To whoever thinks that Base Sasuke's chakra=base Naruto's

[shelke]

they where illusions,your in denial, I can smell it from you, its ohk to quit when defeated.illusions cost way less chakra than the real thing, unless you are claiming its solid buushin which is damn wrong.

Way less chakra? I am sure you like making things up. KB simply halves the chakra, there is no proof to your statements in regards to Bushins. Let's deny everything, just so it helps you.

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[Torche]

They were bushins, and they still require chakra. Kakashi was literally on his last leg and he still made that many. Point being, those clones are hardly large in number to refute the fact that he cannot make 100 clones without Kurama's chakra. Who in their right mind believes that?

You're comparing the chakra consumptions of a Jounin with splendid Chakra control making some illusions, with a chakra taxing Jutsu like the Kage Bunshin which literally divides the user's chakra? Idk.

 

[Lord Tywin]

No one said that Kakashi has better reserves. You people ignore the fact that with Kurama and without Kurama, the difference between his clones number is literally laughable. Then we have the statement from Kakashi himself, outright paralleling Sasuke and Naruto's chakra. Sasuke simply has never made a Kage Bushin at all.

off course with kurama he will be a chakra monster. But without it he was able to create many clones and use transformation techniques. He even maintained the clones for a while to get the rain ninja drop his guard.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Base sasuke is way faster than base naruto who has no speed feats in base aside from after his rikudo power up. Base sasuke has way more battle experience and more jutsu while naruto in base can make weak clones and rasengans and sasuke is way smarter than naruto.


As far as chakra potency pre rikudo power up sasuke clearly had the better quality up until now and that's arguable. The kyuubi said sasuke and madara chakra was more powerful than his own and that was early shippuden and we saw later as sasuke got ms and went through the levels of Susano that his chakra was even more powerful.

 

[lanakui8]

lol base Naruto when? From every piont in the story Base Sasuke Beats Base Naruto.

What in the world are you talking about?

Sasuke vs transformed Gaara = Sasuke needs the cursed seal and still ends up losing.
Base Naruto vs a more powerful transformed Gaara = Naruto destroys Gaara and forces him to use his full bijuu transformation.

Base Naruto vs 2 tomoe sharingan sasuke at the rooftop = Sasuke would have been defeated if their chidori and rasengan clashed.

Base Naruto vs 2 tomoe Sasuke at VoTe = Sasuke needs to use the cursed seal in order to win, else his chidori would just get countered by rasengan and he'd end up losing in the long run.

Base Naruto/3 tomoe Sasuke vs Juubi lings: Sasuke needs his sword to fight them off, naruto needs his legs to fight them off.

And then there's the feats, Sasuke would get decimated by feats as he's no longer got his massive speed advantage that he had over naruto in part 2 and base naruto has continued to improve while Sasuke's improvements have all been mostly with his sharingan jutsu.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Kaguya one shotting shouldn't be a surprise. The number of clones just determines how many times he can divide his chakra. It's not a matter of abundance.

it really is. If he had as much chakra as sasuke, while making that many clones, his real self would become fodder, and one shotted by kaguya

 

[shelke]

You're comparing the chakra consumptions of a Jounin with splendid Chakra control making some illusions, with a chakra taxing Jutsu like the Kage Bunshin which literally divides the user's chakra? Idk.

Even at the start of part two Kakashi's Ninjutsu control wasn't that special. It was good, it was not an absolute control, which is why Kamui cost him so much. His chakra control shouldn't be like Sakura or Tsunade. So the deal about stating that he made this many with his 100% perfect chakra control is a mere assumption.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Between them both, its not the matter of quality or quality, it just a matter of how they go about their jutsus. Naruros require more where as Sasukes requires less.

Sasuke mastery of his jutsu is the reason they require less.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

Way less chakra? I am sure you like making things up. KB simply halves the chakra, there is no proof to your statements in regards to Bushins. Let's deny everything, just so it helps you.

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they are different in a sense that its a corporeal illusion, its no damn kage bushin.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Even at the start of part two Kakashi's Ninjutsu control wasn't that special. It was good, it was not an absolute control, which is why Kamui cost him so much. His chakra control shouldn't be like Sakura or Tsunade. So the deal about stating that he made this many with his 100% perfect chakra control is a mere assumption.

Well using kamui pre war to make your point fails because kakashi had just gotten kamui or at least just realized he had ms and kamui and that was his first time using it on deidara so don't mistake chakra amount or average chakra mastery with little experience with a jutsu.

 

[Dantee]

it really is. If he had as much chakra as sasuke, while making that many clones, his real self would become fodder, and one shotted by kaguya

It seems you made a thread about chakra but you don't even understand how shadow clones work. Fail thread.

 

[shelke]

off course with kurama he will be a chakra monster. But without it he was able to create many clones and use transformation techniques. He even maintained the clones for a while to get the rain ninja drop his guard.

You do realize that he learnt that technique when Kurama was not sealed by Orochimaru? Kakashi also mentions it that Naruto ahs a knack for Kage Bushin, which is why he can maintain it long enough. Then we have this:

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The manga is paralleling both of their reserves. Can you say that for a fact that if Sasuke made Kage bushins - hypothetically - he won't be able to, when Kakashi states that they have comparable level of reserves?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Even at the start of part two Kakashi's Ninjutsu control wasn't that special. It was good, it was not an absolute control, which is why Kamui cost him so much. His chakra control shouldn't be like Sakura or Tsunade. So the deal about stating that he made this many with his 100% perfect chakra control is a mere assumption.

comparing him still to a Naruto with little control over his chakra is wrong. Kakashi was skilled enough to create chidori, which still takes a decent amount of chakra control

 

[Mad Daz]

Kakashi was able to make about twice as many, when he scared those goons away. I suppose his reserves are larger.

That was a genjutsu, lol read the manga.

 

[Troyg39]

Way less chakra? I am sure you like making things up. KB simply halves the chakra, there is no proof to your statements in regards to Bushins. Let's deny everything, just so it helps you.

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You really need to stop dude.

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Base Naruto has at least twice as much chakra as Kakashi. And this was in part 2. With Kurama, Naruto has about 100 times as much as Kakashi.

Stop trying to twist manga evidence. In your scan, Kakashi wasn't comparing Sasuke to Naruto, but both Naruto and Sasuke to Sakura. In terms of chakra amount, base Naruto stomps Kakashi and yes he stomps Sasuke too

 

[shelke]

Well using kamui pre war to make your point fails because kakashi had just gotten kamui or at least just realized he had ms and kamui and that was his first time using it on deidara so don't mistake chakra amount or average chakra mastery with little experience with a jutsu.

False, when he used it against Deidara the first time, he knew he had it. What a pointless thing to say. So he knew what he had without using it even once? Lol This guy ...

 

[XxTayxX]

Im a sauce fan, but yeah naruto is a uzumaki so of course naruto chakra is on a higher level

 

[Torche]

Even at the start of part two Kakashi's Ninjutsu control wasn't that special. It was good, it was not an absolute control, which is why Kamui cost him so much. His chakra control shouldn't be like Sakura or Tsunade. So the deal about stating that he made this many with his 100% perfect chakra control is a mere assumption.

I didn't say he had 100% perfect chakra control, but it's obviously better than good as he is an elite Jounin.

Kaguya one shotting shouldn't be a surprise. The number of clones just determines how many times he can divide his chakra. It's not a matter of abundance.

Not really true apparently, new tab it for larger size:

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[shelke]

You really need to stop dude.

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Base Naruto has at least twice as much chakra as Kakashi. And this was in part 2. With Kurama, Naruto has about 100 times as much as Kakashi.

Stop trying to twist manga evidence. In your scan, Kakashi wasn't comparing Sasuke to Naruto, but both Naruto and Sasuke to Sakura. In terms of chakra amount, base Naruto stomps Kakashi and yes he stomps Sasuke too

You mean twice as much reserves as a guy whose own reserves are tiny? It says right there on the scan.

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I love the fact how you don't understand that Kakashi literally stated that BOTH of them have uncomparable chakra, and yet, I am twisting manga scans?


Stomps Sasuke? That's bull shit, and you know it. Where is your proof to back this up? Don't try to make stuff up just because it suits you. If you don't have any scan, whatever you say is self-made.

 

[Lord Tywin]

You do realize that he learnt that technique when Kurama was not sealed by Orochimaru? Kakashi also mentions it that Naruto ahs a knack for Kage Bushin, which is why he can maintain it long enough. Then we have this:

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The manga is paralleling both of their reserves. Can you say that for a fact that if Sasuke made Kage bushins - hypothetically - he won't be able to, when Kakashi states that they have comparable level of reserves?

you failed to realize that kakashi compared their chakra to sakura, not to each other. Kakashi never said that naruto and sasuke have chakra as much as each other. They both might have much more chkara than sakura, but gap between naruto and sakura is bigger than the gap between sasuke and sakura

It seems you made a thread about chakra but you don't even understand how shadow clones work. Fail thread.

the chakra is evenly divided. It still takes alot of chakra to use that many shadow clones. Dividing chakra so many times speaks of its volume