Madara Amaterasu

[Killua Zoldyck]

Why not?Is it really inconceivable to believe there might have been more MS users than just Izuna or Madara during a time where the Uchiha were constantly at war?The Sharingan evolves when the Uchiha feel immense feelings of sadness or despair,in war they would've lost a lot of close friends and family.

No, but its inconceivable that someone who was capable of using Enton woud not be named.

Everything points towards Izuna being capable of using Enton, I don't see why you should ignore it and say a fodder was capable of doing it over Izuna.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

No, but its inconceivable that someone who was capable of using Enton woud not be named.

Everything points towards Izuna being capable of using Enton, I don't see why you should ignore it and say a fodder was capable of doing it over Izuna.

Considering we never saw Izuna in action with his MS that's not confirmed way or the other.I'm just laying out another equally possible explanation for how Tobirama knew of Enton.

 

[Blackdeath667]

Killua zoldyck is right

Nobody has said anything about there being an ms user other than shisui,izuna,madara

If their wAs it would have been mention by itachi or hiruzen or even danzo lol


Why are u so bent on izuna not having amatarasu. It makes more since

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Killua zoldyck is right

Nobody has said anything about there being an ms user other than shisui,izuna,madara

If their wAs it would have been mention by at least itachi who knew of the clans history lol


Why are u so bent on izuna not having amatarasu. It makes more since

Nobody said anything about the Sage having two brothers either or that Madara used Izanagi to revive himself,information is lost over time.And I'm not against Izuna having Amaterasu,but there is no proof either way.

 

[lelerskates]

Tobirama also lived long after Madara and Izuna were gone,whose to say he didn't encounter another MS user that wasn't mentioned?

That's an asspull theory and you know it. MS is literally the rarest ability an Uchiha can unlock without taking anyone elses eyes. Why would Kishi leave someone out of the manga who had MS and Amaterasu? You make no sense.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Nobody said anything about the Sage having two brothers either or that Madara used Izanagi to revive himself,information is lost over time.And I'm not against Izuna having Amaterasu,but there is no proof either way.

But now they did so.......

Considering we never saw Izuna in action with his MS that's not confirmed way or the other.I'm just laying out another equally possible explanation for how Tobirama knew of Enton.

Its heavily implied, I stress the word heavily. Its way more logical to assume Izuna did infact have it with the proof given, then to assume that their was some nameless fodder Uchiha with MS that was capable of using Enton. It almost seems as if you are trying to convince yourself that Izuna did not have.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

It takes several Suiton users just to block it though.Madara's Katon is one of the strongest in the series because of it's power and range.

Those suiton users where fodders. Mei later blocked one with a single suiton.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Those suiton users where fodders. Mei later blocked one with a single suiton.

She also had to use multiple Suiton techniques just to counter one of Madara's Katon techniques.That speaks for itself.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

But now they did so.......



Its heavily implied, I stress the word heavily. Its way more logical to assume Izuna did infact have it with the proof given, then to assume that their was some nameless fodder Uchiha with MS that was capable of using Enton. It almost seems as if you are trying to convince yourself that Izuna did not have.

Why would I do that?If there's proof of Izuna having Amaterasu then show it,otherwise my explanation is just as plausible as yours.

 

[Blackdeath667]

Why would I do that?If there's proof of Izuna having Amaterasu then show it,otherwise my explanation is just as plausible as yours.

Your logic is

Either izuna can or an unknown can??

Thats like saying

Either muu taught onoki most of his earth techs or an unknown did

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Your logic is

Either izuna can or an unknown can??

Thats like saying

Either muu taught onoki most of his earth techs or an unknown did

It's called providing another possible theory for something.

I provided a easily plausible explanation for another MS user having Amaterasu by using how a Sharingan evolves as proof.Where's the proof that Izuna has Amaterasu?

 

[Blackdeath667]

It's called providing another possible explanation for something.

Burden of proof is on the person making the claim,I provided a easily plausible explanation for another MS user having Amaterasu by using how a Sharingan evolves as proof.Where's the proof that Izuna has Amaterasu?

I see what your saying..but by your logic someone else could have easily taught onoki his doton techs since it was not literally stated that muu did

Tobirama and hashi compare sasuke(an enton user with)izuna

Izuna has ms(a doujutsu required for ama)
And tobirama states he's seen enton before(plus izuna was his rival)

All implies izuna has it

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I see what your saying..but by your logic someone else could have easily taught onoki his doton techs since it was not literally stated that muu did

Tobirama and hashi compare sasuke(an enton user with)izuna

Izuna has ms(a doujutsu required for ama)
And tobirama states he's seen enton before(plus izuna was his rival)

All implies izuna has it

The Onoki point is irrevelant since there's already proof that he learned Jinton from Mu on account of being his student.Again my explanation is just as plausible as the Izuna one until further evidence comes to light that proves he had Amaterasu.

 

[Blackdeath667]

The Onoki point is irrevelant since there's already proof that he learned Jinton from Mu on account of being his student.Again my explanation is just as plausible as the Izuna one until further evidence comes to light that proves he had Amaterasu.

So why compare sasuke to izuna soo much then

For the onoki part by your logic soneone else could have lol


Muu was never stated to have taught him that, but is HIGHLY LIKELY

SAME with izuna and ama

If there was another ms user danzo itachi ir even hiruzen would have said it early on,plus tobitama would have if ot was an unknown

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

So why compare sasuke to izuna soo much then

For the onoki part by your logic soneone else could have lol

Muu was never stated to have taught him that, but is HIGHLY LIKELY

SAME with izuna and ama

If there was another ms user danzo itachi ir even hiruzen would have said it early on,plus tobitama would have if ot was an unknown

Are you being intentionally dense or what?There's manga scans showing where Onoki learned Jinton from,he even said Mu taught him Jinton during his time as the latter's student.


This is the last I'll repeat myself:Until there is irrefutable and concrete proof that Izuna has Amaterasu,then the theory that another random MS user had it is just as possible.

 

[Blackdeath667]

Are you being intentionally dense or what?There's manga scans showing Onoki where he learned Jinton from,he even said Mu taught him Jinton during his time as the latter's student.


This is the last I'll repeat myself:Until there is irrefutable and concrete proof that Izuna has Amaterasu,then the theory that another random MS user had it is just as possible.

Jinton =/= earth techs

So like i said by YOUR logic someone else could have taught him them

Another thing you say an ms user with amatarsu may have been unknown...think at that, that is nearly impossible especially sense

By what your saying tobirama fought them...if this true WHY WAS THEY never mention by hiruzen or danzo lool

The problem with yur theroy is that their are to many holes.. Izuna fits perfectly with it

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Jinton =/= earth techs

So like i said by YOUR logic someone else could have taught him them

Another thing you say an ms user with amatarsu may have been unknown...think at that, that is nearly impossible especially sense

By what your saying tobirama fought them...if this true WHY WAS THEY never mention by hiruzen or danzo lool

The problem with yur theroy is that their are to many holes.. Izuna fits perfectly with it

*Sighs*I'm done.There's no point in me continuing to discuss this with someone who uses strawmen in place of evidence supporting their argument.

Jinton is Fire+Earth+Wind btw,so your crappy analogy was flawed from the beginning.

 

[Blackdeath667]

*Sighs*I'm done.There's no point in me continuing to discuss this with someone who uses strawmen in place of evidence supporting their argument.

Jinton is Fire+Earth+Wind btw.

Funny how you contradict yourself by defending yur theroy but go against it

Onoki is muu student/ tobirama compare sasuke to. Izuna

Jinton requires earth techs/ ama requires ms

Tobirama was izunas rival

Also your theroy has less credability then are's since what your saying is a character not know(not created) has it

 

[Darkakatsuki]

The Onoki point is irrevelant since there's already proof that he learned Jinton from Mu on account of being his student.Again my explanation is just as plausible as the Izuna one until further evidence comes to light that proves he had Amaterasu.

Your theory is indeed plausible, no one can deny that. But it is DEFINITELY not 'just' as plausible as the Izuna one, that is where your personal bias against Izuna becomes evident. Two theories can both be plausible but they are not neccessarily in equal measure. Out of a hundred I'd say the ratio is round about 60-40, 60 percent chance Izuna is the one with enton and 40 percent chance that it is some random Uchiha. Using common sense and logic, there is no way your theory is equally plausible with the Izuna theory.