To whoever thinks that Base Sasuke's chakra=base Naruto's

[LuckyMan]

naruto has big pool of quality chakra too .

Thats from being Uzumaki.

 

[Howling Fox]

The gap is nowhere near that big. Base Naruto and Sasuke are evenly matched. They're as close to equals as it gets in base forms.

i disagree cuz base = no sharingan. Saskukeh w/ no sharingan is iruka level because that means no chidori/no genjutsu/no precog and he has no curse mark to fall on anymore. its basically just a teenage version of land of waves Sasukeh

base naruto and 3 tomoe sasukeh are pretty equal tho ill give u that.

When?What part of the story? Part 1? Fire style,Lightining style,High Speed Taijutsu.Begining of part 2 to the War - obvoius,Sasuke speed blitzed Naruto when they met up,and before then owned Naruto and Sai with that Chidori release attack.Naruto can't use FRS unless he's in SM and even if he could that still deosn't beat Sasuke - Fire Style Lightining style and Speed - Grand Fire Ball Jutsu + Kirin = Complete ownage.

why do Sasko fans say that he blitzed anybody then?

Sai blocked his attack everybody else stood still. then yamato said "i should stop holding back!" and fight was done. kirin is a worthless jutsu cuz it requires amaterasu to heat up the sky which base sasko doesnt have and the prep is retarded high.

base naruto blocked and traded blows with deva pain when sage mode ran out he got the drop on kakuzu he blocked omoi and karui swords and caught sakura with clones and taijutsu attacks. base Sasko speared a 99% dead orochimaru, used some elemental advantage and curse mark against deidara and then got beaten up by deathbed itachi. base = no sharingan = no chidori/no precog/no genjutsu/no copying anyway. base naruto is just better than base sasukeh U_U especially in chakra

kid naruto already tanked a full blast fire style so thats worthless anyway and he got hit by madaras too and only said it was hot.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

their base speed after pain arc equals

their base taijutsu stat equals too (and sasuke turning his taijutsu skills into kenjutsu)

his normal katon was useless against base naruto

How did his speed equal to Naruto's? Are you thinking of how he was able to grab Sakura right before Sasuke was about to stab her? Naruto was already running to where they were so we can assume that when he got there and saw Sasuke he never stopped stopped running.It's not like Naruto was standing still,then he sees Sasuke inches away from stabbing Sakura and then he moved to save her.

Sasuke showed more speed in base than Naruto has ever.He far out beat anyspeed base Naruto had,& when was his Katon useless? He only used it twice against him - 1) On the Roff top which took out most of Naruto's clones and 2)In the Final Valley where Naruto was in One Tails mode so he was sheilded by the Kyuubi's Chakra.

 

[Genjin]

Why are you ignoring Naruto, when he's right there in his monologue? If he's comparing Sasuke, then he's not comparing Naruto? God, dude. Just stop. You are just twisting the scan because it proves you wrong. Kakashi is stating that both of them have large reserves. Case closed.

Based on what? Bring out at least some manga proof and I would gladly accept it that I am wrong. So far, you have nothing on you.

Irrelevant. Hashirama has nothing to do with this argument, nor does it have anything to do with Naruto. You are seeing what you want to see. Whether they were relevant or not is irrelevant. What kind of logic is that? I am posting the scans yet again:

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- It's Indra that inherited large reserves. Sasuke is Indra's reincarnation. He inherited Sage's chakra. Unless you believe that Sage's chakra is only potent and lacks volume. Then you have no argument.

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- Chapter 398, Page 18.

Again with these stupid scans along with the statements that goes with it. wWHERE IN THAT PAGE STATED THAT HE INHERITED LARGE RESERVES OF CHAKRA? TELL ME.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Does it prove that they don't or Naruto's reserves are much larger? Thought so.

Sasuke has never made a Kage Bushin. Your argument is still as invalid as it can get. You have zero evidence to prove to me that Sasuke has smaller reserves. Until you don't, your arguments are not valid.

So Indra inherited the term and not the reserve itself? Lol This doesn't even make any sense. He inherited his chakra. Case closed. You can try and play at this all you want. Doesn't matter to me.

What was he trying to say? Please, open my eyes.

does it prove that their chakra is equal? you're under the fantasy that because kakashi compared them to sakura, they have equal chakra reserves.

If Sasuke had enough chakra he would have utilized them just like how itachi used them. But he can't afford that, because his chakra in half makes him fodder

Really, because both madara and hashirama had quality and quantity. Hashirama's first chakra feat was almost destroying a house by releasing chakra, while madara's was when kurama deemed his chakra more evil than his own. All reincarnations are like this.

Again kakashi's point was that they had more chakra than sakura, not necessarily being equal to each other

 

[shelke]

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Again with these stupid scans along with the statements that goes with it. wWHERE IN THAT PAGE STATED THAT HE INHERITED LARGE RESERVES OF CHAKRA? TELL ME.

Are you really that stupid? He states that he inherited his chakra. What more do you want to know? You sound like a blithering idiot.

does it prove that their chakra is equal? you're under the fantasy that because kakashi compared them to sakura, they have equal chakra reserves.

If Sasuke had enough chakra he would have utilized them just like how itachi used them. But he can't afford that, because his chakra in half makes him fodder

Really, because both madara and hashirama had quality and quantity. Hashirama's first chakra feat was almost destroying a house by releasing chakra, while madara's was when kurama deemed his chakra more evil than his own. All reincarnations are like this.

Again kakashi's point was that they had more chakra than sakura, not necessarily being equal to each other

Does it prove that his chakra quantity is smaller?

I asked you a question - what is stopping Sasuke from making them now? That alone makes your whole argument invalid. As despite having half the reserves from sage, he still isn't making any Kage Bushins.

Don't compare Hashirama to Naruto, when his base reserves by canon are far above Naruto's. It's not even a comparison. Madara had large reserves as well. Extremely large reserves. I already posted a scan for that. Look into it if you have time.

Again, Kakashi's point was that both of them had more chakra than her. How does that prove your point?

 

[Genjin]

Does it prove that they don't or Naruto's reserves are much larger? Thought so.

Sasuke has never made a Kage Bushin. Your argument is still as invalid as it can get. You have zero evidence to prove to me that Sasuke has smaller reserves. Until you don't, your arguments are not valid.

So Indra inherited the term and not the reserve itself? Lol This doesn't even make any sense. He inherited his chakra. Case closed. You can try and play at this all you want. Doesn't matter to me.

What was he trying to say? Please, open my eyes.

Last time I remembered, there's 3 forms of chakra; Spiritual, Normal and Nature. That being said, Indra inherited the Spiritual chakra hence why the Uchiha's doesn't have much chakra compared to Ashura's incarnations. Compare Naruto fights to Sasuke fights. Hashirama vs Madara fights.

Are you really that stupid? He states that he inherited his chakra. What more do you want to know? You sound like a blithering idiot.

Are we even reading the same manga or what? Lmao. Go give yourself a high five.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

i disagree cuz base = no sharingan. Saskukeh w/ no sharingan is iruka level because that means no chidori/no genjutsu/no precog and he has no curse mark to fall on anymore. its basically just a teenage version of land of waves Sasukeh

base naruto and 3 tomoe sasukeh are pretty equal tho ill give u that.


why do Sasko fans say that he blitzed anybody then?

Sai blocked his attack everybody else stood still. then yamato said "i should stop holding back!" and fight was done. kirin is a worthless jutsu cuz it requires amaterasu to heat up the sky which base sasko doesnt have and the prep is retarded high.

base naruto blocked and traded blows with deva pain when sage mode ran out he got the drop on kakuzu he blocked omoi and karui swords and caught sakura with clones and taijutsu attacks. base Sasko speared a 99% dead orochimaru, used some elemental advantage and curse mark against deidara and then got beaten up by deathbed itachi. base = no sharingan = no chidori/no precog/no genjutsu/no copying anyway. base naruto is just better than base sasukeh U_U especially in chakra

kid naruto already tanked a full blast fire style so thats worthless anyway and he got hit by madaras too and only said it was hot.

Sasuke was standing at the top of the hill and an a instant he got to where Naruto was.Noone was able to keep up with his speed.Sasuke talked to Naruto while slowly pulling out his Sword then talked alittle more telling Naruto he should of spent his time training rather than chasing after him,then he began to try to hit Naruto with his Sword which Sai stopped.

Sasuke can use the Chidori without the Sharingan.The Sharingan helps read the opponents movements thus allowing them to easily counter any possible reactions the opponent may have from seeing the Chidori heading there way.It's not absolutely neccessary to use the Sharingan with the Chidori.Kirin deosn't require Amaterasu either - Sasuke shot a 2 or 3 Grand Fire Ball Techniques into the skill and that was enough.


When did Naruto tank Sasuke Fire Style? The only time base Naruto faced it was on the roof top which beat most of Naruto's clones from just 1 attack.Also after Sai blocked Sasuke's Sword,Sasuke lifted Naruto up with 1 hand then did his Chidori variant attack - both Sai and Naruto got owned.

Deidara had flight advantage over Sasuke,that makes up for the Elemental advantage,and he had Tobi's help.Tobi planted Deidara's land mines underground,Sasuke only went into CM to counter that by placing his sword into the ground and using that as a boost to jump of off so he could get to Deidara.He used the CM's Wings to fly alittle. Despite Sasuke having to go up against two people - Tobi placing the Landmines underground and Deidara being High in the Air out of range,Sasuke still used Deidara and Tobi's plan against them by outsmarting them - Sasuke made Deidara fall into the Landmines.

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Because Kurama said Indras chakra was more sinister and powerful than his own does that mean Sasuke and Madara has more chakra than it? Absolutely not. Power refers to the quality of the chakra not the quantity! So stop with the Uchiha got powerful chakra hurrrr durrrrr crap.

The Kyuubi specifically said Sasuke has more sinister Chakra than he deos.Just because Sasuke is Indra's Riencarnation deosn't mean he's 100 percent Indra and all his power is from him.Sasuke's still in individual.No two people have the exact same Chakra.

 

[shelke]

Last time I remembered, there's 3 forms of chakra; Spiritual, Normal and Nature. That being said, Indra inherited the Spiritual chakra hence why the Uchiha's doesn't have much chakra compared to Ashura's incarnations. Compare Naruto fights to Sasuke fights. Hashirama vs Madara fights.

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Sage: "One Inherited my strong chakra genes ... the difference was extreme. The older ... no good Ashura." "To have the same power as his brother, he needed effort." "Through suffering and hardwork ... chakra bloomed within his body and he gained the same power as his brother."

The sage disagrees.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Are you really that stupid? He states that he inherited his chakra. What more do you want to know? You sound like a blithering idiot.



Does it prove that his chakra quantity is smaller?

I asked you a question - what is stopping Sasuke from making them now? That alone makes your whole argument invalid. As despite having half the reserves from sage, he still isn't making any Kage Bushins.

Don't compare Hashirama to Naruto, when his base reserves by canon are far above Naruto's. It's not even a comparison. Madara had large reserves as well. Extremely large reserves. I already posted a scan for that. Look into it if you have time.

Again, Kakashi's point was that both of them had more chakra than her. How does that prove your point?

feats my man

Again feats. We've seen the extent of his chakra levels, and we can see that he can't make as many clones as naruto, he would be to drained by dividing and maintaining his clones

I'm not comparing naruto's reserves to hashirama's. My point is about the reincarnations. Sasuke's potency has been compared to madara, known for his quality of chakra, while naruto has been compared to hashirama, known for his quantity of chakra.

The point is that you're concluding because of that statement is that just because kakashi said both of their chakra levels are huge, then it means they have the same quantity of chakra.

I'm sure you remember Naruto's fight with kurama
Kurama was out of his seal cage, which means his chakra was not leaking into naruto's chakra network. Naruto was making a ton of clones

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yes they were using chakra because kurama clearly feeling kushina's chakra.
kurama could have killed naruto, which makes it real world like
This is base naruto without kurama's influence

 

[shelke]

feats my man

Again feats. We've seen the extent of his chakra levels, and we can see that he can't make as many clones as naruto, he would be to drained by dividing and maintaining his clones

I'm not comparing naruto's reserves to hashirama's. My point is about the reincarnations. Sasuke's potency has been compared to madara, known for his quality of chakra, while naruto has been compared to hashirama, known for his quantity of chakra.

The point is that you're concluding because of that statement is that just because kakashi said both of their chakra levels are huge, then it means they have the same quantity of chakra.

I'm sure you remember Naruto's fight with kurama
Kurama was out of his seal cage, which means his chakra was not leaking into naruto's chakra network. Naruto was making a ton of clones

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yes they were using chakra because kurama clearly feeling kushina's chakra.

This is base naruto without kurama's influence

I'll keep this mighty short, as I am getting tired of arguing with throngs of people:

Sasuke's feats prove just as much. An example would be when he was literally out of chakra and summoned anyway, and summoning is a taxing technique. When he fought Itachi he was using a substantial amount of chakra to keep Orochimaru suppressed as well.

I have posted three scans above with dialogues. They also provide solid evidence that both incarnations had comparable chakra. Unless, the sage is lying. No where does he state that one had volume and one had potency.

I am trying to show you manga proof that Sasuke's reserves are large.

That happened in his head. Show me proof that he ever did that without Kurama outside it before the whole KCM and BM business.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I'll keep this mighty short, as I am getting tired of arguing with throngs of people:

Sasuke's feats prove just as much. An example would be when he was literally out of chakra and summoned anyway, and summoning is a taxing technique. When he fought Itachi he was using a substantial amount of chakra to keep Orochimaru suppressed as well.

I have posted three scans above with dialogues. They also provide solid evidence that both incarnations had comparable chakra. Unless, the sage is lying. No where does he state that one had volume and one had potency.

I am trying to show you manga proof that Sasuke's reserves are large.

That happened in his head. Show me proof that he ever did that without Kurama outside it before the whole KCM and BM business.

I would expect part 2 sasuke to have more chakra than part one naruto Lol

if madara had the same chakra quantity of hashirama he would have stomped him.

I never denied his reserves were small, but not on naruto's level

Naruto was using all of his powers in the real world in his head, so was kurama and kushina. That was a kurama out side of the seal, which means naruto was using his own chakra, and his chakra wasn't getting mixed up with kurama's

 

[shelke]

I would expect part 2 sasuke to have more chakra than part one naruto Lol

if madara had the same chakra quantity of hashirama he would have stomped him.

I never denied his reserves were small, but not on naruto's level

Naruto was using all of his powers in the real world in his head, so was kurama and kushina. That was a kurama out side of the seal, which means naruto was using his own chakra, and his chakra wasn't getting mixed up with kurama's

Hashirama's SM gave him the win. Whether he had just as much reserves as Madara? Who knows. But your analogy for Hashirama is pointless to begin with, as Naruto's reserves are laughable in comparison to Hashirama's.

Proof is what you lack, which is why all of this is hypothetical.

Real world and in his head? Okay, if that makes sense to you. Naruto had never pulled that Rasangan before. In fact, in SM form, two FRS knocked out all of his chakra if he made two clones to knead Senjutsu. That is your proof.

I am not agreeing, until you show me how Sasuke's reserves are small by comparison. Bring a scan next time. Otherwise, I am done repeating the same things over and over again.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Hashirama's SM gave him the win. Whether he had just as much reserves as Madara? Who knows. But your analogy for Hashirama is pointless to begin with, as Naruto's reserves are laughable in comparison to Hashirama's.

Proof is what you lack, which is why all of this is hypothetical.

Real world and in his head? Okay, if that makes sense to you. Naruto had never pulled that Rasangan before. In fact, in SM form, two FRS knocked out all of his chakra if he made two clones to knead Senjutsu. That is your proof.

I am not agreeing, until you show me how Sasuke's reserves are small by comparison. Bring a scan next time. Otherwise, I am done repeating and same things over and over again.

I'm not saying naruto has the same chakra quantity as hashi. Sasuke might be less sinister than madara, because he did forgive the village

Naruto pulled the same rasengans when fighting pain's summons. In fight with kurama he went in sage mode twice, which each time he used one frs. His feats inside his head are very close to real world.

Really all that I needed was the op, but I argued to see what sasuke fans have to say

 

[Styles]

Doesn't really matter seeing as how base Sasuke>>>Base Naruto

Base Sasuke isn't way faster, he was at the start of part 2, but not anymore. Having more jutsu means jack squat about who's win in a fight or who's stronger, and Sasuke is not smarter than Naruto as far as overall battle intelligence goes.

Base Sasuke >>> Base Naruto in speed Naruto uses Kyuubi chakra to surpass Sasuke in speed.

 

[Troyg39]

That proves what?

Irrelevant. What the heck are you even talking about?

Look into conjunctions. I implore you. I cannot even follow your posts anymore. No one stated that Kakashi was comparing them to himself in part one. Seriously, what the heck are you going on about? The scan is clear cut.

Why are you ignoring it? Is it not a part of the storyline or an exhibition of their reserves? Where does that prove that Sasuke has poor reserves or smaller reserves compared to Naruto? All you have is that Kakashi stated that Naruto's reserves are larger than his own little reserves. Did he introduce Sasuke into the statement? Or did you simply decide to create a magical comparison when there isn't any? I mean seriously, where is the Sasuke comparison you are creating through this conversation between Kakashi and Naruto? All I see is a poor assumption based on nothing.

The seal was designed that way to allow the chakra to naturally mix with his own:

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I suppose your desperation has led you to ignore vital manga evidence that Kurama adds a lot to his reserves. We all know what base reserves imply. Whatever Naruto gets from Kurama doesn't amount to base reserve. Love the desperation. Since you have run out of anything to say, you are resorting to subpar word play.

I merely trying to decipher the pile of nonsense that you are passing off as fact without anything to support it. I have yet to see anything from you in regards to base reserves and the supposed comparison you yourself have created. Your logic is unsupported by manga, and that's all there is to it. Don't perch yourself too high, given your empty arguments.

Bring a scan next time.

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Wow I was REALLY thinking you would've been gone by now. Here.

In this scan, Sasuke can't even believe the amount of chakra base Naruto is gathering. If they had comparable reserves, he wouldn't be surprised no?

Now here's the part where you say "he did that with Kurama's chakra" without any proof and the argument continues.

But it all boils down to me now having a solid scan, and you not.

 

[Genjin]

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Sage: "One Inherited my strong chakra genes ... the difference was extreme. The older ... no good Ashura." "To have the same power as his brother, he needed effort." "Through suffering and hardwork ... chakra bloomed within his body and he gained the same power as his brother."

The sage disagrees.

This sig is also worthy. Sasuke fapbots are not even smart when it comes to arguments like this.

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"Strong chakra genes". Large≠strong. Stop being stupid in sec.

If you haven't been reading the manga, Ashura inherited the special body chakra that empowers the body whereas Indra inherited the special spiritual chakra that empowers the eyes. This has been proven long time ago.

If we go by using your logic here, Ashura's chakra is just normal as other shinobi that time. Then why his chakra needed to obtain Rinnegan?
He was no good right? He inherited nothing because the sage mentioned nothing of his power, right? Yep. I'm so done with this inane fanbase.

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#denial #fapbot #inane #large=strong #lmao

 

[shelke]

I'm not saying naruto has the same chakra quantity as hashi. Sasuke might be less sinister than madara, because he did forgive the village

Naruto pulled the same rasengans when fighting pain's summons. In fight with kurama he went in sage mode twice, which each time he used one frs. His feats inside his head are very close to real world.

Really all that I needed was the op, but I argued to see what sasuke fans have to say

He used one FRS, which means I don't know what's there to debate on this. Furthermore, you forgot to mention that the feats you posted, he had already pulled a bit of Kurama's chakra in, which Kushina purified by suppressing Kurama's power with her own chakra:

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- This is not a base level feat.

So the feats that he pulled here, he had already hogged Kurama's chakra, given that he had never done this in real life:

Pull out any scan prior to KCM that is even close to this:

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- Get real, please. His multiple clone feat against Pein is laughable compared to this, where he is making countless large, Sage Rasangans. His clones that time poofed into thin air with a single hit as well, proving that they didn't have enough on them to maintain them.

The closest it will get to real life is this:

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This clone was made out of KCM Chakra. He even says he is using Kurama's chakra there.

Your OP is still nothing more than an opinion.

This sig is also worthy. Sasuke fapbots are not even smart when it comes to arguments like this.

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#denial #fapbot #inane #large=strong #lmao

The sage's wording is more reliable than your persistent and idiotic petulance. I'll take his wording over your garbage any day. Keep whining. Your elementary level attacks are hilarious, by the way.

What a fool. Can't even read simple Sage dialogues.

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Wow I was REALLY thinking you would've been gone by now. Here.

In this scan, Sasuke can't even believe the amount of chakra base Naruto is gathering. If they had comparable reserves, he wouldn't be surprised no?

Now here's the part where you say "he did that with Kurama's chakra" without any proof and the argument continues.

But it all boils down to me now having a solid scan, and you not.

That is Kurama's chakra, given that the seal was undone in chapter 91, this chakra had Kurama's naturally mixed with it. There is your so-called proof. This isn't base chakra, just give up.

And you do? Hilarious, because you ended up proving me right, by posting a scan from the point when the seal from Orochimaru was long gone. Hey, there is another scan where Jiraiya states that Naruto and Kurama's chakra mix together naturally because of the design of the original seal:

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It all boils down to the fact that your entire pile of assumptions are highly ironic and baseless. You don't even understand the mechanics of the seal placed by Minato. What are you arguing about then?

 

[Dannie]

lmfao, did I just hear someone say that base Naruto is faster than base Sasuke? Lol

 

[Nagi]

oh please, base naruto would stomp sasuke w/o doujutsu.

That's why a fresh Sasuke needs a sword and sharingan to fight the juubilings while a battle-worn base naruto handles them with punches and kicks.

This guy right here.....