Without rikudou chackra Kakashi's MS sharingan with DK is nothing special.

[bencoby]

Before I start, this thread is not to bash Kakashi (so take your mind off that), but to clarify a few misconceptions some Kakashi fans have made about him new found power.

- Recent feats of Kakashi has all been with rikudou chackra, if you take that chackra away, Kakashi would be left with just a normal sharingan.

- All theories that have been made to hype his recent power up, would all be because of the rikudou chackra.

-Without that chackra, Kakashi would be Tobirama or Minato level at best. And with the chackra, he would still lose to EMS Madara or SM Hashirama.

-Let's look at Madara, comparing all the uchiha at base, Madara is the strongest. This means MS Kakashi without rikudou chackra would get neg def by EMS Madara. However, rikudou Kakashi would put up a fight and still lose.

- As for SM Hashirama, I needn't even explain how he wins it's that obvious.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

Without it , he should be crying about the pain in his cells

 

[ATD]

Without rikudo chakra kakashi probably can't use susanno and black lightning,
he can still use kamui, going intangible and fusing kamui with his raikiri( it won't turn black, it is just normal but the fact that kakashi can stay intangible while using raikiri,kunais... would put him above base minato and tobirama maybe even hashirima( kakashi probably will loose because of less chakra)

 

[xaid5]

Wthout rikudox sasuke n naruto oso wud b nothn

 

[bencoby]

Without rikudo chakra kakashi probably can't use susanno and black lightning,
he can still use kamui, going intangible and fusing kamui with his raikiri( it won't turn black, it is just normal but the fact that kakashi can stay intangible while using raikiri,kunais... would put him above base minato and tobirama maybe even hashirima( kakashi probably will loose because of less chakra)

Without it, it would make him just another sharingan user. Tobirama has fought a lot of sharingan users, and would know how to deal with Kakashi. At that power level he would still be below Tobirama and Minato.

 

[ATD]

Without it, it would make him just another sharingan user. Tobirama has fought a lot of sharingan users, and would know how to deal with Kakashi. At that power level he would still be below Tobirama and Minato.

so you think without the sage chakra kakashi won't be able to have MS/use Kamui or intangibility ? just normal 3 tome ?
i don't think he had sage chakra when he awoke the ms early shippuden or did i get you wrong ?

 

[Konohamaru of Akatsuki]

Kamui snipe while staying intangible is "nothing special"? Now I've seen it all!

 

[Tobi98]

Without rikudo chakra kakashi probably can't use susanno and black lightning,
he can still use kamui, going intangible and fusing kamui with his raikiri( it won't turn black, it is just normal but the fact that kakashi can stay intangible while using raikiri,kunais... would put him above base minato and tobirama maybe even hashirima( kakashi probably will loose because of less chakra)

I second this

 

[bencoby]

so you think without the sage chakra kakashi won't be able to have MS/use Kamui or intangibility ? just normal 3 tome ?
i don't think he had sage chakra when he awoke the ms early shippuden or did i get you wrong ?

Yeah you did get me wrong, I mean he would be just an ordinary sharingan user, like any other sharingan user. I agree he would have all those abilities you mentioned but the amplifications from the rikudou chackra would be non-existence.

 

[AlphaScythian]

No. Kakashi would still be hella powerful.
Solid top 10.

Dont forget just whom he is against. Little rikudou power doesnt belittle his feats much.

 

[Stormlex4all]

All these without this without that, he's got it already so lets get over it, afterall many characters use powers frm other ppl:naruto has rikudo senjutsu evn tho he'll stil b strong witout it, sasuke has his brother's eyes, madara had hashirama's cell, senjutsu & juubi, most of d tough ninjas had to brw power frm sm1 else so kakashi acquires rikudo chakra so what, he needs it.

 

[ATD]

Yeah you did get me wrong, I mean he would be just an ordinary sharingan user, like any other sharingan user. I agree he would have all those abilities you mentioned but the amplifications from the rikudou chackra would be non-existence.

he would has still obitos chakra with in himself, but not powered up by rikudo, still he would be able to use kamui and intangibility quit often.
That would put him above minato and tobirama

 

[bencoby]

he would has still obitos chakra with in himself, but not powered up by rikudo, still he would be able to use kamui and intangibility quit often.
That would put him above minato and tobirama

I don't see how he is beating Tobirama, since tobi has been fighting uchiha since childhood. Also Tobirama has some sick jutus of his own.

Its a 50/50 chance against Minato though.

 

[ATD]

I don't see how he is beating Tobirama, since tobi has been fighting uchiha since childhood. Also Tobirama has some sick jutus of his own.

Its a 50/50 chance against Minato though.

I think Kamui is to much for tobirama, minato has more intel on it and knows how to overcome the intangibility, but not forget offensive kamui, i think with this even minato won't win,
Summons of minato will be kamuid
kakashi can sty intangible while attacking

 

[bencoby]

I think Kamui is to much for tobirama, minato has more intel on it and knows how to overcome the intangibility, but not forget offensive kamui, i think with this even minato won't win,
Summons of minato will be kamuid
kakashi can sty intangible while attacking

(1) Kamui won't be too much for Tobirama since he can use FTG. He also have some powerful water style jutsus.
(2) I don't think Kakaski at that can spam kamui, since it would exhaust all his chakra.

 

[rollin]

He doesn't have rikudos chakra
When obito got rikudo chakra it made his ms stronger
Kakashi now has those enhanced ms

 

[KCMNaruto]

I agree with OP

so much truth.

Rikudou chakra is the most haxx and the greatest power/magic in NV

ALL Hail God Hagoromo Ootsutsuki

 

[Selan]

OP are you so butthurt that Kakashi neg diffs your favourite character whoever he is?

 

[Migster257]

*Hey, guys! Let's remove an ability from someone and let's see what they're like without that ability.
Next up, let's remove Sasuke's eyes!
For Round 2, let's remove the Bijuus from Naruto!
Last round: Let's remove... Wait, Konohamaru is useless either way. Let's try the adding game instead*
In Bencoby's mind.

 

[Kamui Sama]

dms kakashi/obito is still hella strong Lol

Hashirama can't counter long-range kamui snipe if its used right at the beginning, just saying