Talent and Hardwork in team 7

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naruto>sakura in talent.
Naruto has no talent,
It's written in stone
Ashura had no talent either.
They had to work hard and come into power.

Sakura already had the power and skill, she just needed to be swayed in the direction.

Naruto talent is unrealistic.
His words of compassion that melts people's hearts of ice
 

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Naruto has no talent,
It's written in stone
Ashura had no talent either.
They had to work hard and come into power.

Sakura already had the power and skill, she just needed to be swayed in the direction.

Naruto talent is unrealistic.
His words of compassion that melts people's hearts of ice
learning kb in one night

learning perfect sm in one week

instantly learning medical jutsu and etc... it's no talent
 

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Naruto has no talent,
It's written in stone
Ashura had no talent either.
They had to work hard and come into power.

Sakura already had the power and skill, she just needed to be swayed in the direction.

Naruto talent is unrealistic.
His words of compassion that melts people's hearts of ice
Working hard for something doesn't mean you don't have any talent. Kakashi even called Lee a talented genius despite not being able to use ninjutsu and genjutsu.
 

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Correct. Hopefully in a part 3 she will get more time to shine and some new feats/techs. She is the only one who achieved a high level with her own power....naruto has Miranda and yang given to him. Sasuke was born into a monsterously powerful clan and yin given to him....and kakashi just got ghost powers so.....yes. sakuraa is the true talent
 

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learning kb in one night

learning perfect sm in one week

instantly learning medical jutsu and etc... it's no talent
Sakura could summon Katsuyu instantly
Use remote healing for the first time with ease
Stored chakra for three year while doing other extremely chakra controlling feats.
Naruto pales in comparison.
Working hard for something doesn't mean you don't have any talent. Kakashi even called Lee a talented genius despite not being able to use ninjutsu and genjutsu.
In Naruto's case it was the only thing that came naturally to him is holding powerful,chakra, everything else was hard.
Correct. Hopefully in a part 3 she will get more time to shine and some new feats/techs. She is the only one who achieved a high level with her own power....naruto has Miranda and yang given to him. Sasuke was born into a monsterously powerful clan and yin given to him....and kakashi just got ghost powers so.....yes. sakuraa is the true talent
Yes. People don't realize how gifted Sakura has always been.
 

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They all worked hard in their own ways. I think Kishimoto did an amazing job with character development with all three youngins':

Sasuke did have a powerful family to teach him jutsus like Itachi and Fugaku while they were around. Kakashi pushed him to further his skills even if it was slowly and not for much time. Orochimaru pretty much spoiled him but Sasuke did learn summoning and had free will to do whatever he wanted which apparently made mim stronger because that was the best way for our spoiled little Uchiha to learn since he's the type that has to burn himself even though you warn him that fire is hot. Everything didn't come easy for him though he had to try and try from his first fireball jutsu to the raikiri to amataratsu.

Naruto controlling Kuramas power and using it effectively instead of just going berserk every time he got angry was something we saw him work through. In so many chapters/episodes he would burn himself and lose consciousness when he couldn't control it and now look at him, our clumsy ninja is ninja Jesus lol. Jiraiya had to help cultivate patience in him and his death made Naruto think a bit more then before imo.

Sakura had book smarts and natural skill but no direction to use it. Someone to take the time to teach discipline and emotional endurance is what she lacked at first (sorry Kakashi). She learned all that and physical strength to apply it training under Tsunade. Teaching Sakura things like the yin seal helped keep her focused I bet, and getting bullied around during training built her thick skin metaphorically and physically.

Phew sorry if anything is spelled wrong btw :O
 

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They all worked hard, but compared to Sakura, they have nothing. Naruto, lets be serious...most of Naruto's strength progression came from outside sources such as Kurama and now Hagoromo. Sasuke has an inherited power, and most of his progression in strength came from his heritage. Sakura is the only one who truly worked hard for her power, and her current power is from her sweat. When it comes to actual talent and hard-work, she outclasses all 3: Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke.
Hmm "Sage Mode"
 

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lol. naruto could summon toads instantly too


she trained for this unlike naruto

naruto shown superior chakra control feats in different areas.
He could not, Jirayah had to force it out.

Sakura's never remain remote healing, you need to seal to do so. You know you're wrong. Lol

Naruto have no , Sakura is the embodiment of chakra control
 

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Did Kishi get it wrong?
For talent, wouldn't it be Sakura instead of Sasuke?

Even though Sasukes eyes is like a cheat code of some sort, he really did have to work hard for his sharrigan and other skills.
Like his shuriken jutsu, fireball,marchers skill. Etc.
And it wasn't until he got his sharrigan that he didn't have to work for anything, he just magically could perform things.
Is that really talent, it isn't hard work anymore, but I wouldn't call that talent either, it's more of a way of hack.in a sense.
If you think about it most of his hype is from the name Uchiha and not from his own character,

While Sakura, this character who is said to have no special ability, but that isn't the case.
Sakura was shown to be good at everything she did, and she never struggled at anything ( training wise)
That would be considered hard work for the normal person, but Sakura isn't normal. Kishi pretty much forces flaws on her to make her more mortal.
But other than that she has show more talent that Sasuke.
Natural at chakra control,( Sasuke had to work for it)
Natural at genjutsu dispelling, analyzing opponents and working out battle plans. ( seen in the chunnin exam arc)
Master medical ninjutsu with ease, and replicated jutsu that no one else could ( Tsunade jutsu)
Effortlessly store chakra in her forehead for three years.


Naruto Hardwork.
We seen struggle from him, and him actually battling his inner demons to overcome things,
So he is hard work , no problem.

So was Kishi wrong about Sasuke being the talent?

Even with Neji, he was talented because he learned things himself, and because he was compared to Hinata.
Sakura didn't get the yin-seal on her own, Kurama's chakra sped up the process, it would have taken much longer if Naruto didn't give her Kurama's chakra along with the alliance, proof of this is Kakashi saying that Kamui capacity/frequency/efficiency was trippled since Naruto gave him the cloak, if it can triple the effect of a hax jutsu like Kamui than what will it do to yin-seal/byakugo? Also Sakura claimed she had finally gathered enough chakra to activate the seal, but that was after she had gotten kyubi cloak earlier. The same goes for Sasuke and his legged Susano'o/Ps, it is no coincidence that both these jutsu were first activated after each recepient got Kurama chakra, and it is no coincidence that Kishi had Kakashi claim that Kamui was trippled thanks to Kyubi cloak. So no, that part about Byakugo being mastered easily in three years is not true. One other thing, the chakra control thing had nothing to do with Sakura having better chakra control, Kakashi even explained this, the reason he gave was that Sakura had far less chakra than Sasuke and Naruto at the time and therefore had an easier time controlling it, this is manga fact, Kakashi said it, he even went on to say it was hardest for Naruto because he had four times the capacity of chakra Kakashi had at the time. Also, Sakura is not smarter than either of Naruto or Sasuke, she's just a book worm who studied medicine. Being a doctor doesn't mean you're smarter tha say, a lawyer, a secret intelligence agent, or an accountant, it just means you chose medicine and he chose law/accounting etc etc. I won't say Sasuke and Naruto are smarter than here either, but in terms of battle intellect and insight, they are a few tiers above her no contest. One thing I should ask you, if I never attend classes and barely study for school due to whatever circumstance, but you spend most of your time studying and attending school, does that mean you have a higher IQ then I when you get better results? My point here is, Sasuke spent most of his time training, Naruto was either pulling pranks somewhere or training, Shikamaru was lazing around and sleeping, even in class, so Sakura got the best results in terms of bookwork and knowledge because lets face it she clearly wasn't training much given how pathetic she WAS. So does that make her smarter than Shikamaru, Naruto, or Sasuke?
 

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Sakura has Talent and Hard work, Naruto has Talent and Hard work, and Sasuke has Talent and Hard word; the difference is all in their own ways. Naruto is talented in the fact that he learned Kage Bunshin in one night, Rasengan in like a month, added element to Rasengan, and mastered SM, he worked hard at all of these. Sakura is talented in Iryo Ninjutsu and Chakra control, both of which she worked hard at. Sasuke worked hard to try and beat Itachi, and also has talent.
 

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lol wut ? reread chapter where naruto summoning toads against zetsu



say it when sakura able to control different types of chakra
In the poison extract jutsu, she controlled different chakras.
Sakura didn't get the yin-seal on her own, Kurama's chakra sped up the process, it would have taken much longer if Naruto didn't give her Kurama's chakra along with the alliance, proof of this is Kakashi saying that Kamui capacity/frequency/efficiency was trippled since Naruto gave him the cloak, if it can triple the effect of a hax jutsu like Kamui than what will it do to yin-seal/byakugo? Also Sakura claimed she had finally gathered enough chakra to activate the seal, but that was after she had gotten kyubi cloak earlier. The same goes for Sasuke and his legged Susano'o/Ps, it is no coincidence that both these jutsu were first activated after each recepient got Kurama chakra, and it is no coincidence that Kishi had Kakashi claim that Kamui was trippled thanks to Kyubi cloak. So no, that part about Byakugo being mastered easily in three years is not true. One other thing, the chakra control thing had nothing to do with Sakura having better chakra control, Kakashi even explained this, the reason he gave was that Sakura had far less chakra than Sasuke and Naruto at the time and therefore had an easier time controlling it, this is manga fact, Kakashi said it, he even went on to say it was hardest for Naruto because he had four times the capacity of chakra Kakashi had at the time. Also, Sakura is not smarter than either of Naruto or Sasuke, she's just a book worm who studied medicine. Being a doctor doesn't mean you're smarter tha say, a lawyer, a secret intelligence agent, or an accountant, it just means you chose medicine and he chose law/accounting etc etc. I won't say Sasuke and Naruto are smarter than here either, but in terms of battle intellect and insight, they are a few tiers above her no contest. One thing I should ask you, if I never attend classes and barely study for school due to whatever circumstance, but you spend most of your time studying and attending school, does that mean you have a higher IQ then I when you get better results? My point here is, Sasuke spent most of his time training, Naruto was either pulling pranks somewhere or training, Shikamaru was lazing around and sleeping, even in class, so Sakura got the best results in terms of bookwork and knowledge because lets face it she clearly wasn't training much given how pathetic she WAS. So does that make her smarter than Shikamaru, Naruto, or Sasuke?
Bullshit, Sakura didn't even use the chakra because her was too concerned about the effects it would have on Naruto, and no cloak was present at the time.
Also, let's say she did, she was on her last day, the seal was 98% complete
Well she did struggle to become strong, at first she couldn't fght as well as Tsunade.
It wasn't really a struggle, Sakura was a natural at medical ninjutsu.
Sakura has Talent and Hard work, Naruto has Talent and Hard work, and Sasuke has Talent and Hard word; the difference is all in their own ways. Naruto is talented in the fact that he learned Kage Bunshin in one night, Rasengan in like a month, added element to Rasengan, and mastered SM, he worked hard at all of these. Sakura is talented in Iryo Ninjutsu and Chakra control, both of which she worked hard at. Sasuke worked hard to try and beat Itachi, and also has talent.
I guess your right, in a way
 

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Did Kishi get it wrong?
For talent, wouldn't it be Sakura instead of Sasuke?

Even though Sasukes eyes is like a cheat code of some sort, he really did have to work hard for his sharrigan and other skills.
Like his shuriken jutsu, fireball,marchers skill. Etc.
And it wasn't until he got his sharrigan that he didn't have to work for anything, he just magically could perform things.
Is that really talent, it isn't hard work anymore, but I wouldn't call that talent either, it's more of a way of hack.in a sense.
If you think about it most of his hype is from the name Uchiha and not from his own character,

While Sakura, this character who is said to have no special ability, but that isn't the case.
Sakura was shown to be good at everything she did, and she never struggled at anything ( training wise)
That would be considered hard work for the normal person, but Sakura isn't normal. Kishi pretty much forces flaws on her to make her more mortal.
But other than that she has show more talent that Sasuke.
Natural at chakra control,( Sasuke had to work for it)
Natural at genjutsu dispelling, analyzing opponents and working out battle plans. ( seen in the chunnin exam arc)
Master medical ninjutsu with ease, and replicated jutsu that no one else could ( Tsunade jutsu)
Effortlessly store chakra in her forehead for three years.


Naruto Hardwork.
We seen struggle from him, and him actually battling his inner demons to overcome things,
So he is hard work , no problem.

So was Kishi wrong about Sasuke being the talent?

Even with Neji, he was talented because he learned things himself, and because he was compared to Hinata.
I don't think Kishimoto is wrong. Talent does not equal proficiency. Talent must still be trained (otherwise talent is wasted). Suckske was able to learn his techniques earlier and faster, so he trained. It is just that it took more work for Naruto to excel.

Talent versus drive is an old theme and used in lots of stories. (Kenichi is one example in manga where it is a core tenant of the plot.)
 

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Sasuke is the most talented out of the group as he was a natural prodigy. I may not like Sakura, but I won't begrudge her the fact that after Sasuke and Shikamaru, she's the most talanted, and intelligent member out of all K11. Bar Tsunade, she is the top Medic nin. She didn't have any special genes like Sasuke or Naruto, and got here on her own accord.

However disagrees with this and says that Naruto worked hard is simply a moron. People forget that Naruto has always utilized Kurama's power to make mass clones and the power of resilience it provided for Naruto to maintain them and multiply and shorten the learning time. If that is hard work that I would laugh at that guy's petty logic.

Sasuke never needed to do hard work because he was a prodigy since birth and was blessed with a fantastic lineage. Give the credit where it's due.
 

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Interesting assessment.


She certainly didn't train as hard as Naruto who put his life and body on the line multiple times for his training, but she knows how to get her hands dirty. As far as genius, she didn't have any of the handouts or divine lineage that Sasuke carries either, but has done things only geniuses can do. Without the mistakes and lapses he's made as well. So I'll agree on that part.
 
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