KCM Naruto vs Alive Minato

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How does he use a completely different seal if Minato created the seal and even resealed it during the Pain Arc.....

When he beat Kurama, he got a new seal. Read chapter 499, A New Seal.

Not to mention Minato can use the seal that Kushina had on her. This seal is unknown to the readers but we know it was powerful enough to hold Full Kurama and that Minato had to while Kushina gave birth to Naruto and if he can reseal a seal he must know how to use that seal to begin with.
Except, he can't use a seal on Naruto when Naruto already has a seal on Kurama. Not unless he takes that seal off first, which he can't do without the key.

Naruto can't touch Minato because he'll be teleporting everywhere. Rasenshurikens are sent back at him via Hirashin Barrier or just simply dodged. Minato creates a few clones and swaps Naruto to him and seals Kyuubi, then he loses!

S/T Barrier won't work when Naruto can use FRS as a guided melee attack instead of firing at them, and it doesn't matter if Minato can teleeport since he can just use Ay's strategy. When Minato teleports, use Shunshin to go right to the marking he just teleported to, giving him little time to react. The fact that Naruto can match the amount of markings he has with clones doesn't help your case any better, and the fact that from a close distance, he barely evaded Ay.
 

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One Thing Guys...Minato Could Evade Ay's Top Speed With Shunshin Cause He's Fast Enough To Do It But He Didn't Use Shunshin Cause You Can't Use Shunshin Twice In A Row & Minato Intended To Counter Ay's Attack So He Used FTG Cause He Can Use It As Many Time As He Want In A Row...So That's The Case...Naruto Just dodge Ay's Attack But Minato Came Up With A Counter Attack...He Dodged & Then Attacked If He Want To Just Dodge By Feats His Shunshin Is Fast Enough To Do It...
 

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One Thing Guys...Minato Could Evade Ay's Top Speed With Shunshin Cause He's Fast Enough To Do It But He Didn't Use Shunshin Cause You Can't Use Shunshin Twice In A Row & Minato Intended To Counter Ay's Attack So He Used FTG Cause He Can Use It As Many Time As He Want In A Row...So That's The Case...Naruto Just dodge Ay's Attack But Minato Came Up With A Counter Attack...He Dodged & Then Attacked If He Want To Just Dodge By Feats His Shunshin Is Fast Enough To Do It...
Can you provide proof of this claim?
 

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Can you provide proof of this claim?
Can You Prove I'm Wrong? I Never See Someone Use Shunshin Twice In A Row In The Entire Manga...If Someone Did Such Thing Please Show Me The Scan...In Order To Use Shunshin You Must Boost Your Chakra To Temporarily Vitalize Your Body & Move At Extreme Speed...Every Time You Want To Use Shunshin You Must Boost Your Chakra First...That's Why You Need Some Time Between Every Shunshin...
 
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You can't use Fukasaku's words as evidence. We don't know if he was aware of Minato's strength. And by feats, Naruto can't beat his father.

Statements can be used as evidence depending on the source, which you can with Fukusaku. He would have witnessed Minato's training at Mt. Myoboku training in Sennin Mode and was a companion of Jiriaya, someone very close to Minato. Minato also summons Toads quite frequently, so Fukusaku would have had information coming in from toads that Minato would have summoned.

And by feats Naruto does beat him.​
 

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Statements can be used as evidence depending on the source, which you can with Fukusaku. He would have witnessed Minato's training at Mt. Myoboku training in Sennin Mode and was a companion of Jiriaya, someone very close to Minato. Minato also summons Toads quite frequently, so Fukusaku would have had information coming in from toads that Minato would have summoned.

And by feats Naruto does beat him.​

Him witnessing Minato's training with SM doesn't equal to him witnessing Minato's arsenal; thus debunking the hype given to Naruto, since Fukasaku is not a strong source.

No, he does not. SM Naruto cannot keep up with his father's Shunshin or FTG, which ends up him being blitzed. Naruto is CQC fighter, thus leaving him opened for markings, and he had no intel on that. All of his attacks will be teleported straight back to him. He doesn't beat Minato by feats.​
 

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Him witnessing Minato's training with SM doesn't equal to him witnessing Minato's arsenal; thus debunking the hype given to Naruto, since Fukasaku is not a strong source.​


And you ignored the rest of my post. There's not much else to see, other than Hiriashin/Shunshin which he was already famous for, and Rasengan. Which Naruto had already completely surpassed him in.​

No, he does not. SM Naruto cannot keep up with his father's Shunshin or FTG, which ends up him being blitzed. Naruto is CQC fighter, thus leaving him opened for markings, and he had no intel on that. All of his attacks will be teleported straight back to him. He doesn't beat Minato by feats.

Minato's Shunshin isn't fast enough to blitz Sennin Mode Naruto, no feat suggest such. Naruto could react to Minato's Hiriashin as well, a Teenage Bee was able to do the same twice without sensing.​
 

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When he beat Kurama, he got a new seal. Read chapter 499, A New Seal.

What new seal? Minato's seal can't just magically vanish and be replaced by a new one. Naruto knows no sealing jutsu. Kushina used no sealing jutsu nor did Yamato or Bee (they both were there) so whats this new seal he has? Who used the new sealing jutsu? Its still the Eight Trigrams Seal, same key Minato created and gave to Geotora, thus he can literally extract Kyuubi from him. Your right, Naruto has the key now so he could unleash it again if Minato tries to seal it so extracting would be the way to go. This is KCM Naruto, he and Kurama are not on good terms so when Minato extracts it he would break free and Naruto would die.

Except, he can't use a seal on Naruto when Naruto already has a seal on Kurama. Not unless he takes that seal off first, which he can't do without the key.
I kinda addressed this in the first part. Minato created the key and the seal. Its nothing for him to extract it, its as simple as when he extracted Yin Kurama from himself no difficulty in seconds, and he and Naruto have the exact same seal.

S/T Barrier won't work when Naruto can use FRS as a guided melee attack instead of firing at them, and it doesn't matter if Minato can teleeport since he can just use Ay's strategy. When Minato teleports, use Shunshin to go right to the marking he just teleported to, giving him little time to react. The fact that Naruto can match the amount of markings he has with clones doesn't help your case any better, and the fact that from a close distance, he barely evaded Ay.

Okay he can do that but it won't change anything. Third Raikage dodged that twice no difficulty with basic side stepping. Considering Minato can do that on top of teleporting out of the way completely, its safe to say that guided Rasenshuriken won't hit him. Ay's strategy won't work because Naruto's attack/fight speed is still not that great in KCM. He never landed a hit on Obito at all and we know Minato teleports faster than he uses Kamui so I don't see him hitting Minato. Even if he trys to shunshin to Minato when he teleports, he still needs to attack Minato, and his fight speed is not something Minato can't evade once more with Hirashin.

Naruto displayed that speed versus Ay one time and it was never seen again. This was because it was not just his Shunshin, it was his foot-speed + shushin. Naruto was already running at top speed when Ay came at him then just shunshin'd on top of that to dodge him. If he was standing in one place like Minato was and not moving, he wouldn't evade that attack. Minato on the other hand was in one place and still reacted to toss his kunai up for his counter attack so I wouldn't call that barely dodging because he could have just teleported or shunshin when Ay first took off without taking the time to toss his weapon.

He also does not need to just teleport to his kunai he has. He can mark the ground, a tree, or any physical area. He can teleport to his kunai in the air as he did with Ay, he can teleport to his clones, or have his clones teleport him. Naruto is reckless and uses enormous amounts of chakra that end up being wasted most of the time. Minato can track his chakra levels and I think you know the risk of KCM.



If he stays in that mode too long he will eventually dry up and using shadow clones just doubles, triples, or how ever many clones he creates the rate of this happening. Kurama had purposely stopped taking Naruto's chakra though (a.k.a. Plot no jutsu) so he didn't die, according to Gyuki. This is not the case in this fight though and Naruto would burn out using high chakra taxing moves while Minato is using the tiniest amounts of chakra to dodge them. I'm sure he wont run out of chakra either considering his levels are extreme, hes a sage and even teleports things like Kurama and max Juubi Dama in base.

I think Minato will win if it comes to a battle of attrition or he just swaps Naruto to him and extracts Kurama from him.
 

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A basic Rasengan isn't too much for Naruto to worry about.

Minato throws multiple Kunai? Naruto creates multiple clones.

KCM Naruto low diffs.
 

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And you ignored the rest of my post. There's not much else to see, other than Hiriashin/Shunshin which he was already famous for, and Rasengan. Which Naruto had already completely surpassed him in.​



Minato's Shunshin isn't fast enough to blitz Sennin Mode Naruto, no feat suggest such. Naruto could react to Minato's Hiriashin as well, a Teenage Bee was able to do the same twice without sensing.​

The point is, Fukasaku is not aware of Minato's capabilities and potential.

Base Madara effortlessly blitzed SM Naruto before he could react or dodge. Minato moved from Fire Country to the Lightning Country faster than 3 Hokage. (Keep it in mind he was marking the battlefield at the same time) He saved Naruto from Obito, and Kushina from Kurama in a split of second. And even without FTG, Obito called him Yellow Flash. Bee isn't Naruto, and Minato didn't want to kill him.​
 

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The point is, Fukasaku is not aware of Minato's capabilities and potential.​


And I don't see why he wouldn't be.​

Base Madara effortlessly blitzed SM Naruto before he could react or dodge. Minato moved from Fire Country to the Lightning Country faster than 3 Hokage. (Keep it in mind he was marking the battlefield at the same time) He saved Naruto from Obito, and Kushina from Kurama in a split of second. And even without FTG, Obito called him Yellow Flash. Bee isn't Naruto, and Minato didn't want to kill him.

Naruto put up his hands to block, and the only reason that Madara's Shunshin was so fast at the time was because he kneaded an excess amont of Chakra into the Jutsu. Signified by the panel of him forming a Hand Sign.

Bee not being Naruto is the whole point, Naruto's reactions far exceed his due to Sennin Mode. Minato wanted to drop the battle, but he had killing intent the whole time. He went for a kill blow and had his Kunai to the head of a valuable asset of an enemy country, nothing suggest he wouldn't have killed Bee if he had the chance (He couldn't because Bee reacted).​
 

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Please don't start with the inconsistency argument. Naruto has shown to use his speed whenever he needed it, and didn't use it because he couldn't or because he didn't need it.

Madara wasn't keeping up with BM Naruto's Shunshin. In fact they never fought close quarters. Naruto Shunshin'd and was free falling toward Madara. The fact he was free falling means Madara didn't react to his top speed, and after that, it was Mokuryu vs BM Naruto.

KCM Naruto is faster than Minato. Minato needed Hiraishin to evade Ay. Naruto did it with pure speed.
Fine, I thought you were saying that Naruto is faster than Minato with FTG. Well,Naruto obviously has faster shunshin but he isn't touching Minato as long as he has FTG just like Raikage.

Naruto has never displayed effective use of his top speed in combat which is why he was almost got killed by people like 3rd Raikage,Nagato,Madara and Obito which proves that his speed is inconsistent. So,I have no reason to believe that he can pull it against Minato.
 

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Naruto wins this low/mid diff
 

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Fine, I thought you were saying that Naruto is faster than Minato with FTG. Well,Naruto obviously has faster shunshin but he isn't touching Minato as long as he has FTG just like Raikage.


From a close range, Minato almost got caught by Ay. Naruto is faster, and can use clones. Naruto has AoE attacks, such as COFRS or even the normal FRS. Once they explode, S/T Barrier isn't going to suck them in.

Minato doesn't stand a chance here.

Naruto has never displayed effective use of his top speed in combat which is why he was almost got killed by people like 3rd Raikage,Nagato,Madara and Obito which proves that his speed is inconsistent. So,I have no reason to believe that he can pull it against Minato.

Lol, lets try not to pull at straws here. Every time I read this "Inconsistent speed" excuse, I chuckle. When you can give me real manga evidence as to why Naruto can't use his speed on Minato, then we can talk. He used it to save B and Kakashi and to break out of Mokuryu. He used it to repel the Bijuu Dama.

You people talk about his inconsistent speed, and that he can't control it, even though its just Shunshin, and saying he can't control it is equivalent to saying he can't control a D-Rank Technique that even Sakura is capable of, which is pure nonsense and laughable at best.
 

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1st scenario can go either way but 2nd scenario minato can win with SM if he fuses with ma and pa...
 

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KM Naruto is no faster than V2 E, which Minato already reacted to. We all know that Minato first prepares his kunai's [ ], and then proceeds to battle the way he deems it the best. He can always surprise him with his superior speed (Hiraishin) [ ]. If he can create a clone to gather Senjutsu, eventually he'll overpower Naruto with superior speed and reflexes [ ], which will all trump KM Naruto.

I also didn't factor in; Kawazu Kumite that would kill him probably with one hit. Minato also wins automatically second scenario.
 
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