Naruto, supposedly talentless, but feats prove otherwise.

[Sageflash]

Effort? He trained with Jiraiya for 3 years and it turned out to be nothing and relied on the Kyuubi to fight all his battles... yeah... effort and hard work indeed

Quite. Recall those Kyuubi outbursts shown, they happen when he over exerted himself and expended all chakra. Naruto trained til his hands were immovable for Rasengan, til he passed out and had Kyuubi chakra leaking out for FRS, nearly died several times pushing himself in Sage Mode, battled Kurama and the other Bijuu for their power, this list goes on. He even trained with Jiraiya to master Kurama's chakra.

You're really just making yourself look like a blinded hater. I know you're pissed at the Naruto fanboys for some recent Sasuke threads, but you're just straight spewing falsities.

Kurama was a curse and hindered Naruto. He messed with his chakra network, the seal prevented control, and it made life 100 times harder. We don't all get Curse Mark bites and free eyes, you know.

 

[Ultimateone]

i agree, and have stated this on several occasions. he created an s-rank jutsu in a day. he learned sage mode in what 2 days? not just learned it, perfected it. rasengan in seven days. because of the way his chakra was being messed up by the kyuubi, he had o come up with his own unique way of doing it. to me that sounds like a genius. lets not mention the level for which he has take rasengan, minato wished he had a planetary rasengan. think what he would have become if the kyuubi didn't disrupt his chakra or he was trained when he was just a kid instead of being neglected.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

I'm not concerned with anything. Why the hate? It's a nice thread for discussion.



But he did pick all of it easily. He mastered Rasengan in 7 days.

The difference is, Sasuke would've learned it in one day, and maybe make ElectroRasengan by the time he decided he wanted to

 

[residentevil]

anyone can become a genius through hardwork naruto, lee, guy proved it .

excellent thread .

 

[cafe123]

I think Kishi at first wrote Naruto to show how hard work overcomes talent, however Naruto contradicts this, he doesn't work that hard yet he's immensely powerful. Then it became about how with friendship > solo, but even then Naruto's character contradicts this as well with recent chapters.

 

[Xāvî1]

Quite true. Well what you explained are manga facts!

 

[Romy9]

The difference is, Sasuke would've learned it in one day, and maybe make ElectroRasengan by the time he decided he wanted to

The problem with that is that he can't learn it. Just like nobody else from the "Genius department" couldn't.

anyone can become a genius through hardwork naruto, lee, guy proved it .

excellent thread .

Yeah, that's something along the lines of what I wanted to say as well. The state of mind is important point of potential awakening.

I think Kishi at first wrote Naruto to show how hard work overcomes talent, however Naruto contradicts this, he doesn't work that hard yet he's immensely powerful. Then it became about how with friendship > solo, but even then Naruto's character contradicts this as well with recent chapters.

Exactly this! So a hard-working talentless dude needs a day to create an above-S-rank technique? Nah, that can't be it.

Quite true. Well what you explained are manga facts!

Yeah, but people still debate whether his character holds the properties of a Genius. I wanted to say with this thread that we cane easily place him in that department.

 

[AlphaScythian]

He used Kurama's chakra during Chuunin exam without his cooperation.
He mastered Rasengan in a week.
He took it to another level, and made it an above S-rank technique, Rasenshuriken, something Minato, Kakashi or Jiraiya couldn't do, in a matter of hours.
He perfected Senjutsu in a ridiculously short amount of time.

Kurama was interested in corrupting him and widening the seal leeching on nardo's hatred, doesnt count.
Sort of, it took him 600 chapters to make it with 1 hand thou.
Thanks kakashi sensei and miracle clones.
What? How about kabuto? How about madara controlling SM in no time? How about Obito mastering rikudou senjutsu off the bat?

Your feats suck in comparison, he is spoon fed plot protected asspull shonen hero.

 

[Romy9]

Kurama was interested in corrupting him and widening the seal leeching on nardo's hatred, doesnt count.
Sort of, it took him 600 chapters to make it with 1 hand thou.
Thanks kakashi sensei and miracle clones.
What? How about kabuto? How about madara controlling SM in no time? How about Obito mastering rikudou senjutsu off the bat?

Your feats suck in comparison, he is spoon fed plot protected asspull shonen hero.

That's why it's a feat, because Kurama worked against him.
The style of execution doesn't change the effect. Invalid argument.
No thanks to Kakashi, Naruto just got the idea from his statement. The clones are his technique.
I wasn't comparing him to others. Read the topic carefully before hating.

His feats are enough to be called a Genius. Why wouldn't he be? All other Geniuses were fed too.

 

[AlphaScythian]

That's why it's a feat, because Kurama worked against him.
The style of execution doesn't change the effect. Invalid argument.
No thanks to Kakashi, Naruto just got the idea from his statement. The clones are his technique.
I wasn't comparing him to others. Read the topic carefully before hating.

His feats are enough to be called a Genius. Why wouldn't he be? All other Geniuses were fed too.

No, kurama willingly accepted to give him chakra cuz it had gain for itself. Not a feat man, kurama has never denied him chakra on the contrary.

I did validate it(sort of?) lol, but as i said it sux in comparison to others that can form it right.

Thanks to kakashi, he devised the plan to shorten time and even explained him about chakra natures, by himself naruto would still use cho rasengan. Here is where you lack to understand that geniuses didnt rely on good senseis, they pioneered.

You wasnt comparing him, but it makes no sense, how can you name him genius w/o genius benchmark? Sorry failed thread.

 

[Romy9]

No, kurama willingly accepted to give him chakra cuz it had gain for itself. Not a feat man, kurama has never denied him chakra on the contrary.

I did validate it(sort of?) lol, but as i said it sux in comparison to others that can form it right.

Thanks to kakashi, he devised the plan to shorten time and even explained him about chakra natures, by himself naruto would still use cho rasengan. Here is where you lack to understand that geniuses didnt rely on good senseis, they pioneered.

You wasnt comparing him, but it makes no sense, how can you name him genius w/o genius benchmark? Sorry failed thread.

Ne, he didn't during chuunin exam. He extracted the chakra alone.

That's an opinion, not a reason to downplay the feat.

Sasuke was a Genius but Kakashi still taught him Chidori. He didn't invent or learned it by himself because he's a Genius. On the contrary, you don't get what Genius us.

It makes a lot of sense, you just don't get it. Don't flood the thread with negativity though. Thanks.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Ne, he didn't during chuunin exam. He extracted the chakra alone.

That's an opinion, not a reason to downplay the feat.

Sasuke was a Genius but Kakashi still taught him Chidori. He didn't invent or learned it by himself because he's a Genius. On the contrary, you don't get what Genius us.

It makes a lot of sense, you just don't get it. Don't flood the thread with negativity though. Thanks.

Nope, nardo cant extract shit, did nardo extract it also when hebi sasuke nagashi his arse? As i said kurama was currupting him, so it gave the chakra itself.

Someone does it better, a reason enough for me, i only counted it due to short time, still we dont know how long kakashi took for example.

But sasuke developed chidori variants and kirin by himself, fused enton with FRS.

I makes sense for nardo fans maybe, but w/o any kind of genius benchmark your statement has no credibility, just do it right if you wanna prove something.

 

[Romy9]

Nope, nardo cant extract shit, did nardo extract it also when hebi sasuke nagashi his arse? As i said kurama was currupting him, so it gave the chakra itself.

Someone does it better, a reason enough for me, i only counted it due to short time, still we dont know how long kakashi took for example.

But sasuke developed chidori variants and kirin by himself, fused enton with FRS.

I makes sense for nardo fans maybe, but w/o any kind of genius benchmark your statement has no credibility, just do it right if you wanna prove something.

It seems you don't like Naruto as a chaarcter, hence the hate. He extracted it alone, Kurama didn't give it willingly. It was at a time when he was against him, if that refreshes your memory.

A different execution isn't necessarily better. That's your opinion, as I've already said.

Naruto did the same with Rasengans. Your point? THis isn't Naruto vs Sasuke.

My statements have every credibility since I backed it up by facts. Just stop, you obviously don't like him which makes you biased and subjective.

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

Agreed, he's the reincarnation of Ashura [Their true potential will be unleashed through hard work] .​

 

[Ansatsuken]

Actually Naruto is quite talented deep inside him, but there are people that had showing there talent in early stage and there are also a peoples that very late in showing their talent because still learning/personal condition/awareness.

Still learning = they have an ability to assemble or creating something great if given right thing and chance, but because the right thing and chance still not present, what they do is set back and keep waiting the moment to arrive and if the moment is arrive, bang! They will showing their talent to everyone. This is where Naruto place.

Personal condition = the environment to an individual like family pressure, not having self confidence, peoples always look down on him although have great idea. This talented people will having very difficult situation in gaining their confidence, believe of they self, people's support and it will lead to talent wasting of that individual. And in the end this person will not showing any of their talent ever and will become like root learning person without confidence to show off.
Unless they gain motivation and confidence by themself or from motivator. This is where Might Guy place.

Awareness = to someone that still not knowing about their good talent but at one point of time they are showing their talent from nowhere or on the go and it because their body is automatically build the awareness of that talent and they just keep fit/adjust new found ability to them self and polish it and also keep the awareness of their talent intact that they actually had a talent/ a talented person from start but just late to aware it.

 

[Romy9]

Actually Naruto is quite talented deep inside him, but there are people that had showing there talent in early stage and there are also a peoples that very late in showing their talent because still learning/personal condition/awareness.

Still learning = they have an ability to assemble or creating something great if given right thing and chance, but because the right thing and chance still not present, what they do is set back and keep waiting the moment to arrive and if the moment is arrive, bang! They will showing their talent to everyone. This is where Naruto place.

Personal condition = the environment to an individual like family pressure, not having self confidence, peoples always look down on him although have great idea. This talented people will having very difficult situation in gaining their confidence, believe of they self, people's support and it will lead to talent wasting of that individual. And in the end this person will not showing any of their talent ever and will become like root learning person without confidence to show off.
Unless they gain motivation and confidence by themself or from motivator. This is where Might Guy place.

Awareness = to someone that still not knowing about their good talent but at one point of time they are showing their talent from nowhere or on the go and it because their body is automatically build the awareness of that talent and they just keep fit/adjust new found ability to them self and polish it and also keep the awareness of their talent intact that they actually had a talent/ a talented person from start but just late to aware it.

Perfect post. I similarly elaborated my opinion, it's just like that. Nice.

 

[Sharingankingitachi]

A genius is a man with high intellect and qble to figure things with ease.
I mean the Rasengan is ahighly compexed ninjutsu that was based of Bijuudama

 

[Flawž]

I agree.

Naruto in the beginning wasn't a genius for the simple reason that he wasn't mentally/emotionally right. He was hated and had no one to acknowledge him, no one to fuel his motivation, which resulted in him being below average. Once he had people acknowledge him, and his motivation and goals we're fueled, he surpassed even Sasuke easily.

Naruto's potential > everyone's elses.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

When I think about all the Geniuses in this manga, all of them performed greatly and had rapid progression in growth of their abilities as shinobi. You have Hashirama, Madara, Sasuke, Itachi, Minato, Neji etc., labeled Geniuses. But what does "genius" mean in this context?

We can only assume that it's rapid growth because of their talent in the field of being a shinobi. Why only assume? Because we don't actually have any evidence to how long took to master some technique by each of those individuals. We only know that Minato took 3 years to master Rasengan.

Here's where Naruto comes into play. Since he's the main character, we got to see his training and the awesome results that followed:

He used Kurama's chakra during Chuunin exam without his cooperation.
He mastered Rasengan in a week.
He took it to another level, and made it an above S-rank technique, Rasenshuriken, something Minato, Kakashi or Jiraiya couldn't do, in a matter of hours.
He perfected Senjutsu in a ridiculously short amount of time.

Those are some feats that show that Naruto actually has talent and can be placed well withing the aforementioned names. The problem with Naruto not being able to realize his potential is the environment in which he grew up. Mental and psychological health is important if you wanna accomplish extraordinary feats. Since he was hated and didn't have many people who acknowledged him, the potential in him couldn't be awakened or used. The aforementioned Geniuses I mentioned were all labeled as such since the moment they were born. It was a natural thing for the to be it or to do it. Naruto didn't have that luxury so he wasn't portrayed as a Genius. But as manga progressed, he showed that he too can be labeled one, according to his feats and level of ability.

Discuss if necessary.

The reason Naruto is not considered a genius on the level of those others is because he never did anything on his own. Minato researched and studied Kushina's bijuu dama and then attempted and successfully managed to create a training program that enables you to replicate it with human chakra, Naruto didn't do the study and research part and he didn't have to think up a training program that enables you to learn rasengan, he just got everything on the platter, that's the ONLY reason he took less time than Minato, coz he only had to do the easy part. Even with rasenshuriken, Naruto would never have come up with rasengan if he hadn't been told that MINATO (his idea in the first place) wanted to fuse an element to the jutsu, again this is something he had to be told by Kakashi, and Kakashi only knew coz Minato. Naruto is only riding on other people's coattails, even mastering the kyubi's power is something that his parents set up, the new seal that Minato created specifically for him, the seperation of Kyubi into two halves to make it easier to control, sealing Kushina into the seal so that she can give him aid in mastering the kyubi (love and chakra chains to hold down kyubi for him). Seriously this shouldn't even be debateable. Neji mastered hyuga clan techniques on his own too, techniques that were not accessible to the branch family but he recreated and mastered them by just observing. There is no comparison between Madara and Naruto, there is no way Naruto could have managed even half the feats Madara achieved without being spoon feeded and handed free power-ups. Madara worked for everything he had and did alot of research (History of the shinobi world, medical/scientific knowledge for dna and body part tansplants, ie Obito made out of half zetsu) and experimentation (Hashirama cells, zetsu, gedo mazou) to get what he managed in the end. Itachi, well that one is debateable, as far as we are aware Itachi never created any single jutsu, well I guess except for Amateresu transcription seal, but he was more of a genius in terms of psychology and battle strategy, I guess Naruto matches him with talk no jutsu and his unpredictable battle strategies .(I know it sounds stupid but fact of the matter is Naruto has manipulated everyone, Itachi included, to side with him through talk no jutsu)

 

[Curteth]

Naruto has to work hard to get all of his new stuff. That's y he's not considered a genius. For a genius, the technique would be picked up easily, but Naruto has to bust his ass to learn and get better as a shinobi cuz he's not the smartest. I think genius also refers to battle knowledge. Like, Sasuke vs Deidera is always the battle i think of that shows how Sasuke is a true genius. He thought everything through and showed his skills in the heat of battle. Naruto doesn't always think things through and rushes in and this is why he isn't a genius like sasuke and neji and stuff

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