[VS] MS Sasuke & Orochimaru Vs SM Naruto & Jiraiya

[Nattana]

Current Zetsu Orochimaru with arms stomps Jiraya.

MS Sauce > Pain Arc SM Naruto.

 

[Beans2]

Current Zetsu Orochimaru with arms stomps Jiraya.

MS Sauce > Pain Arc SM Naruto.

OP never specified it was Pain arc nardo
Oro can only stomp in s2

 

[Nattana]

OP never specified it was Pain arc nardo
Oro can only stomp in s2

He did in one of his posts.
ET-less Zetsu Orochimaru still low diffs Jiraya.

 

[Rιver]

Team 2 wins mid-high difficulty in Scenario 2, mainly because Jiraiya can't enter Sage Mode without Ma and Pa, who are restricted, but he can still take on Orochimaru w/ his normal Toad Summonings, though he can't win. War Arc SM Naruto would wreck Danzo fight MS Sasuke. He has the speed and reflexes needed to outright evade Susanoo arrows, he can react to Amaterasu due to his sensing and reflexes, allowing him to feint with a clone.

Using multiple clones prevents him from landing Amaterasu on the original Naruto, and Rasen Shuriken is enough to obliterate Sasuke's Susanoo, a follow up attack ends Sasuke's life. Or Oodama FRS and stronger completely eradicate Sasuke along with his Susanoo. He can use Amaterasu on the FRS, sure, but he can't keep Susanoo up while using Amaterasu, so once it drops, Naruto rushes him and obliterates him with a second FRS, Frog Kata or a Rasengan Barrage via clones.

Then if Oro hasn't killed Jiraiya, he goes and finishes him off real quick.

Scenario 2 is a loss for the Sages since Oro has Edo Tensei.

He doesn't have reflexes that indicate he can dodge an Amaterasu. Even KM Naruto was scared of Itachi's, which he responded to 'he missed...!?'. If he does that, he can still shoot two arrows simultaneously to take out him and his clone for certain. Him dodging that is not possible, mainly because HM Naruto from war arc has not much feats except creating bigger FRS and dodging V1 Sandaime, which is identical to Sasuke's feat dodging E. They're as fast and equal even from war arc, Sasuke being slightly better due to his defense and arsenal.

His big Chō Ōdama Rasenshuriken in HM requires massive preparation [

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], which he won't ever get. Anything smaller won't get past V4 nor V3, especially the regular Ōdama Rasenshuriken. Sasuke can always shoot him with arrows, which will land no matter what he did if he didn't move. The execution is thereby sabotaged and Sasuke can end it with various of techniques he grabs from his arsenal. Or he just... dies.

Naruto won't ever land a hit if Sasuke uses a hawk.
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[Oblivionx]

Team 2 wins mid-high difficulty in Scenario 2, mainly because Jiraiya can't enter Sage Mode without Ma and Pa, who are restricted, but he can still take on Orochimaru w/ his normal Toad Summonings, though he can't win. War Arc SM Naruto would wreck Danzo fight MS Sasuke. He has the speed and reflexes needed to outright evade Susanoo arrows, he can react to Amaterasu due to his sensing and reflexes, allowing him to feint with a clone.

Using multiple clones prevents him from landing Amaterasu on the original Naruto, and Rasen Shuriken is enough to obliterate Sasuke's Susanoo, a follow up attack ends Sasuke's life. Or Oodama FRS and stronger completely eradicate Sasuke along with his Susanoo. He can use Amaterasu on the FRS, sure, but he can't keep Susanoo up while using Amaterasu, so once it drops, Naruto rushes him and obliterates him with a second FRS, Frog Kata or a Rasengan Barrage via clones.

Then if Oro hasn't killed Jiraiya, he goes and finishes him off real quick.

Scenario 2 is a loss for the Sages since Oro has Edo Tensei.

i will agree with this...

 

[ARGUS]

Team 2 wins mid-high difficulty in Scenario 2, mainly because Jiraiya can't enter Sage Mode without Ma and Pa, who are restricted, but he can still take on Orochimaru w/ his normal Toad Summonings, though he can't win. War Arc SM Naruto would wreck Danzo fight MS Sasuke. He has the speed and reflexes needed to outright evade Susanoo arrows, he can react to Amaterasu due to his sensing and reflexes, allowing him to feint with a clone.

Using multiple clones prevents him from landing Amaterasu on the original Naruto, and Rasen Shuriken is enough to obliterate Sasuke's Susanoo, a follow up attack ends Sasuke's life. Or Oodama FRS and stronger completely eradicate Sasuke along with his Susanoo. He can use Amaterasu on the FRS, sure, but he can't keep Susanoo up while using Amaterasu, so once it drops, Naruto rushes him and obliterates him with a second FRS, Frog Kata or a Rasengan Barrage via clones.

Then if Oro hasn't killed Jiraiya, he goes and finishes him off real quick.

Scenario 2 is a loss for the Sages since Oro has Edo Tensei.

Yeah this pretty mch sums it all up

 

[NSUNSR]

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Full intel jiraiya > pain

By feats, Jiraya that starts with SM gets beaten by Pain.
OT: Sage Duo win first scenario, lose the second one.

 

[Beans2]

He did in one of his posts.
ET-less Zetsu Orochimaru still low diffs Jiraya.

Yeah, with the Ma and Pa restriction

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Team one stomps both scenarios low diff. All it takes is an hawk summon.

 

[KidGamer65]

i now kidgamer didnt say Naruto can dodge a susanoo arrow on foot Lel he couldnt even counter blind Madara with no sm on foot susanoo arrow is much faster team Sasuke wins both

People love saying stuff without actually backing it up, and Naruto was close to Madara. He has no reason to fight right in front of Sasuke.

 

[Varrah]

At a glance, scenario one, I believe. team one wins: Enton variants allow Sasuke control of the terrain, which subsequently allows Kagutsuchi to be applied as security system of sorts or a pure offensive font; Orochimaru’s techniques can be used as supplementary assets…blah, blah, blah. Scenario two, the use of Edo Tensei pretty much decides this.​

 

[FlyingRaijinLVL2]

Team 2 mid - high diff
BZ stated SM Nardo > MS Sauce.
Sage Jiraiya > Orochimaru without ET

 

[QdonEms]

Team 2 mid - high diff
BZ stated SM Nardo > MS Sauce.
Sage Jiraiya > Orochimaru without ET

SM naruto > MS sasuke(that only had amaterasu) this is danzo fight sasuke

 

[Unorthodox]

People love saying stuff without actually backing it up, and Naruto was close to Madara. He has no reason to fight right in front of Sasuke.

doesnt Matter his reflexes are not impressive enough for him to dodge a Susanoo arrow on foot he gets Blitz by the susanoo arrow killing him

 

[KidGamer65]

He doesn't have reflexes that indicate he can dodge an Amaterasu. Even KM Naruto was scared of Itachi's, which he responded to 'he missed...!?'. If he does that, he can still shoot two arrows simultaneously to take out him and his clone for certain. Him dodging that is not possible, mainly because HM Naruto from war arc has not much feats except creating bigger FRS and dodging V1 Sandaime, which is identical to Sasuke's feat dodging E. They're as fast and equal even from war arc, Sasuke being slightly better due to his defense and arsenal.​

Ay is slower than KCM Naruto, who evaded Amaterasu. Him being worried about the technique doesn't really mean anything when he's shown the capability to evade it. SM Naruto is slower than KCM when it comes to Shunshin, but Naruto

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So whatever KCM can react to, SM should be able to react as well, meaning he reacts to Amaterasu, and feints it with a clone.

Then they dodge the arrows, cause Sasuke can't use any Susanoo above Ribcage while using Amaterasu, giving Naruto enough time.

Naruto waited till the last minute and evaded the Raikage's attack, spun around his arm and slammed it into his chest with Rasengan. Sasuke simply ducked below Ay's elbow.

His big Chō Ōdama Rasenshuriken in HM requires massive preparation [

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], which he won't ever get. Anything smaller won't get past V4 nor V3, especially the regular Ōdama Rasenshuriken. Sasuke can always shoot him with arrows, which will land no matter what he did if he didn't move. The execution is thereby sabotaged and Sasuke can end it with various of techniques he grabs from his arsenal. Or he just... dies.

The Rasen Shuriken in your scan is more than enough to destroy Susanoo and kill Sasuke, who only has a V3 Susanoo here, as OP said he has his feats vs. Danzo, and the FRS didn't take that long to prepare. Not like its needed, one FRS would deal heavy damage to V3 since Danzo's weaker Fuuton opened a hole in the back.

All he needs to do is use multiple FRS via clones, which takes little preparation, and he can still move to evade arrows or have clones block them.

Naruto won't ever land a hit if Sasuke uses a hawk.

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Most of Sasuke's moves aren't going to reach or hit Naruto if he fights on a hawk, not to mention Naruto has Toad Summons, who can jump high enough to react Sasuke even if he's on his hawk.

doesnt Matter his reflexes are not impressive enough for him to dodge a Susanoo arrow on foot he gets Blitz by the susanoo arrow killing him

When you can actually prove this, I'll bother replying to you. Kabuto was no speedster before getting Sage Mode, and he easily evaded an arrow from close range. His Sage Mode didn't give any boost that Naruto didn't get, so lets not even go there.

SM Naruto stated he reacts faster than he does in KCM, but he moves slower. An arrow is never hitting him. Ever.

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay? fact of the matter is it is still "A slow ass attack and hasn't hit anybody other than when he was able to guide it with chakra arms." Once again you are under the assumption that there is a chance in hell that sasuke will be hit with a FRS period. Under the assumption that they will be having a ranged fight, either way sasuke easily either gets rid of them via Ama, and simply proceeds to easily dodge a second. If all else fails he uses the lowest level of genjutsu and makes naruto believe he has been hit and killed by one and proceeds to move forward. Exactly how many FRS u think naruto is throwing out before his sage mode runs out? exactly how many have you've seen him throw out in sage mode period?

Slow ass attacks don't cross the Chibaku Tensei crater in a matter of seconds, which was as wide as a Mountain Range, and its explosion completely dwarfs Sasuke and his Susanoo. So if he avoids the disc when Naruto throws it, the explosion takes him out.

Why the hell would they not be having a ranged fight? Sasuke can't force Naruto to fight close range, and Naruto won't fight close range as he can kill Sasuke from long range.

If he uses Amaterasu one one FRS, Susanoo will drop and he'll get bombarded by an Oodama FRS, or 2 more FRS, which is GG, and he's thrown up to 3 in the war arc, but that limit is probably increased since he used

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and still maintained Sage Mode.

Kurama breaks any Genjutsu.

He sensed the war going on after Shikumaru father connected him via his shadow possession jutsu? and I'm guessing he had some intel on what was going on with the war. But it did happen after the link between the 2 was made. Either way, what does that have to do with him being able to react in the mist of everything else sasuke has to throw at him, and your going to tell me in SM he is going to dodge Ama? LOL now who's wanking bruh? its not happening. Hypothetically speaking lets say he can "magically" sense any jutsu thrown at him, the hell makes u think hes fast enough to dodge something as instant as Ama? or wait.. shadow clone in 1 billionth of a second before it hits like it has a travel time? lol, please.

Lol. Not only was Shikamaru's father not there, that's not how Shadow Possession works. It doesn't connect people mentally, or in any way, shape or form, aside from the person being hit with the Shadow, and that's just a physical connection. So he sensed all that on his own, try not to downplay next time.

Man, are you people reading my post? I said he feints it out with a clone, meaning he sticks a clone in front of him and it hits the clone, and not him. He isn't dodging Amaterasu, but its not hitting him either. Amaterasu isn't instant for one, since it was evaded in canon, so stop that wank and, Naruto can act while its charging up since he can sense, so he begins to counter it before it ever launches. I lol everytime I see "Amaterasu GG' in an argument between SM Naruto and MS Sasuke. Hilarious stuff.

True, sasuke did say he invaded it forgot about that, but kabuto not only had sensing from dragon sage mode, but he also had the terrain advantage, plus those snakes that amped his sensing as well. Manga fact, he even stated that his sensing is unmatched.

Naruto has Sage Mode, terrain advantage doesn't change the fact that he evaded it, and the snakes didn't amp his sensing. So he had nothing different than what Naruto has.

Ridiculous, once again, naruto is not sensing Amaterasu coming until proven otherwise and to say its child's play? lol, like I said, Naruto knowledge of the ability means jack shit, he still is not dodging it and the coin is in the air if he is even able to sense something that sasuke can spam effortlessly and instantly. Honestly, we are talking about the dumbest fighter in the series hands down vs the most intelligent. We are talking about someone whos always had ally's and intel on his side vs the someone who's always had to hold his own against miss matches and far superior opponents and came out on top. Skill vs Plot, period.

Nagato senses Amaterasu via chakra sensing. [

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Naruto states he can sense chakra. [

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So yeah, Naruto senses it and counters it. Lets stop denying manga facts now. As for the shit in the bold. Lmao what manga are you reading buddy? Sasuke can't spam shit with the MS let alone Amateras.

The rest is more irrelevant crying about how Naruto supposedly has plot on his side, so I'm not going to bother.

He's not rushing sasuke

Unless Sasuke can stop him, which he can't. He'll just go over to Sasuke's area and toss FRS in his general direction, which means GG due to the explosion radius.

Not to sound ignorant here but I do recall during their fight at the final valley sasuke making a statement to naruto that his shadow clones are not going to work, with his sharingan he can ignore the clones and go straight to the real you, and that he was just toying with him.... Or maybe that's how it was worded via anime? I'm going to check up on it. If what you said is true, then lets fan fict, what makes u think that sasuke wouldn't make childs play out of naruto shadow clones as he has always did? because they are more advanced? well, guess what, so is sasuke.

Scans?

Sasuke being more advanced doesn't mean he'll fodderize Naruto's clones. If you believe he can, for whatever nonsensical reason, provide evidence.

Can't be taking seriously? KCM naruto is a joke, I hate getting into this debate, did he not admit that he needed to nine tails chakra to fight on par with a "Yes, im going to say it" blind, and weakened sasuke.... yet he still was able to sense the depth of what he was originally capable of doing? KCM naruto got worked, effortlessly by nagato, while edo itachi seemed to make childs play out of him. Killer bee had to fight against the Jin-churiki whilst carry naruto ass to safety because he couldn't dodge such a straight forward, slow, punch from the jinchuriki of Son Goku, feel to the ground and had to be rescued and carried off by killer bee covering for his ass because his speed feats or inconsistent as hell.

He's obviously talking about a Sasuke at full power, considering he was shown MATCHING a blind Sasuke in Base with his Rasengan. Lmao, you can't be taken seriously if you believe this shit.

KCM Naruto vs Nagato is irrelevant since Nagato would shitstomp MS Sasuke, and Edo Itachi didn't even fight Naruto, so stop that shit about him supposedly making child's play out of him. The rest is completely irrelevant. When you can actually post something that pertains to this debate, then I'll reply to it.

Sigh, again, Sasuke makes child play of naruto's clown with Kenjutsu enchanced with Enton or Chidori like he's always had.

Kenjutsu enhanced with Enton is fanfic for MS Sasuke, and Chidori? Lmfao. Basic Rasengan is enough to match Chidori. If Sasuke fights Naruto's clones in CQC, they shit on him with superior reflexes, strength and Frog Kata. Not to mention bigger Rasengan variants.

Comparing Naruto's clones to how they were in Part 1 is idiotic to say the least.

No wank bruh, you clearly are delusional if you would put your money on someone who has not yet managed to defeat a single enemy other than "Kiba, and Neji" by himself, and someone as great as a fighter as sasuke who's soloed countless, 0 intel and 0 plot. And then you want to give them intel on each others ability? Yeah, sasuke takes this fairly easily.

Naruto has intel on Amaterasu in canon, so no shit he gets it here. Lol, come on now. Naruto wrecks him. He can probably beat Pain Arc SM Naruto, but even then its evenly matched.

 

[genii96]

Team 1 mid diff.
Orochimaru handles jiraiya
sasuke handles sm naruto

scenario 2,oro rapes

 

[SaskeyUchihahahaTard]

team 2 stomps. J-Man can potentially solo.

 

[Nattana]

Naruto wrecks him. He can probably beat Pain Arc SM Naruto, but even then its evenly matched.

Well, OP said in this thread we're using Pain Arc SM Naruto, so...

 

[KidGamer65]

Well, OP said in this thread we're using Pain Arc SM Naruto, so...

That debate started before he said that, so if my opposition doesn't mind, I'll leave it like that.