[Discussion] Did the most recent chapter give anyone else the urge to quit reading the manga???

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So is naruto currently a looser huh?
Neji choose his path himself and the outcome was same and Dat was not the destiny/path he was sprouting about VS naruto so

Somehow you've completely managed to miss the point. He and I are not saying naruto is a loser but we're saying that based on everything that's transpired neji has been proven correct. Naruto was born into the role of a person who was meant to start out as a "failure" or a "loser" according to his peers and he was also born into the role of a person who could overcome all these obstacles and become a "hero". Everything that's happened was pretty much planned out considering the fact that both naruto and sasuke are reincarnations and that they were both pawns in kaguya's/black zetsu's plan.
 

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I think you've pointed out that which Kishi is well aware of. Neji's fate is analogous to what is occurring in Narutoverse. A trapped bird in a cage is exactly the condition that everyone in Narutoverse is dealing with. The true antagonists goal is to manipulate events (i.e. create fate) to keep everyone trapped in the cage. Naruto's objective is to free Narutoverse from the grip of the antagonist who has thus far been successful in manipulating everyone and everything, even other so called antagonists.
 

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The urge to quit the Manga? No, exactly the opposite - who in their right mind would quit the Manga when it's so close to the end?

However, i do agree with you on points 1, 2 and 3. The fourth one is just a no - first of all, personally i'd kinda feel bad to throw someone in jail after playing a huge role in saving the world multiple times for killing a few fodders and a non-official Hokage that's better off dead, wouldn't you? Second, since Obito is, apparently, a cool guy, then Sasuke should be a saint. Third, someone's yet to touch this particular issue, and now the time is right.

I think you're just angry with the sub-par quality of the Manga lately, but quitting the Manga isn't wording it right. You're better off just baring with it. Sad, but true.

I will rep you for the "something similar to a video game ending". I've been searching the right words to describe Hagoromo's cheesy statement, and that fits perfectly.
 

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I think you've pointed out that which Kishi is well aware of. Neji's fate is analogous to what is occurring in Narutoverse. A trapped bird in a cage is exactly the condition that everyone in Narutoverse is dealing with. The true antagonists goal is to manipulate events (i.e. create fate) to keep everyone trapped in the cage. Naruto's objective is to free Narutoverse from the grip of the antagonist who has thus far been successful in manipulating everyone and everything, even other so called antagonists.


Touche good sir, touche. This fight was still anti-climactic though.
 

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I've been following Naruto for wayyyyy to long to stop now.
 

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Somehow you've completely managed to miss the point. He and I are not saying naruto is a loser but we're saying that based on everything that's transpired neji has been proven correct. Naruto was born into the role of a person who was meant to start out as a "failure" or a "loser" according to his peers and he was also born into the role of a person who could overcome all these obstacles and become a "hero". Everything that's happened was pretty much planned out considering the fact that both naruto and sasuke are reincarnations and that they were both pawns in kaguya's/black zetsu's plan.

i know
child of prophecy was the crapiest thing that happened to naruto's char
also uzumaki genetics;being hokage's son;ashura's reincarnation and shorcuts he used while leaning SM and FRS add fuel to fire
 
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You skipped over replying to my post which destroyed one of your pionts.
 

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yeah this chapter was pretty lame
 

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wow just wow
So is naruto is currently a looser huh?
Neji choose his path himself and the outcome was same but Dat was not the destiny/path he was sprouting about VS naruto so

If understand anything going on you would know neji is right.
Naruto was destined to save the world he is the reincarnation ashura
ASHURA WAS ALSO A LOSER IDIOT he LATER taps into his true power (JUST LIKE NARUTO)
With the help of all his loved ones
Nejis destiny is connected with naruto's
All neji did was change his state of mind he never at all changed his destiny
Ashura throughout his life also changed people through his ideals of achieving world peace with love t
These are the same ideals that changed neji
You can certainly change your state of mind of something
But the outcome is same neji didn't understand his true destiny
Naruto and sasuke were always on track of their true destiny be quiet
Put in you're rightful place
 

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1) All this proved to me is that Neji was correct about everything. The original premise of the disagreement between naruto and neji was predicated on the fact that neji believed in pre-determinism, that people were born into a certain fate and no matter what they did that fate and outcome could never be changed. Naruto was born into the role of a failure who was destined to establish his role in his community and become "the savior of the world" through finding his purpose through his community instead of seeking to promote his own agenda in a vengeful disempowered context such as "becoming hokage to get respect from people and be acknowledged". Sasuke was born into the role of a person who's s fearful and so mistrusting that he places a heavier emphasis on his on perspective and well being hence the reason he's so calculating and arrogant. It's a defense mechanism. Not only that but after finding out that everything transpired the way it had because of a plan devised by black zetsu lends further credence to neji's theory.

You misconceived Neji's notion. He stated all people born losers stay losers. Naruto stated that wasn't the case and proved it. And I'm about sick and tired of hearing this same misconception every week.

2) After realizing he'd written himself into a wall kishi managed to pull the biggest ass pull of all ass pulls by creating a villain who was supposed to be more powerful but was easily defeated within the course of 6 chapters

*Twelve chapters. And nothing about it was easy. They required Kakashi, Sakura, Hagoromo, all the kages, Obito, all the bijuus and several strategies throughout all these chapters to wear her out and corner her. And you lost all objectivity in your criticism by calling something you did not enjoy an "ass pull." It's called a deus ex machina by the way, and you are using it in the wrong context, though most on this site does anyway.

and at the end of all of it we're treated to something similar to a video game ending. He may as well have said "congratulations you've won!! you managed to save the world and become the moon masters!"

Many video games possess amazing narratives in my opinion, though I'm not seeing the parallel you're drawing here.

3) Now we're lead to believe there's going to be a final fight between naruto and sasuke even though it was well established that because they have a yin/ yang relationship and are evenly matched the likelyhood of one existing without the other is low.

"We?" You are one person mr. "we are legion!" Do not generalize your subjective interpretations with myself and others. It agitates me. The manga is not over yet and the prophecy states they will still fight.

4) Sasuke is pretty much an enemy of the state and people are perfectly fine pretending nothing happened. Where's the justice?!?!?!

Right, just like all the shinibi nations forgot all the far worse deeds over the last century they've done to each other. The people you are speaking of have little to no control over the situation and this is a war. If they wasted time antagonizing each other like morons, they'd be annihilated by the real enemy.

This is BULL.

And what exactly does whining about it do? If you want to criticize something, be my guest, but don't generalize myself or others with your random, invalid interpretations while having the audacity to refer to your soapy rants as actual criticism. Never did like salsa. The food and especially the music.

By the way, rules and regulations state to refer to the stickied chapter discussion threads rather than randomly making your own, oh "holier than thou."

I can't understand men. When a woman has a logical argument they always resort to an amalgamation of ad hominem arguments and over generalizations instead of developing a valid argument that happens to be substantiated with evidence.

When you generalize people with your own self-righteous interpretations, you open yourself up to ad hominem. Furthermore, if you misinterpret or bash things, which you clearly did, people have the right to call you out on them. You stated people can demonstrate their opinions? This is true, including opinions towards those who give opinions.
 
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Wrong Neji originally believe all outcomes were pre destine,that Naruto would still be a nobody and Hinata would never improve. Well they both proved Old Neji wrong, your destiny is determine by you,by the actions you take or don't take.
 

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Sasuke's fate in the world of the shinobi is yet undetermined. Its still possible he will be tried for his crimes, its up to the alliance. Kaguya's portrayal in the manga was limited but the arc had been dragged on long enough, it was better for it to end sooner rather than later. Naruto might have been fated to be a savior contrary to his beliefs in part 1, but he still grew and gained respect before knowing that. Therefore, the essential character development and importance of that development is still there.
 

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No not really, I've gotten uninterested in this arc to be honest so I'm glad to see it ending so we can finally wrap things up and see Naruto vs. Sasuke and the ending.

Edit: didn't read the op before I posted, have nothing to say about that though.

Its not ending Kaguya/rabbit is still loose.
 

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No. Too late to quit, unless there is a Part 3 because then I will stop.

I, however, have thought the entire war arc has been just shit for the most part.
 
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i think the great toad elder,or something along those lines said the child would be a saviour or would bring about great destruction to the world soo yeah he could've gone either way,we don't know whether naruto and sasuke were the transmigrants of indra and ashura from birth,from what i understand the sage said ashura CHOSE naruto(chapter 671 page 11),unless he could tell the future i doubt he knew how naruto would turn out meaning naruto had to grow up and be a certain type of person fro ashura to chose him,if that is the case then nothing was pre-determined for naruto but he worked his blonde a$$ off to be the kind of person he is.

long story made short,Neji was wrong naruto was right,naruto kinda worked for what he got,although neji was not part of the main family he ended upp being chosen over hinata,who is the first child of the main family, to lead the hyuga clan during the war.If that is not setting your own destiny then i guess i don't know what

P.S:just because you don't like the way the manga is going or a character getting a power up doesn't mean the manga is horrible,judge not based on your personal preferences but on how good or bad the writting
 
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If understand anything going on you would know neji is right.
Naruto was destined to save the world he is the reincarnation ashura
ASHURA WAS ALSO A LOSER IDIOT he LATER taps into his true power (JUST LIKE NARUTO)
With the help of all his loved ones
Nejis destiny is connected with naruto's
All neji did was change his state of mind he never at all changed his destiny
Ashura throughout his life also changed people through his ideals of achieving world peace with love t
These are the same ideals that changed neji
You can certainly change your state of mind of something
But the outcome is same neji didn't understand his true destiny
Naruto and sasuke were always on track of their true destiny be quiet
Put in you're rightful place
Lol go look at gyakusetsu's post on the first page proving you wrong. There's an even more obvious example of deciding your destiny that will happen when everything is settled without a death between Naruto and Sasuke which will break the cycle of hatred which will in turn defy their supposed destiny. Put in YOUR rightful place you ****ing moron.
 
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