[Theory] Connection between Hashirama, White and Black Zetsu : The Shinju

[ROHAN]

So, I am posting this in support of this Theory made by Veritas :

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The Six Realms :-

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The below thread explained how the Narutoverse is divided into Six Realms.

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Black Zetsu literally stated that there were Six Realms and the Interaction of Obito between the world of the living and the dead via Kamui during Chapter 688 pretty much solidifies the above Theory.

For extra information; you may also read this theory :

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If the Narutoverse is divided into Six Realms; then it is logical to believe that Every living thing in the Narutoverse will fit in these Six Realms.

But, there is one group of Living beings that do not fit in any of the Six Realms.

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Exactly; the whole group of living things that do not fit in the Six Realms are the Trees and Plants collectively known as Flora. They have no characteristics which identify them with the Six Realms.

So, if they don't fit in the Six Realms; then where do they originate from ?

All Flora originated from the Shinju; the God Tree. You may say that all plants and trees are duplicates of the Shinju as they are all made in the image of the Shinju.

If the Shinju did create Trees and Plants in it's form; the only way the Shinju could do it is by spreading it's seeds all across the Narutoverse. And these seeds would eventually give rise to Trees and Plants.

Shinju; the God Tree :-

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Hashirama's Wood Release :-

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In the Manga; who is shown being able to manipulate Flora which includes Plants and Trees ?

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The answer is Hashirama. He can manipulate Flora with his "Wood Release".

He also has a Sage Mode Version of Wood Release.

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Natural Energy has been connected with the Shinju.

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If we sum up the above points; we come to one conclusion : "Hashirama's Wood Release originated from the Shinju; the God Tree".

This was explained by Veritas's theory on Hashirama's Wood Release :

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So, the only question that remains is How Hashirama got the Shinju's power.

Possible Answer :-

It's not far-fetched to say that Black Zetsu took one of the Shinju's seeds and implanted it within Hashirama giving him Wood Release.

This actually helped Black Zetsu in the long run because Madara was able to control the Shinju properly during the casting of Infinite Tskyumoni due to Hashirama's Wood Release.

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Madara uses Hashirama's Wood Release to manipulate the Shinju into trapping everyone in Infinite Tskyumoni.

Black Zetsu :-

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Black Zetsu was born from the Juubi; which consisted of Shinju and Kaguya.

Black Zetsu was born from the Juubi :-

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Juubi was both Shinju and Kaguya :-

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As, such it is logical to say that Black Zetsu should have inherited something from Both Kaguya and Shinju.

Inheritance From Kaguya :-

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As far-fetched; it may seem, Black Zetsu's eyes seem very similar to the Byakugan. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Black Zetsu had the Byakugan's power.

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Inheritance from Shinju :-

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Black Zetsu was the Seed of the Shinju and inherited Wood Release from the Shinju and would eventually implant some of his own power into Hashirama giving him Wood Release.

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Black Zetsu is also able to use Wood Release.

Black Zetsu may have been a seed of the Shinju corrupted by Kaguya's will turning him evil (At least literally).

White Zetsus :-

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White Zetsus were born from the Gedo Mazou; the corpse of the Juubi or Shinju/Kaguya.

Gedo Mazou; the Shell of the Juubi :-

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White Zetsus made from Gedo Mazou :-

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Hashirama's Clone DNA acts as a Catalyst in the creation of Whie Zetsus speeding up the process. This reinforces the connection between the Shinju and Hashirama's Wood Release.

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The White Zetsus also inherited Byakugan from Kaguya and the Shinju's Wood Release.

Byakugan :-

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Wood Release :-

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The White Zetsus are incomplete and lesser or Sealed versions of the Shinju. They all have the Shinju's power but at an limited level since the original Shinju was sealed in the form of Gedo Mazou.

When they get the Shinju's power in the form of Bijuu Chakra; They transform into Trees; the Duplicate of the Shinju, because the sealed chakra of the Shinju (From Gedo Mazou) gets unleashed.

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Here the Shinju's power is in the form of Kuruma's Bijuu Chakra.

Danzo :-

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We all know that Danzo implanted Hashirama's DNA within him and thus got access to Wood Release.

When his chakra got strained; he lost control of Hashirama's Wood Release and immediately starts transforming into a tree.

The power was so strong that even Danzo feared that it would consume him.

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It sounds very similar to what the Shinju does; absorbing chakra of people forcibly.

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Perhaps, Kishi was hinting to the Shinju's power back then ?

Conclusion :-

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A) All Trees and Plants originated from the seeds spread by the Shinju all over Narutoverse. As such; they do not fit in any of the Six Realms and are duplicates of the Shinju.

B) Black Zetsu and White Zetsus inherited the Byakugan from Kaguya and Wood Release from the Shinju.

C) Since, White Zetsus were born from the shell of the Shinju (Gedo Mazou); they are incomplete and sealed versions of the Shinju.

D) When, White Zetsus are exposed to Bijuu chakra; the Shinju's power, they transform into trees as the Shinju's power gets unleashed.

E) Hashirama might have gotten Wood Release from Black Zetsu; a seed of the Shinju corrupted by Kaguya's will.

 

[FranklinGTAV]

tell me , why should i give a shit about it again? :|

 

[Dantee]

It would make sense because Hashirama was born incredibly strong. His wood release was more gifted than a sharigan imo.

 

[Unorthodox]

Great find.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

tell me , why should i give a shit about it again? :|

Someone woke up on the bad side of the pillow.

 

[ROHAN]

tell me , why should i give a shit about it again? :|

Depends upon Perspective. U_U

It would make sense because Hashirama was born incredibly strong. His wood release was more gifted than a sharigan imo.

It's importance is very similar to the Rinnegan. Just how Madara's Rinnegan was used over and over again; the same thing happens with Hashirama's Wood Release.

Great find.

Thanks.

 

[FranklinGTAV]

Someone woke up on the bad side of the pillow.

i never wake up on the bad side of the pillow , because my pillow is perfect *hugs my perfect pillow*

 

[HashiraMadara]

Good argument but a little bit stretched

 

[Narusenpou]

Who cares now, I mean, the whole hashi chapter's done all that's left is the future in the series, I don't think the past holds any surprises anymore

 

[TRE MERCER]

This kinda makes sense.

 

[Tsunade123]

i never wake up on the bad side of the pillow , because my pillow is perfect *hugs my perfect pillow*

Weren't u like such a nice person before XD

 

[theacknowledgedone]

This is an awesome theory! + rep =D

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Here again we go with another one of your own interpretation of the series. Again, you are making a twisted interpretation of manga facts and it is ironical because of the following two reasons:

1. When BZ says something in the manga, you say it is not true. For example, he said how Madara unlocked Rinnegan and how he changed the tablet, but you said it was rather Izuna along with Sobobjo theory.

2. When you need a theory, you make up another fanfiction in which the BZ you said was a liar because someone who does the core of your new theory. For example, in this thread, you are making BZ give hashirama a seed of Shinju, when in the manga there have been no mention of such seed.​

Now, on your facts:

(a) Wood jutsu is a jutsu, and it does not mean that hashirama's body is made of wood. See, it simply mean that by using his two chakra nature (earth and water), hashirama can produce wood just as by manipulating their chakra, Sasuke and kakashi can produce lightning. This does not mean that Kakashi and Sasuke have received some storm gene in their body. The reason hashirama is the only one who had wood is because he is Ashura's reincarnation and therefore he has a huge amount of life force. This leads us to the next point.

(b) The reason zetsus turn into plants is that they are made of wood material cultivated from hashirama's cells. It was even said in the manga that they are plants. Thus, Naruto in KM having a tremendous life energy flowing from him can make these plant grow into trees. This was even shown with the Mokuton made by Yamato. So, it is not because of Shinju that Hashirama get Wood Jutsus. The key factor here is life force and humans have it and some have it abundantly.

 

[ROHAN]

Who cares now, I mean, the whole hashi chapter's done all that's left is the future in the series, I don't think the past holds any surprises anymore

Considering that Hagoromo appeared before Hashirama and the Edo Hokages; I don't think thie chapter of Hashirama is closed and done.

Good argument but a little bit stretched

This kinda makes sense.

Thanks.

 

[BlacLord™]

That Veritas thread is derpy.

1) He states what the elements can and cannot do like it's fact, that's just conjecture. It's already been stated that the user's chakra is directly converted into a

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^ That's the basis of his whole thread ruined, all other points fall apart because it can't work without the basis.

 

[ROHAN]

Here again we go with another one of your own interpretation of the series. Again, you are making a twisted interpretation of manga facts and it is ironical because of the following two reasons:

1. When BZ says something in the manga, you say it is not true. For example, he said how Madara unlocked Rinnegan and how he changed the tablet, but you said it was rather Izuna along with Sobobjo theory.

Why are you even bringing in the Sobojo Theory here ? o_o Both Theories are completely different and work separately. If you want to discuss it; I suggest that you make a new thread. It's because I just don't want to go Off-topic and explain it here.

2. When you need a theory, you make up another fanfiction in which the BZ you said was a liar because someone who does the core of your new theory. For example, in this thread, you are making BZ give hashirama a seed of Shinju, when in the manga there have been no mention of such seed.

Just because Kishi has not shown it in the manga; doesn't mean it's not a possibility. This is a Theory after all. It may come true; It may not come true.

Now, on your facts:

(a) Wood jutsu is a jutsu, and it does not mean that hashirama's body is made of wood. See, it simply mean that by using his two chakra nature (earth and water), hashirama can produce wood just as by manipulating their chakra, Sasuke and kakashi can produce lightning. This does not mean that Kakashi and Sasuke have received some storm gene in their body. The reason hashirama is the only one who had wood is because he is Ashura's reincarnation and therefore he has a huge amount of life force. This leads us to the next point.

(b) The reason zetsus turn into plants is that they are made of wood material cultivated from hashirama's cells. It was even said in the manga that they are plants. Thus, Naruto in KM having a tremendous life energy flowing from him can make these plant grow into trees. This was even shown with the Mokuton made by Yamato. So, it is not because of Shinju that Hashirama get Wood Jutsus. The key factor here is life force and humans have it and some have it abundantly.

From what I understand by your post; you are saying that anybody who can mix Water and Earth can use Wood Release. But, If you do combine the two natures you only get Mud which can be manipulated; not Wood Release.

In the end there are two points :-

A) Hashirama is the only person able to use Wood Release shown in the manga.

B) Everybody else who used Wood Release after Hashirama; used Hashirama's DNA (Yamato, Obito, Madara, Danzo, etc).

My question is why ? If Hashirama was not the only person to use Wood Release; then why the obsession with Hashirama's DNA ?

Even if you still say; there are multiple Wood Release users; it's pretty suspicious that Kishi would focus so much on Hashirama's DNA. I mean they (Yamato, Obito, Madara, Danzo, etc) could have never used Hashirama DNA in the first place or gotten DNA from another Wood user.

 

[kuro zetsu sama]

tell me , why should i give a shit about it again? :|

Opinions are like fetishes,everyone has one but yours is wrong and you should be ashamed.

 

[ROHAN]

Opinions are like fetishes,everyone has one but yours is wrong and you should be ashamed.

Actually, he was joking. Lol I would say that we leave it at that.

 

[Sentinel]

From what I understand by your post; you are saying that anybody who can mix Water and Earth can use Wood Release. But, If you do combine the two natures you only get Mud which can be manipulated; not Wood Release.

In the end there are two points :-

A) Hashirama is the only person able to use Wood Release shown in the manga.

B) Everybody else who used Wood Release after Hashirama; used Hashirama's DNA (Yamato, Obito, Madara, Danzo, etc).

My question is why ? If Hashirama was not the only person to use Wood Release; then why the obsession with Hashirama's DNA ?

I'm guessing that wood release requires more then just combining water and earth release. and you speak of mud, but I can't remember a time in the manga that mud was used as a combination of earth and water release.

wood, or tree's are living things, so I guess that using wood release you also have to be able to infuse life into the chakra. and as hashirama's dna appeared to have a huge lifeforce I guess that makes him uniquely suited to use wood release.
also I saw similarity's with the SO6P's creation of all things, this requires yang chakra to breathe life into whatever was created with yin chakra.
and the half of kurama that was initialy sealed within naruto was the yang part, when it was active the wood reacted to it.

so possibly for creating wood release you need, water, earth and yang release, OR water, earth and huge vitality (wich is the basis of yang release together with phisical energy).

hashirama's dna certainly has this vitality, since a part of it that was bitten of from him was used to create the huge tree and 100.000 white zetsu's, and it even created a near complete image of the first on that tree. also when danzo was weakend he could not hold it back anymore. I guess that is why it was very desired.

 

[ROHAN]

I'm guessing that wood release requires more then just combining water and earth release. and you speak of mud, but I can't remember a time in the manga that mud was used as a combination of earth and water release.

I think it was shown in the anime. But if by just combining Water and Earth; you can create wood; then everybody should be able to use it. Even if you take the Life Force argument; why weren't the Senjus and Uzumakis not able to use it ?

hashirama's dna certainly has this vitality, since a part of it that was bitten of from him was used to create the huge tree and 100.000 white zetsu's, and it even created a near complete image of the first on that tree. also when danzo was weakend he could not hold it back anymore. I guess that is why it was very desired.

And that's what is weird. Why does Hashirama have so much life force ? I would say there is a connection to the Shinju here as the Shinju has tremondous amounts of Lifeforce.