[VS] Orochimaru vs Kakashi and Gai

[TheEvilOne]

Additional 8branches used by Shadow or Parasite Clones Orochimaru can produce.

Oh, so a fanfiction.

 

[Nattana]

Oh, so a fanfiction.

Lol what fanfiction? Shadow and Parasite clones can use Ninjutsu and transformations. Orochimaru has one of the biggest chakra pools in NV (excluding likes of current Naruto etc.) - he was able to invoke Senjutsu, chakra control and reserves praised by Kisame and Nagato, now everything powered-up by full Hashi DNA body.

 

[blazekev90]

Lol what fanfiction? Shadow and Parasite clones can use Ninjutsu and transformations. Orochimaru has one of the biggest chakra pools in NV (excluding likes of current Naruto etc.) - he was able to invoke Senjutsu, chakra control and reserves praised by Kisame and Nagato, now everything powered-up by full Hashi DNA body.

He doesn't even need a huge chakra pool it perform this jutsu. Orochimaru used that transformation with little to no chakra, as transformations usually don't require chakra to begin with.

Lol part 1 Orochimaru could perform this ability.

 

[KidGamer65]

What is their counter to multiple 8branches or hell - even single 8branches?

When you can prove Orochimaru can split his chakra with clones and pull off his strongest jutsu, then we can talk about multiple Eight Branches. Kamui rapes a singular one, or it just warps the head where Orochimaru's body is.

 

[Nattana]

When you can prove Orochimaru can split his chakra with clones and pull off his strongest jutsu, then we can talk about multiple Eight Branches. Kamui rapes a singular one, or it just warps the head where Orochimaru's body is.

In case you didn't know, Shadow Clones split chakra in half by default. Also, there's no way Kakashi could Kamui something as big as 8branches while being constantly pressured by its heads or having his vision obscured by Hidden Snakes used as meat shields, Fuuton or clone feints.

 

[paratise]

How is Orochimaru killing them?

He is not much of a heavy hitter he is mainly hard to kill. The guy is not immortal Gai pummels him and gives an opening to Kakashi enough for using kamui.

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi solos. They aren't even comparable since the moment Kakashi mastered his eyes ability. The only Kakashi Orochimaru could defeat was the part1 out of shape version

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How is Orochimaru killing them?

He is not much of a heavy hitter he is mainly hard to kill. The guy is not immortal Gai pummels him and gives an opening to Kakashi enough for using kamui.

Damaging him too much without finishing him off quick is also bad for Team 1. Orochimaru has the ability to produce white snakes, which vaporizes poison in the air.

IMO, a drawn out battle leads to Orochimaru's victory. If not Duo takes this

 

[TheEvilOne]

When you can prove Orochimaru can split his chakra with clones and pull off his strongest jutsu, then we can talk about multiple Eight Branches. Kamui rapes a singular one, or it just warps the head where Orochimaru's body is.

This, exactly this.

Nattana is like DrProof, he is making baseless theories about his favorit character. And no offence, I like you, but you are overrating Orochimaru way too much.

 

[Conspirator.]

Kamui GG. Nattana needs to stop overrating Orochimaru. I still remember when he said that Oro is faster than Kisame underwater. LOL!

 

[KidGamer65]

In case you didn't know, Shadow Clones split chakra in half by default. Also, there's no way Kakashi could Kamui something as big as 8branches while being constantly pressured by its heads or having his vision obscured by Hidden Snakes used as meat shields, Fuuton or clone feints.

I know. That is exactly the problem here.

He doesn't need to warp it away. He only needs to warp the head Orochimaru lies in away. Orochimaru hasn't shown to use Hidden Snakes the size of the Eight Branches head, and being pressured by its heads isn't going to stop him from looking at one of them, which is all it takes to warp one away.

Clone feints while in Eight Branches? lmao, do you even know how feints work? Cause you wouldn't say clone feints are a factor here when Orochimaru is using Eight Branches, and Oro's Fuuton is trash.

 

[Nattana]

I know. That is exactly the problem here.

He doesn't need to warp it away. He only needs to warp the head Orochimaru lies in away. Orochimaru hasn't shown to use Hidden Snakes the size of the Eight Branches head, and being pressured by its heads isn't going to stop him from looking at one of them, which is all it takes to warp one away.

Clone feints while in Eight Branches? lmao, do you even know how feints work? Cause you wouldn't say clone feints are a factor here when Orochimaru is using Eight Branches, and Oro's Fuuton is trash.

Orochimaru doesn't have to reveal his body to fight in 8branches so there's no Kamui snipe. Current Oro's Hidden Snakes are several times bigger than a human, so them acting as meat shields isn't impossible.

By clone feints I meant Orochimaru swapping places with his Shadow Clones - a feat he showed during his fight with Anko.

His Fuuton might not be the strongest out there, but it covers helluva area and is more than enough to blind Kakashi.

Also, they have no counter to Mayfly+Kusanagi snipe, especially that during Mayfly - the user cannot be sensed.

 

[KidGamer65]

Orochimaru doesn't have to reveal his body to fight in 8branches so there's no Kamui snipe. Current Oro's Hidden Snakes are several times bigger than a human, so them acting as meat shields isn't impossible.

Or he just warps all the heads away at once with one large Kamui barrier, and that's a wrap for it.

Many Times bigger than a human doesn't mean its as big as the Hydra's head.

By clone feints I meant Orochimaru swapping places with his Shadow Clones - a feat he showed during his fight with Anko.

If he's not using Eight Branches, then sure. But he's not fast enough to feint Kamui nor will he pull of a feint against Kamui when Kakashi has Gai, who is many times faster than Orochimaru, on his side., so it doesn't even matter.

His Fuuton might not be the strongest out there, but it covers helluva area and is more than enough to blind Kakashi.

Since when could Orochimaru's Fuuton blind someone? Its just wind. No visible form IIRC.

Also, they have no counter to Mayfly+Kusanagi snipe, especially that during Mayfly - the user cannot be sensed.

They can each react to the Kusanagi strike (Which isn't any where close to instant) and evade, especially Gai. Doesn't matter if the user can be sensed since he'll have to reveal himself to attack.

 

[ATD]

War arc Kakashi with one MS + Guy 7 gates are to much for Orochimaru.
The duo wins med-high diff.
If oro lays on the ground spying his sea of snakes he is an easy target for kamui.
Big summons of Oro will be defeated by guys afternoon tiger or morning peacock.
they must kill Oro 5 times until he gets drained out, but kamui and guys speed would allow this, at the end the duo has used a lot of chakra, but they won.

 

[Nattana]

Or he just warps all the heads away at once with one large Kamui barrier, and that's a wrap for it.

The whole Hydra is Orochimaru. Him warping all heads isn't doing a shit.

Many Times bigger than a human doesn't mean its as big as the Hydra's head.

They don't have to be as big as the Hydra's head. It's enough if they close the distance so the perspective won't allow Kakashi to snipe anything. Moreover, Orochimaru can easily deal with Kakashi sniping some Hydra's heads, especially that in the meantime he'd get poisoned and killed by Hidden Snakes/Snake Glare Snakes poison.

If he's not using Eight Branches, then sure. But he's not fast enough to feint Kamui nor will he pull of a feint against Kamui when Kakashi has Gai, who is many times faster than Orochimaru, on his side., so it doesn't even matter.

I don't have detailed info on Kakashi's Kamui speed so it's hard for me to reply, but Orochimaru can switch with his clones without any hand seals or anything, so it all comes down to Oro's reactions, which are of very high level.

Since when could Orochimaru's Fuuton blind someone? Its just wind. No visible form IIRC.

I didn't mean it would blind them with something.

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I meant that the wind would force them to at least partially close their eyes.

They can each react to the Kusanagi strike (Which isn't any where close to instant) and evade, especially Gai. Doesn't matter if the user can be sensed since he'll have to reveal himself to attack.

I mean the same Kusanagi strike Orochimaru used against Kyuubiruto. Direct his into one's foot stright from beneath the ground. But this time Orochimaru can prepare for his attack with undetectable Mayfly instead of Hiding Like a Mole. Reaction speed to something you know is coming isn't equal to reactions to surprise and sneak attacks. They can't dodge something they cannot even expect to happen. Hell, even Kaguya didn't react to Sakura's surprise assault despite the fact that she had noticed her before it happened.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

If oro lays on the ground spying his sea of snakes he is an easy target for kamui.

Having Kamui ready to use for long range isn't easy to use as you think.

He should that in chapter 595. [

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]. Once he activates it, when it comes to long range he will need to built enough chakra to warp better from the distance. He has show this while Guy and Naruto was fighting Obito. Then later around the

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he was ready to use it

 

[Bogard]

This fanfic Orochimaru you people are creating giving him Zetsu abilities needs to stop. Until proven otherwise, Orochimaru can't perform them and it's not because he has a Zetsu body that we should give him their abilities

To use techniques, it comes down to skills. Some of them requires years of training time to create/perform them(if you could even perform them to begin with). Even Uchiha geniuses like Sasuke(surpassing Orochimaru's own to his own admission [

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Spiral Zetsu was surprised that Obito who possess half a Zetsu body had the skills to perform the Mokuton sashiki so fast without training [

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], telling him he now knows why Madara choosed him(because of his quick learning potential).

At least half Obito's body is made of Zetsu(cells he controls perfectly unlike others like Danzo on his own admission), he has full knowledge on them for obvious reasons even more so than Orochimaru, yet he never showed the capability to use their ninjutsu like mayfly, sensing, telepathy, spore clones and so on. There is nothing that suggest Orochimaru's capability to use them even with his knowledge.

Like i've mentioned above, to create/perform a technique, it requires some times years of training(if you even can), giving the example of a genius above Orochimaru(Sasuke) who was uncapable to use a C-Rank Katon technique despite having being taught the seals of the jutsu a while ago already. If Orochimaru could use the mayfly technique for example, he would have used it to reach Sasuke(when he was dying) faster since the jutsu allows the user to cover large distances at high speed.

Orochimaru was worried about going as fast as possible to reach Sasuke especially after hearing about the mysterious guy, with Jugo suspecting he wants to take his body, yet he didn't think about using the mayfly technique when it's much faster, for the simple reason for me that he can't perform the technique

Talking about sensing, Orochimaru already showed he lacked the ability, relying on Karin instead, when we know that Zetsus are powerful sensors.

So again, nothing and i say nothing shows or even implies Orochimaru could use Zetsu techniques, whether he has a Zetsu body or not

 

[ATD]

Having Kamui ready to use for long range isn't easy to use as you think.

He should that in chapter 595. [

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>

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]. Once he activates it, when it comes to long range he will need to built enough chakra to warp better from the distance. He has show this while Guy and Naruto was fighting Obito. Then later around the

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he was ready to use it

i think in the picture you showed we are talking about a few hundred meters.
But there are other ways to counter the sea of snakes.
Going underground or kakashi drowns them with water vortex, water dragon.

 

[wael reda]

gai and kakashi wins low/mid diff and kakashi can solo

 

[Braiyan]

Gai and Kakashi win pretty handily. Guy goes 6th Gate and takes care of snake summon spam with tsunami level Asa Kujaku, then blitzes Oro and sets him up for a Kamui snipe from Kakashi.