Edo Tensei, the most useless jutsu...

[lelerskates]

Summoning requires a contract with species/person. Point?

Except there is no contract with edo. They are summoning the dead without their permission therefore there is no mutual agreement. Or did you not read the manga when everyone was brought back by Kabuto and they were pissed? Should I define what a contract is to you also?

Good, at least you didn't deny they are using their own chakra to summon all those souls. @Bold Now please tell me whos chakra are the casters using to in order to use their Edo Tensei?

They aren't only using their own chakra. Do you not like to read? They are also using the chakra of the sacrificed being to power the edo. The caster just uses their own chakra to CONTROL the edo.



Oh so like, he makes a contract with the DNA he has? Interesting, thats exactly how summoning techniques works, cool.

I already addressed this.

Lol try again.

Lol you should try again because your post did nothing but help me further destroy your bias towards edo tensei

So here we are. You are defeated and proved nothing.

 

[KingHashirama]

Ah i remember people bashing me for coming out and saying these things XD

 

[Curteth]

Guys while edo tensei is a summoning technique, its still not like the most summoning,
since the user is fighting from another character,
thats like saying, that whateveer Edo Madara, did, Kabuto can do as well, since kabuto summoned him
thats clearly NOT the case,

its also not valid to list edo tensei in TOP 10 lists due to the fact that theere are far too many variables to be considered as well as the fact that the entities that they are fighting through, are the ones who have the feeats,
NOT the users themselves,

i never stated that ET is a useless jutsu in the NB, certainly not, but using it in Top 10 lists just sparks controversy and makes the list inaccurate,

Counter argument: so what about Nasgato abd Pein... Are they not considered part of Nagato's power because of the state of his actual being ? Is that an exception because he's handicap ?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

So here we are. You are defeated and proved nothing.

"Except there is no contract with edo. They are summoning the dead without their permission therefore there is no mutual agreement. Or did you not read the manga when everyone was brought back by Kabuto and they were pissed? Should I define what a contract is to you also?"

Contact =/= Need permission for Summoning class, other wise Gumabunta would have no choice to be summon by Naruto[

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"They aren't only using their own chakra. Do you not like to read? They are also using the chakra of the sacrificed being to power the edo. The caster just uses their own chakra to CONTROL the edo."

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I guess I did not read that part that chakra is being used from the sacrifice. Please show me the scan of that statement.

 

[paratise]

- Says ET is utilizing someone else's power thus invalid.

- Tries to prove through someone else's post.

Thread is invalid because you can not make a point while not using another person's post.
Also i do not know where to begin about this, it is one of the most shallow and dumbest things i saw in NB and that's a bold statement:

I'm glad my favorite character has real powers that he can use on this site and I recommend every Orochimaru and Kabuto fans to look after a new favorite character with real OP jutsus that are allowed on NB and not ET which doesn't work here (because of the reasons stated above) because I feel bad for you. It must be really painful to see your favs always getting solo'd in the VS section... (unless his enemy is someone who's really weak, eg Sakura or Kiba.

The only thing that is produced by you in fhis thread is this garbage. Rest is borrowed. I reccomend every NB member to make threads through more of their own opinions and words including OP.

 

[Nattana]

Haters gon' hate.

 

[ARGUS]

Counter argument: so what about Nasgato abd Pein... Are they not considered part of Nagato's power because of the state of his actual being ? Is that an exception because he's handicap ?

Nagato uses his own chakra to power up the peins, and his own chakra recievers,
and they operate exactly through nagatos chakra, not to mention that they have the same arsenal as nagato,

edo tenseis clearly dont have the same arsenal as the one who summons them

 

[Curteth]

Nagato uses his own chakra to power up the peins, and his own chakra recievers,
and they operate exactly through nagatos chakra, not to mention that they have the same arsenal as nagato,

edo tenseis clearly dont have the same arsenal as the one who summons them

Valid points, though what about the peins that were also ET's that Obito used...

 

[ARGUS]

Valid points, though what about the peins that were also ET's that Obito used...

They were still controlled by obito due to the chakra recievers that were embedded within them,
just the bodies themselves were edo tensei due to them being jins and possessing the bijuu during their reign
so its 50/50 in that regard

 

[Nattana]

They were still controlled by obito due to the chakra recievers that were embedded within them,
just the bodies themselves were edo tensei due to them being jins and possessing the bijuu during their reign
so its 50/50 in that regard

So what about Orochimaru controlling his Edo with Fuda? You're contradicting yourself.

 

[ARGUS]

So what about Orochimaru controlling his Edo with Fuda? You're contradicting yourself.

No, i clearly said its 50/50 in that regard since both of them have somewhat of a control,
however orochimaru controlling edos with fuda still means that the other chracters are fighting, and any feats that thhey display wont be orochimarus,

 

[Brother Numpsay]

edo tenseis clearly dont have the same arsenal as the one who summons them[/FONT]

And summonings do?

and any feats that thhey display wont be orochimarus,

Why does that matter? Do summonings have to display the same feat as the caster?

 

[Nattana]

No, i clearly said its 50/50 in that regard since both of them have somewhat of a control,
however orochimaru controlling edos with fuda still means that the other chracters are fighting, and any feats that thhey display wont be orochimarus,

So what about Sasori and his human puppets? Or Kakuzu? Guruguru? Many character throughout the serier have used other characters as tools, but looks like only Orochimaru and Kabuto are having their jutsu restricted.

 

[genii96]

Lmao,another one trying to bring down edo tensei. It is a summoning jutsu,it his his arsenal,deal with it.

 

[Conspirator.]

Kifflom is right. Oro and Kabuto fans can stay irate.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kifflom is right. Oro and Kabuto fans can stay irate.

Only one who is being irate is the ones who refuse to accept it as any other summoning technique.

 

[Curteth]

And summonings do?




Why does that matter? Do summonings have to display the same feat as the caster?

So like, the animal summons are also supposed too have the same feats or something...

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

its because a summoning is different from edo tensei,
edo tensei requires ANOTHER CHARACTER to fight, and giving another characters feats to kabuto/orochimaru is definitely invalid,

a summoning and bijuu are different since they fight alongside the character and most of the times have a contract, not to mention that summonings themselves are never considered in top ten lists, (which is where my quote is taken from), and entities such as the juubi itself arent in the top 10 either despite it being very capable of doing so,
people discard summonings in their top 10 lists everytime, yet when Edo Tensei is discraded despite the fact that ANOTHER character is fighting and despite the fact that the feats displayed from that character shouldnt be going to the ET user,
people seem to be going crazy, when its even worse to include them
and including edo tensei in top 10 is even worse based on the fact that there are too many varibales to consider,

madara using the kyuubi was counted due to the fact that he had a summoning with kurama, and could control it as well as use his OWN arseanl with it, such as covering it with PS
furthermore his victory wouldve counted because him using kurama is still the same as naruto using his,

I'm sorry, but your logic is entirely flawed.

For one thing, it can't be said that Kabuto knows Jinton by extension of controlling Muu, it's still Muu's ability, but Muu is only fighting because of Kabuto's power. His spirit is bound to the land of the living by Edo Tensei, so he literally exists because of Kabuto's power, and his actions are dictated by Kabuto's power. He is no longer a person, he is an animated corpse with no free-will, he is a tool. While he has a consciousness (if Kabuto allows it), he has no control over himself. He is aesthetically no different from a Pein body, or Sasori's puppets.

Kurama does not have a contract, he's simply being controlled by Uchiha/Senju powers. Summons do have contracts, but they are not controlled and can still choose to obey or not. They are both outside presences, but are brought into battle by the power of the user, the power of Madara's eyes or the power of the user's contract. Edo Tensei is just like them, with the exception that the Edo Tenseis are NOT outside presences and only exist because of the power of the user. Hell, Black Zetsu is an outside presence helping Kaguya, but he exists because of Kaguya's power.
In all three cases, Bijuus, summons, or zombies, they are tools of the user because it requires their power to use them.

Kurama is binded to Naruto's soul, Madara just walked up to Kurama and said "You're coming with me."

Besides, it's peoples' choices not to include Bijuus on top ten lists, opting to only use people, but that is no excuse. Edo Tensei is very straight-forward, the only real variable is who's resurrected.

 

[WalksInShadows]

but kabuto is top ten without edo tensei tho :|

i don't thiink so. W/o it, he's just a user of what is a particularly garbage SM; aside from the jutsu that was given by virtue of having certain ppl's DNA.

its because a summoning is different from edo tensei,
edo tensei requires ANOTHER CHARACTER to fight, and giving another characters feats to kabuto/orochimaru is definitely invalid,

a summoning and bijuu are different since they fight alongside the character and most of the times have a contract, not to mention that summonings themselves are never considered in top ten lists, (which is where my quote is taken from), and entities such as the juubi itself arent in the top 10 either despite it being very capable of doing so,
people discard summonings in their top 10 lists everytime, yet when Edo Tensei is discraded despite the fact that ANOTHER character is fighting and despite the fact that the feats displayed from that character shouldnt be going to the ET user,
people seem to be going crazy, when its even worse to include them
and including edo tensei in top 10 is even worse based on the fact that there are too many varibales to consider,

madara using the kyuubi was counted due to the fact that he had a summoning with kurama, and could control it as well as use his OWN arseanl with it, such as covering it with PS
furthermore his victory wouldve counted because him using kurama is still the same as naruto using his,

ET bends t/s to summon the intended person to their location, because it generally returned the person back as they were when they were last alive. An ET'd person can operate with or w/o the user's instruction, just like a regular summoning, and the acquired DNA and soul of the summoned party is the contract. It is aptly called a summoning jutsu because it's mechanics are really no different from those of a regular summoning jutsu.

 

[super yang]

I agree that ET shouldn't be in(my own personal) top 10 lists, but I base it on more simpler reasons:

1. its stupid, imo, to have those same people in the list; death means nothing in fiction.
half those characters didn't have any feats before ET.

_its stupid, imo, to then rank the characters below the ET user when they cant fight each other w/o having a mirror match.
ET is a jutsu?? then take every one of those characters out of the list~

2. ET is clearly not a ''jutsu''. its an excuse to develop characters & stretch the literature.
Tobiramas weapon skills & ingenuity have no necessary attachment to it -- he created shadow clones too *wink*
Kabuto is top 10 w/o it
Oro is top 20 w/o it