubi's normal TBB is on a completely different level than that (8), the Juubi's super TBB would logically be on a totally different level than its normal (9) and 4 super juubidamas would be on a totally different level than just 1 (10).

I'd say the weakest people who can 'survive' it at point blank would be fully transformed Bee or Itachi w/ V4 susanoo with Yaata. Everyone else like Hashirama's buddah, Naruto's BM, Sasuke/Madara's giant Susanoos would all withstand it without a problem.

C0 is much much much bigger than normal ttb 's explosion
It is even bigger than giant ttb 's explosion
It is 10 km in every direction ,I think it is comparable to jiubi's smallest ttb 's explosion in the size

 

[lanakui8]

C0 is much much much bigger than normal ttb 's explosion
It is even bigger than giant ttb 's explosion
It is 10 km in every direction ,I think it is comparable to jiubi's smallest ttb 's explosion in the size

by what logic do you assert any of that? Scans of size of bijuudamas?

10 kilometers isn't even impressive by bijuudama standards.

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, yet

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considering the hachibi is over 100 meters long when its tails are spread out.

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And that's despite having the extremely tall cone shape.

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and their blast isn't on the same level as the

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, the susanoo that saved itachi was most likely V4, since BZ noted that

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, as for the size difference between V4 and V3, it really isnt that vast,

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all V4 does is add another layer to V3 susanoo, and has forms an armor around the body, the size difference really isnt that vast,

I don't think itachi used a V4 to withstand kirin. I don't think so based on a couple reasons:
1) Itachi hasn't shown the ability to use instant V4 susanoo. He and sasuke have shown instant V3, but V4 usually takes some time.
2) If susanoo used yaata to shield itself, and yaata is a spiritual item that Itachi doesn't form with his own chakra, then yaata should have been busted after itachi used it to shield himself from the susanoo
3) hype. If BZ says Itachi is completely invincible w/ Susanoo and he gives no limits to yaata's defensive properties, then it implies that Itachi's susanoo should be a more powerful defense than what we've seen from Sasuke's offense in their fight.

Also, susanoo vary in height. If Itachi is using his

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sized

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it's going to be much larger than

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that hirudorah blew up.

C0 is relevant since its

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, and has a DC higher than Kirin, which damaged V4 severely, as C0 is at the same ballpark as a mini-TBB which is definitely damaging V4 quite alot, if not than even destroy it,
in conclusion: C0 from point blank range is damaging V4 to a big extent, or most likely destroy it,

I can agree with the conclusion and most of the reasoning, but I think C0 is stronger than normal TBBs which are in turn much stronger than mini-TBBs.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

If 10 is the biggest explosion we've seen in the manga (quad juubidama), and 1 is the smallest explosion we've seen (paper bombs?) Deidara's C0 would be around a 5 or 6.

His explosion was larger but still comparable in size to a normal TBB's explosion. Naruto's super TBB is on a completely different level (7), the juubi's normal TBB is on a completely different level than that (8), the Juubi's super TBB would logically be on a totally different level than its normal (9) and 4 super juubidamas would be on a totally different level than just 1 (10).

I'd say the weakest people who can 'survive' it at point blank would be fully transformed Bee or Itachi w/ V4 susanoo with Yaata. Everyone else like Hashirama's buddah, Naruto's BM, Sasuke/Madara's giant Susanoos would all withstand it without a problem.

A normal TBB doesn't reach ten kilo.

 

[lanakui8]

A normal TBB doesn't reach ten kilo.

....which is why I explicitly stated his explosions are larger than a normal TBB.

 

[ARGUS]

I don't think itachi used a V4 to withstand kirin. I don't think so based on a couple reasons:
1) Itachi hasn't shown the ability to use instant V4 susanoo. He and sasuke have shown instant V3, but V4 usually takes some time.

Susanoo activation has shown to be really quick, doesnt mattter which version, since all it requires is more chakra, i dont see why V4 would take more time than V3, and its most likely V4 that tanked kirin, seeing how

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furthermore, i dont see how this logic works, since

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2) If susanoo used yaata to shield itself, and yaata is a spiritual item that Itachi doesn't form with his own chakra, then yaata should have been busted after itachi used it to shield himself from the susanoo

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itachi has also never used the totsuka blade through any other susanoo variant, which makes me believe that only itachis final susanoo has the spiritual weapons
moreover, BZ stated that it was the Yata mirror that had deflected sasukes attacks

3) hype. If BZ says Itachi is completely invincible w/ Susanoo and he gives no limits to yaata's defensive properties, then it implies that Itachi's susanoo should be a more powerful defense than what we've seen from Sasuke's offense in their fight.

Well Itachi does solo,, and is invincible as stated by BZ Mangaphacts
doesnt matter if his yata has limits or not,
itachi still surivived the attack thanks to his susanoo, and thats all that matters, since thats all that was implied, as

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Also, susanoo vary in height. If Itachi is using his

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sized

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it's going to be much larger than

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that hirudorah blew up.

Susanoo size and properties vary from user to user,
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the size diifference isnt as immense as you have claimed it to be, since V4 susanoo is simply the result of an armor that coats around V3

I can agree with the conclusion and most of the reasoning, but I think C0 is stronger than normal TBBs which are in turn much stronger than mini-TBBs.

Debatable, AOE is different from the power of the jutsu,

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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To be fair C0 was vaporizing mountains in its 10km radius.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Anyone with good jutsu guard (Hashirama), speed to evade it (Minato), or a durable body (3rd raikage) tank it.

Third Raikage tanks c0? Oh god.

 

[VongolaX]

Deidara's C3 is on a village scale, so something like C0 would wipe out a good margin of the Forrest with some mountains.

You need something really dense to tank that explosion, it seemed like manda's body fit that category but ended up dying in the end.

 

[lanakui8]

Susanoo activation has shown to be really quick, doesnt mattter which version, since all it requires is more chakra, i dont see why V4 would take more time than V3, and its most likely V4 that tanked kirin, seeing how

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furthermore, i dont see how this logic works, since

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V4 takes more time than V3 because weʻve seen the higher susanoo states take longer to form than the lower ones, and this makes sense since we also know that the higher versions are built upon the lower ones.
We donʻt know when kakashi activated PS in that scan youʻve given, the focus was on sakura and kakashiʻs PS comes out of no where. Not only that but kakashi using rikudousenjutsu to activate PS isnʻt a good comparison to sick MS itachi using V4 susanoo.

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itachi has also never used the totsuka blade through any other susanoo variant, which makes me believe that only itachis final susanoo has the spiritual weapons
moreover, BZ stated that it was the Yata mirror that had deflected sasukes attacks

BZʻs statement about yaata deflecting sasukeʻs attacks logically could not have been about kirin since kirin was not deflected.
Itachi has used Yaata with V3, so they are not specific to his final susanoo, however they can only be brought out via his final susanoo.

doesnt matter if his yata has limits or not,
itachi still surivived the attack thanks to his susanoo, and thats all that matters, since thats all that was implied, as

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Iʻm not saying yaata has limits or not. Iʻm saying that when a technique is given no limits hype in a fight, then that usually means those no limits apply in the context of that fight. When Gai says kakashiʻs raikiri can cut through anything during Gaara vs Sasuke, it pretty much means that Sasukeʻs chidori > all of that Gaaraʻs defenses. When baki says ʻa blade of wind canʻt be stoppedʻ it pretty much means hayate canʻt stop a blade of wind.

Susanoo size and properties vary from user to user,
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the size diifference isnt as immense as you have claimed it to be, since V4 susanoo is simply the result of an armor that coats around V3

Sure the size varies from user to user, however the user can also vary the sizes.

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than EMS Sasuke did in that scan you gave.

That doesnʻt really matter anyways since the original point Iʻm addressing was your statement about hirudorah busting madaraʻs V3. Therefore you compare Itachiʻs maximum V4 to Madaraʻs V3 and we see thereʻs a huge size difference.

Debatable, AOE is different from the power of the jutsu,

Not if we are talking about explosions. If both jutsu produce literal explosions, then the jutsu that makes the larger explosion is the more powerful jutsu. C0 and bijuudamas both are just giant explosions, they arenʻt some special kind of damaging shape like fuuton rasenshurikenʻs wind sphere or dust releaseʻs laserbeams/constructs so they can be compared directly in size.