BSM Naruto vs 8th Gate Gai

[BlackFlame44]

The only time Juubito ever blitzed Naruto was when he was only using KCM. BM Naruto on the other hand was able to react to Juubito's sub-revalistic Bijudama, which are far faster than anything else he has.​

1. This isn't OBD there's sub relavustic anything in Naruto

2. Minato was the one used the FTG to warp the alliance Naruto only melded his chakra with him so the plan w

Sekizo was blocked by the Gudo Dama every single time it intercepted it, the only ever got through when he actually hit Madara first. Which was likely because it disturbed his chakra control.

Uhm... No

Infact the complete opposite

Madara blocked the Sekizo once right after Guy got his second wind

After that steps 2-4 all connected

Naruto doesn't need to be able to react to him, the avatar blocks it.

Kurama had no feats indicating he can take a full on assault from 8 Gates Guy

Yagai gets Gai killed while he's crouching on the ground. Madara not taking advantage of the situation has nothing to do with a vs thread where PIS/CIS is off.

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Except the charge time is pretty mini up as far as openings go

And what exactly can Naruto do before getting Guys foot shoved up his ass?

 

[MadaraReturns]

gai with 1 night moth leaves naruto without a corpse

 

[Kagustuchi]

1. This isn't OBD there's sub relavustic anything in Naruto

2. Minato was the one used the FTG to warp the alliance Naruto only melded his chakra with him so the plan w

I never said it was, but its fact that Naruto is Hypersonic with the things they've done. It doesn't even need to be categorized like that anyway. All of Juubito's speed feats pale in comparison to his Bijudama which crosses countries in mere moments.

Naruto reactions in BSM would be on par if not better than BM Minato's, Naruto had to mold his chakra to Minato's for it to work as well.

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Uhm... No

Infact the complete opposite

Madara blocked the Sekizo once right after Guy got his second wind

After that steps 2-4 all connected

You said they got through Gudo Dama. Which it never did, it connected because Madara hadn't put up his defense yet. Sekizo never broke a Gudo Dama without hitting Madara first.

Not to mention that the defense he used completely blocked his line of sight. The only time Gai connected was when Madara couldn't see him.​

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Kurama had no feats indicating he can take a full on assault from 8 Gates Guy

Endured the Juubi's Bijudama that ripped through mountain ranges.​

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Except the charge time is pretty mini up as far as openings go

And what exactly can Naruto do before getting Guys foot shoved up his ass?

Madara had enough time to recognize that it was final attack and carry out multiple sentences [

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Madara reacted to it as well, he just had no means to defend himself [

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[BlackFlame44]

I never said it was, but its fact that Naruto is Hypersonic with the things they've done. It doesn't even need to be categorized like that anyway.



All of Juubito's speed feats pale in comparison to his Bijudama which crosses countries in mere moments.​

It didn't exactly get there in a few seconds

The HQ had time to think of a plan and relay it to the alliance and even speaklast words to their loved ones before they got blown up

Naruto reactions in BSM would be on par if not better than BM Minato's, Naruto had to mold his chakra to Minato's for it to work as well.

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The alliance had enough to set up earth barriers when the ten tails fired his bomb

And Bee able to jump infront of it, do they have KCM Minato level reactions too?

You said they got through Gudo Dama. Which it never did,​

No... You said that Guy onlt Hit Madara once... while the exact opposite happened

it connected because Madara hadn't put up his defense yet. Sekizo never broke a Gudo Dama without hitting Madara first.

Which means nothing Naruto isn't as durable as the Gudodama itself or if Guy

Not to mention that the defense he used completely blocked his line of sight. The only time Gai connected was when Madara couldn't see him.

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Fanfic Lol

Endured the Juubi's Bijudama that ripped through mountain ranges.​

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Obito over powered Naruto through Physical Strength

Who inturn is overpowered by Madara through Physical strength

And Since Guy Overpowers both he outclasses Narutp

Madara had enough time to recognize that it was final attack and carry out multiple sentences [

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Saying a few things is a lot easier than attacking You knew

Plus A Tailed Beast Bomb also takes time to charge

Madara reacted to it as well, he just had no means to defend himself [

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In this sense I guess you could say that Tobirama reacted to Ten Tailed Obito

 

[Rιver]

The only time Juubito ever blitzed Naruto was when he was only using KCM. BM Naruto on the other hand was able to react to Juubito's sub-revalistic Bijudama, which are far faster than anything else he has. Sekizo was blocked by the Gudo Dama every single time it intercepted it, the only ever got through when he actually hit Madara first. Which was likely because it disturbed his chakra control.

There's no such thing as relativistic speed as measurement. It's the speed where you, the observer are moving. The speed that approaches the speed of light, and at times, significantly. But is there an official value for this? No, and there will never be one. OBD/NF Googled this for quick analysis and saw the word relativistic, which got them ''zomg LS goku vegta reltvistc'' which they added to charts. OBD knows nothing about real science, I've said it many times. Furthermore, subrelativistic is something that doesn't exist in science.

Moreso, this is Naruto and not multiversal. The Mach 24 000 only works in multiversal debates - not in Naruto.

The Gudō Dama isn't dependent in chakra control unlike the rods. And Naruto never reacted to the Bijū Dama, Minato did by using Hiraishin. That's also just a reaction feat; nothing more. He wouldn't be able to evade it even by an inch to left. Nothing suggests so.​

Naruto doesn't need to be able to react to him, the avatar blocks it. Yagai gets Gai killed while he's crouching on the ground. Madara not taking advantage of the situation has nothing to do with a vs thread where PIS/CIS is off.

He can always dodge or repel the attack back with sheer speed like Naruto did to Bijū's. Nothing also suggests Naruto gets past Sekizō.​

 

[STOPGAI2014]

There's no such thing as relativistic speed as measurement. It's the speed where you, the observer are moving. The speed that approaches the speed of light light, and at times, significantly. But is there an official value for this? No, and there will never be one. OBD/NF Googled this for quick analysis and saw the word relativistic, which got them ''zomg LS goku vegta reltvistc'' which they added to charts. OBD knows nothing about real science, I've said it many times. Furthermore, subrelativistic is something that doesn't exist in science.

Moreso, this is Naruto and not multiversal. The Mach 24 000 only works in multiversal debates - not in Naruto.

The Gudō Dama isn't dependent in chakra control unlike the rods. And Naruto never reacted to the Bijū Dama, Minato did by using Hiraishin. That's also just a reaction feat; nothing more. He wouldn't be able to evade it even by an inch to left. Nothing suggests so.​

He can always dodge or repel the attack back with sheer speed like Naruto did to Bijū's. Nothing also suggests Naruto gets past Sekizō.​

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Also it was downgraded to mach 4k after revisions to the calc

 

[Kagustuchi]

It didn't exactly get there in a few seconds

The HQ had time to think of a plan and relay it to the alliance and even speaklast words to their loved ones before they got blown up

Deva Path was able to carry out multiple complete thoughts in under a second when dodging FRS. That example proves nothing. They did all this during the charge period, the fast part of a Bijudama is after its been fired.​

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No... You said that Guy onlt Hit Madara once... while the exact opposite happened

Or you just can't read. I never said that he only hit Gai once, I said the only times he got hit were when Sekizo hit Madara first.​

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Which means nothing Naruto isn't as durable as the Gudodama itself or if Guy

He doesn't need to react to anything when the BM avatar is up.​

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Fanfic Lol

Except it actually happen. Madara blocked the first step both times, he only hit him on the second attempt after his vision was blocked by blocking the first step.​

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Obito over powered Naruto through Physical Strength

Who inturn is overpowered by Madara through Physical strength

And Since Guy Overpowers both he outclasses Narutp

This makes no sense, nor does it even begin to prove that Sekizo or Yaiga are as powerful as the Juubi's Bijudama. Which is insane in the first place.​

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Saying a few things is a lot easier than attacking You knew

Plus A Tailed Beast Bomb also takes time to charge

Yes, it easier. Not faster, especially when characters are making multiple statements, carrying out conversations, and having flash backs the whole time he's charging.

You havn't provided a single piece of evidence to Yaiga's charge time being minuscule.

Bijudama's charge times aren't long, if they even have one for Naruto. Fire it at the same speed Sasuke could shoot his Arrow, Which has not charage [

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In this sense I guess you could say that Tobirama reacted to Ten Tailed Obito

Because he did. It was only enough to place tags though.​

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There's no such thing as relativistic speed as measurement. It's the speed where you, the observer are moving. The speed that approaches the speed of light light, and at times, significantly. But is there an official value for this? No, and there will never be one. OBD/NF Googled this for quick analysis and saw the word relativistic, which got them ''zomg LS goku vegta reltvistc'' which they added to charts. OBD knows nothing about real science, I've said it many times. Furthermore, subrelativistic is something that doesn't exist in science.

Moreso, this is Naruto and not multiversal. The Mach 24 000 only works in multiversal debates - not in Naruto.

The Gudō Dama isn't dependent in chakra control unlike the rods. And Naruto never reacted to the Bijū Dama, Minato did by using Hiraishin. That's also just a reaction feat; nothing more. He wouldn't be able to evade it even by an inch to left. Nothing suggests so.​

He can always dodge or repel the attack back with sheer speed like Naruto did to Bijū's. Nothing also suggests Naruto gets past Sekizō.​

It can still be used as a way to classify it. Though that doesn't matter here, its speed is still far beyond anything else Juubito has.

Sekizo can't even get by Naruto's BM avatar nor does he have to use speed to catch Gai, his AoE is more than enough for that.​

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Also it was downgraded to mach 4k after revisions to the calc

''The boundary for when a particle becomes relativistic is impossible to define, but a particle can generally be said to be relativistic when Newtonian mechanics no longer provides an accurate description which, within a margin of error of 1%, is 10% of the speed of light for the speeds of the associated masses under consideration.''

Saved me from trouble. There is no boundary to relativistic speed.

It was totally wrong anyway... the time frame was messed up.​

It can still be used as a way to classify it. Though that doesn't matter here, its speed is still far beyond anything else Juubito has.

Sekizo can't even get by Naruto's BM avatar nor does he have to use speed to catch Gai, his AoE is more than enough for that.​

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But Naruto never reacted to it.

It doesn't actually get through it, it paralyzes at first and then damages the body. Naruto's defense is not stronger than Gudō Dama, as seen how it grappled easily his avatar and was crushing it [

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[King Of Pop]

i dont see how this is debatable tbh, gai was wrecking a juubi jin god tier opponent, he turns naruto to paste here.

 

[STOPGAI2014]

''The boundary for when a particle becomes relativistic is impossible to define, but a particle can generally be said to be relativistic when Newtonian mechanics no longer provides an accurate description which, within a margin of error of 1%, is 10% of the speed of light for the speeds of the associated masses under consideration.''

Saved me from trouble. There is no boundary to relativistic speed.

It was totally wrong anyway... the time frame was messed up.​

I haven't really read it in depth so I can't say anything about the timeframe and I'm pretty sure it says on their wiki that sub relativistic isn't actually a thing it's just for convenience

 

[Rιver]

I haven't really read it in depth so I can't say anything about the timeframe and I'm pretty sure it says on their wiki that sub relativistic isn't actually a thing it's just for convenience

Well, if you read it then you can see that he took the time frame out of nowhere (which everybody complained about), and used distance that was pretty much wrong calculated (it wasn't really vertical).

Yeah, but they use it even though they shouldn't. OBD is for kids.​

 

[QdonEms]

Gai shits on naruto. i thought everyone already knew this.

 

[STOPGAI2014]

Well, if you read it then you can see that he took the time frame out of nowhere (which everybody complained about), and used distance that was pretty much wrong calculated (it wasn't really vertical).

Yeah, but they use it even though they shouldn't. OBD is for kids.​

Lol all multiversal debate forums are kinda childish. Where do you belong to if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Rιver]

Lol all multiversal debate forums are kinda childish. Where do you belong to if you don't mind me asking?

You mean... sections? Here and there. Nowhere.​

 

[STOPGAI2014]

You mean... sections? Here and there. Nowhere.​

I was under the impression you belonged to another forum that was my question and I was just reading the original calc because the second one used the same time frame. They used debris free fall to get a time frame so not a random number obviously idk if the timeframe they got is correct but they didn't throw out a random timeframe

 

[BlackFlame44]

Deva Path was able to carry out multiple complete thoughts in under a second when dodging FRS. That example proves nothing. They did all this during the charge period, the fast part of a Bijudama is after its been fired.​

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No they didn't they affirmed the trajectory of the Bomb after it fired

And I hope you're not sayong that Shikaku and Inoichi relayed all those communications in only a few seconds?

Or you just can't read. I never said that he only hit Gai once, I said the only times he got hit were when Sekizo hit Madara first.​

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Whoch was everytime

He doesn't need to react to anything when the BM avatar is up.​

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So Naruto's his punching Bag

Except it actually happen. Madara blocked the first step both times, he only hit him on the second attempt after his vision was blocked by blocking the first step.​

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He only blocked the first one when Guy got his second wind

The second time Guy went around the back so it's moot wether or not Madara could see infront of him

Also he did turn around and all he got was an elephant foot in his face

This makes no sense, nor does it even begin to prove that Sekizo or Yaiga are as powerful as the Juubi's Bijudama. Which is insane in the first place.​

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Buddy Obito was enough rip off his shroud just by throwing him into the ground

Madara surpasses him in that category

And Guy is stronger than that

Yes, it easier. Not faster, especially when characters are making multiple statements, carrying out conversations, and having flash backs the whole time he's charging.

You havn't provided a single piece of evidence to Yaiga's charge time being minuscule.

Bijudama's charge times aren't long, if they even have one for Naruto. Fire it at the same speed Sasuke could shoot his Arrow, Which has not charage [

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No you just think it's long enough for Naruto to somehow pull a win by getting in a lucky shot

By this Logic Itachi beats 8 Gate Guy just by using Amaterasu even tho that requires charge too

Even tho the attack itself would be so fast it would splatter Naruto's corpse like a grape

 

[Haizaki]

i dont see how this is debatable tbh, gai was wrecking a juubi jin god tier opponent, he turns naruto to paste here.

Man I don't even know anymore.

 

[Kagustuchi]

No they didn't they affirmed the trajectory of the Bomb after it fired

And I hope you're not sayong that Shikaku and Inoichi relayed all those communications in only a few seconds?

If your going to completely ignore what I posted then don't reply. Your rebuttal is already there.​

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Whoch was everytime

Or not.

The first time he used it Madara blocked it, then Gai had to pause because of the pain. The second time it was used Madara blocked the first step yet again, then was hit by the follow ups.​

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So Naruto's his punching Bag

No, the Avatar withstands Sekizo. From there, Gai gets nuked.​

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He only blocked the first one when Guy got his second wind

The second time Guy went around the back so it's moot wether or not Madara could see infront of him

Also he did turn around and all he got was an elephant foot in his face

That's the whole point, defending against the first step blocked his vision. Or is this concept to hard to grasp for you?​

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Buddy Obito was enough rip off his shroud just by throwing him into the ground

Madara surpasses him in that category

And Guy is stronger than that

No evidence that Gai's strength approaches that level. A SM Rasengan was enough to damage Obito's body, but Sekizo didn't do any real damage to Madara other than coughing up blood. Which Sasuke is capable of piercing Madara with just his Katana.​

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No you just think it's long enough for Naruto to somehow pull a win by getting in a lucky shot

By this Logic Itachi beats 8 Gate Guy just by using Amaterasu even tho that requires charge too

Even tho the attack itself would be so fast it would splatter Naruto's corpse like a grape

This doesn't counter anything at all. Concession accepted.​

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[BlackFlame44]

If your going to completely ignore what I posted then don't reply. Your rebuttal is already there.​

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Or not.

The first time he used it Madara blocked it, then Gai had to pause because of the pain. The second time it was used Madara blocked the first step yet again, then was hit by the follow ups.​

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Madara blocked it... Yet was still blacked out and had bruises all over

No, the Avatar withstands Sekizo. From there, Gai gets nuked.​

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Since when is Kurama more durable than the Ten Tailed Madara?

That's the whole point, defending against the first step blocked his vision. Or is this concept to hard to grasp for you?​

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What does it matter that it blocked the vision IN FRONT OF HIM

When Guy came from behind?

No evidence that Gai's strength approaches that level. A SM Rasengan was enough to damage Obito's body, but Sekizo didn't do any real damage to Madara other than coughing up blood. Which Sasuke is capable of piercing Madara with just his Katana.​

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Bro, How is Guy burying Madara A mile deep not evidence that he overpowers him?


The Damage sekizo did internal and for a brief second Madara could hardly move

You keep trying to compare two completely different fighters with strengths on a different plane

Guy Over Powered the Ten Tailed Jinchurikki through basic powerscaling he can overpower the Nine Tails'

It's as simple as that

This doesn't counter anything at all. Concession accepted.​

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Except for the fact that your scenario is selective in which Guy can't charge his move just so Naruto can get a hit in

 

[madvictory]

Naruuto is never reacting to Night moth or Evening Elephant,
not to mention that his defenses wont suffice against attacks of this magnitude either,

Juudara wasnt playing games seeing how

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and the fact that Juudara is on a whole other level compared to BSM Naruto, and was pushed to absolute limits against him, where as BSM naruto almost died against RT Madara (a much weaker form),

Yes, Gai almost "killed him" because he was playing with him. Jesus with that weak evidence of yours, man.