There is no one better than Kakashi when it comes to strategy

[Lana Del Taka]

Karin figured out Danzo's Izanagi

 

[xxSAGExx]

Kakashi's strategy in this chapter was really awesome to say the least

1- Sasuke, Naruto and his clone move halfway:

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2- Kakashi makes the first opener with his Susanoo following up with a surprised kamui-Raikiri to hurt Kaguya and leave her open for a following move:

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3- Naruto's clones cover original Sasuke behind when the original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) follows up an offensive attack on Kaguya with one of the remaining clones

4- If Kaguya attacks Naruto's clone he is safe. If Kaguya attacks original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) however, he closes the portal with Kamui(predicting even Black Zetsu's intervention)

5- After closing the portal, Sasuke uses his S/T jutsu to switch with the damaged clone and continue the combo attack with the original Naruto:

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6- Sasuke then fakes an Amaterasu release, not allowing Kaguya to switch in the ice dimension:

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7- In case Kaguya is fast enough to jump up regardless, Sakura who he left in the defragmented Susanoo above push her back in her initial position allowing the Naru-Sasu sealing process:

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That was basically the strategy. He read Kaguya and Black Zetsu in a book. There is no denying it anymore. Kakashi is the greatest strategical fighter of this manga and he came up with this strategy in the blink of an eye

Shikaku and Shikamaru both are better than Kakashi in strategies, they're the ones who made the strategies for the whole alliance when they both were put in charge. Itachi shown to be better as well. Jiraiya strategy allowed him to kill 4 Peins with no prior info. Minato's smart is hyped and we see him handle Obito and Kurama with no prior info. Sasuke strategy with Deidara was his greatest strategy feat for me and once of my fave Sasuke fight. Madara strategies are better too, he planned his rival with backups and things went according to plan.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

There are stages to strategy, as stated above. No one can be the best in all of them. Shikaku would not be able to win a duel with a high level ninja as well as Sasuke or Minato would simply through his own one-man strategy. He excels in large group maneuvers, which is why he and Shikamaru are always shown to play shogi, because that is a game of war. Not small groups alone, or just oneself, but rather large groups of troups. And at 4-man cells, Kakashi has the most experience probably of anyone else in the leaf, and most definitely is stronger than anyone else that does. He is his best when he is directing small, balanced teams.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Pure nonsense! Kakashi is clearly not the best strategist or quick thinker, this is proven because his feats only arise when he is around inexperienced kids or dimwits (Naruto, Bee, Gai, Sakura, Sasuke), whenever a top tier strategist is around, he gets outdone easily (Shikaku and Shikamaru during the war, Shikamaru when they went to face Kakuzu, Minato when they faced Rikudou Madara). He only looks good now coz he is smarter/more experienced than team 7, had Minato, Shikamaru, Shikaku,Itachi, Tobirama been there, it would be different, as has been shown on numerous occassions now.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I don't agree.

When Guy was fighting Madara in 8 Gates, Kakashi had no idea what to do. Minato used excellent analysis and strategy and ordered a team of people who he's never even worked with and barely seen their abilities before. Kakashi was even asking minato questions because he was unsure of himself.

Minato may have less feast (but that's only due to less screen time than Kakashi), but his strategical ability and analysis I think surpass Kakashi's.

Chidori - Analysed in seconds (it was Kakashi's jutsu yet he couldn't see his own weakness, which minato figured out instantly).
Kamui - Analysed and countered in mere moments, something that took Kakashi's team many chapters to do against Tobi.
Truth seeking balls - Analysed and countered with well thought out strategy, by utilising a team of people mminato doesn't know. (Kakashi was asking questions and was unsure what to do).

 

[garas56]

Shikaku and Shikamaru both are better than Kakashi in strategies, they're the ones who made the strategies for the whole alliance when they both were put in charge. Itachi shown to be better as well. Jiraiya strategy allowed him to kill 4 Peins with no prior info. Minato's smart is hyped and we see him handle Obito and Kurama with no prior info. Sasuke strategy with Deidara was his greatest strategy feat for me and once of my fave Sasuke fight. Madara strategies are better too, he planned his rival with backups and things went according to plan.

So Shikamaru and Shikaku Failed Hard at that point( where Aliance Now) and Kakashi culd make plan to seal Kaguya(Wich is much Stronger than Madara)ItachI Is not smarter than Kakashi Manga showed much more Kakashi Inteligence than Itachi(Itachi just have Ms with alot toys wich maked him luck so)Jiraya is smart but cmon not as smart as Kakashi Or Itachi,Shikamaru... in fights.Madara(Was foderized),Minato(Died) and Sasuke(Was used By Obito) dosent reach lvl of Smart as Kakashi,Itachi and Shikamaru or Shikaku .It was told by many othat hes the one of smartest ninjas(Itachi,Nagato,Naruto,Madara,Sakura,Sasuke,Obito,Diedara,Kisame,Guy,Kakuza,Minato and many others....)

 

[SuperChief]

Kakashi's greatest strategic feats have come after a period of observation. How long were they fighting Obito before he finally figured out Kamui? Minato figured out how to beat it in between protecting Konoha, saving Kushina and securing Naruto. How long had Naruto and Sasuke been fighting Kaguya before his latest strategy? Naruto used multiple layers of misdirection to punk Kaguya within minutes.

Naruto has better feats than Kakashi and his have come with either less or no prep time at all and against almost every opponent he has faced. Zabuza, Kiba, Neji, Gaara, Kakuzu, Nagato, etc. All of them were overwhelmed by off the cuff tactics.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Because out of all the past strategic people he is still alive oro and kabuto are in dream world and itachi is dead

Mianto is not around at the moment
Shikaku got blown up so yea that's why he is number 1

 

[pateuvasiliu]

1. Madara
2. Itachi or kakashi can fight for this spot
3. Whoever didn't win spot #2
4. Sasuke(His battle with deidara and Danzo already proven how nasty he is and can be if he stop spamming susanoo)

No.

If anything, maybe Minato and Kakashi can.

Minato's pulled off some nice stunts with Tobirama and their FTG exchange, but Itachi isn't near them.

The only tactics feat Itachi has is destroying CT which was pretty obvious that attracts things.

 

[Black Wolf]

I don't agree.

When Guy was fighting Madara in 8 Gates, Kakashi had no idea what to do. Minato used excellent analysis and strategy and ordered a team of people who he's never even worked with and barely seen their abilities before. Kakashi was even asking minato questions because he was unsure of himself.

Minato had contributed in the battle against Juubito and had more experience fighting the black orbs than Kakashi did, who only saw it for the first time when Madara used it; he was in the Kamui dimension for the entire duration of the Juubito battle. It shouldn't be used to Kakashi's detriment simply due to the fact that Minato had more exposure to truth seeking orbs than Kakashi did.

Chidori - Analysed in seconds (it was Kakashi's jutsu yet he couldn't see his own weakness, which minato figured out instantly).

Kakashi was twelve or thirteen. If we're going to compare 20+ year old Minato to 12 year old Kakashi, yeah Minato was smarter. And as far as we know, that may have been the first time Kakashi used the technique in battle.

Kamui - Analysed and countered in mere moments, something that took Kakashi's team many chapters to do against Tobi.

What Minato did was no different than what Danzo's body-guards did. All he did was decipher that he had to hit first, and luckily for him, he happened to have FTG. What Kakashi did was break down the technique's entire mechanics; an entire chapter was dedicated to just explaining it. Nothing of that sort was shown with Minato; he just said "better hit him faster than he hits me," which is 100% fine, but isn't the same as understanding the technique on the level Kakashi did.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato had contributed in the battle against Juubito and had more experience fighting the black orbs than Kakashi did, who only saw it for the first time when Madara used it; he was in the Kamui dimension for the entire duration of the Juubito battle. It shouldn't be used to Kakashi's detriment simply due to the fact that Minato had more exposure to truth seeking orbs than Kakashi did.

Kakashi watched some of the battle between Juubito, Naruto and Sasuke through Obitos eyes remember.

Also minato determined the max distance of the truth seeking balls at the time when Madara fired them at guy (and Lee saved him). Kakashi was there when minato figured that out. Kakashi saw the truth seeking balls enough times, he even faced against it when he and Obito teamed up, before guy saved him (from getting hit by it). So that's no excuse.

Kakashi was twelve or thirteen. If we're going to compare 20+ year old Minato to 12 year old Kakashi, yeah Minato was smarter. And as far as we know, that may have been the first time Kakashi used the technique in battle.

Ah, the classic age excuse that people so love to use. Even though age was shown to mean absolutely nothing a long time ago. Kakashi was a Jonin level ninja, so his age means nothing. Being a Jonin, means Kakashi was allowed to lead teams of his own, despite his age. Itachi was also Anbu captain at around 13, obviously you must be smart and experienced enough in order to receive such rankings. I'm not comparing how smart minato was to Kakashi, of course minato was most likely smarter. My point is that it was Kakashi's jutsu, he obviously practiced with it several times, so he should've figured out all the strengths and weaknesses of his own jutsu. Even after using it against that rock Jonin, he still didn't realise its own weakness despite him getting sliced up by that rock Jonin. It may have been Kakashi's first time using it in battle, however it was miantos first time ever seeing the jutsu. So again, no excuse.

What Minato did was no different than what Danzo's body-guards did. All he did was decipher that he had to hit first, and luckily for him, he happened to have FTG. What Kakashi did was break down the technique's entire mechanics; an entire chapter was dedicated to just explaining it. Nothing of that sort was shown with Minato; he just said "better hit him faster than he hits me," which is 100% fine, but isn't the same as understanding the technique on the level Kakashi did.

Minatos battle lasted 2 chapters, and he was in a hurry. Kakashi took lord knows how many chapters to figure out the jutsu? And even then, Kakashi still needed the help of 3 other people for his plan to even work. And let's not forget that the war arc wasn't the first time Kakashi saw the jutsu, he'd seen it in the Sasuke retrieval arc and in the team 7 reunion. You say minato fortunately had FTG to counter, but what about Kakashi who actually had the same eyes and same jutsu? You want to down rate Minatos feat by comparing it to Kakashi's, yet fail to understand the different situations. Minatos only goal was to quickly defeat the masked man, and then get back to his family and village. Kakashi's lightning kunai luckily scratched Obitos mask in the kamui dimension and that's what lead to Kakashi's theory. Give minato the same eye/kamui and he would've done the exact thing.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Kakashi's strategy in this chapter was really awesome to say the least

1- Sasuke, Naruto and his clone move halfway:

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2- Kakashi makes the first opener with his Susanoo following up with a surprised kamui-Raikiri to hurt Kaguya and leave her open for a following move:

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3- Naruto's clones cover original Sasuke behind when the original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) follows up an offensive attack on Kaguya with one of the remaining clones

4- If Kaguya attacks Naruto's clone he is safe. If Kaguya attacks original Naruto(disguised in Sasuke) however, he closes the portal with Kamui(predicting even Black Zetsu's intervention)

5- After closing the portal, Sasuke uses his S/T jutsu to switch with the damaged clone and continue the combo attack with the original Naruto:

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6- Sasuke then fakes an Amaterasu release, not allowing Kaguya to switch in the ice dimension:

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7- In case Kaguya is fast enough to jump up regardless, Sakura who he left in the defragmented Susanoo above push her back in her initial position allowing the Naru-Sasu sealing process:

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That was basically the strategy. He read Kaguya and Black Zetsu in a book. There is no denying it anymore. Kakashi is the greatest strategical fighter of this manga and he came up with this strategy in the blink of an eye

But of how great you are looking at this kind of strategy

There is still many plot hole to be discuss

But here I'm not talking/down play Kakashi but Kishi instead

He making many plot hole fighting scene that I can easily discover and take his pencil and draw mine

many technique from all characters he not utilize well especially Kaguya

much of his panel want to glorified team 7

why is that?

 

[Tennis Robot]

Shikamaru and Shikaku are both superior to Kakashi in this area.

 

[Ansatsuken]

And the other one for sure, is having a HAX technique able to make a characters become good at making strategy than the person that don't have HAX technique

How so?

That mean I'm also wanting a HAX power to became a good/great strategist

Poor for someone that don,t have HAX technique

But in one time Kakashi also don't have HAX technique

And what he have done? standing in one place and become a spectator

I don't down playing him here

But if something that very clear in front of our eyes that showing how different some character can be before and after certain situation

That's telling everything about them true potential.

Think about it

 

[King Of Pop]

kakashi is good but hes not the best.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Minato had contributed in the battle against Juubito and had more experience fighting the black orbs than Kakashi did, who only saw it for the first time when Madara used it; he was in the Kamui dimension for the entire duration of the Juubito battle. It shouldn't be used to Kakashi's detriment simply due to the fact that Minato had more exposure to truth seeking orbs than Kakashi did.



Kakashi was twelve or thirteen. If we're going to compare 20 year old Minato to 12 year old Kakashi, yeah Minato was smarter. And as far as we know, that may have been the first time Kakashi used the technique in battle.



What Minato did was no different than what Danzo's body-guards did. All he did was decipher that he had to hit first, and luckily for him, he happened to have FTG. What Kakashi did was break down the technique's entire mechanics; an entire chapter was dedicated to just explaining it. Nothing of that sort was shown with Minato; he just said "better hit him faster than he hits me," which is 100% fine, but isn't the same as understanding the technique on the level Kakashi did.

Kinda hypocrital of you then to use that example. Kakashi also had tons more experience against Kamui than Minato did. He faced Tobi in the Sasuke retreaval arc, faced him again when Tobi went to confront Naruto, faced him a third time when Tobi came to get Sasuke, and a fourth time during the battle. All those times Kakashi was not alone and had the benfit of watching and observing the technique from a distance when it was used against someone else, not to mention he needed that fluke kunai hit to realise something that I'm pretty sure Minato would have figured out A LONG time ago had he faced Tobi even just twice. Anyway, Kakashi shares the same technique Obito, figuring out that the other person is using the same technique is you is not much of a feat, it only seemed great because he was fighting with a bunch of dimwits (Bee, Gai, and Naruto, oh geez as if it could get any dumber).

 

[Black Wolf]

Kakashi watched some of the battle between Juubito, Naruto and Sasuke through Obitos eyes remember.

No, the only thing we know he saw was the Kyuubi Susano'o combo.

Ah, the classic age excuse that people so love to use. Even though age was shown to mean absolutely nothing a long time ago. Kakashi was a Jonin level ninja, so his age means nothing.

Age means nothing? So current Kakashi is equal intelligence to his 12 year old self?

Being a Jonin, means Kakashi was allowed to lead teams of his own, despite his age. Itachi was also Anbu captain at around 13, obviously you must be smart and experienced enough in order to receive such rankings. I'm not comparing how smart minato was to Kakashi, of course minato was most likely smarter. My point is that it was Kakashi's jutsu, he obviously practiced with it several times, so he should've figured out all the strengths and weaknesses of his own jutsu. Even after using it against that rock Jonin, he still didn't realise its own weakness despite him getting sliced up by that rock Jonin. It may have been Kakashi's first time using it in battle, however it was miantos first time ever seeing the jutsu. So again, no excuse.

Being smart =/= being smarter than Minato. For a 12 year old, and maybe compared to other Jonin, 12 year old Kakashi was smart. Minato was a notch above the average Jonin, and using this version of Kakashi to Kakashi's detriment by comparing him to Minato is stupid.

This is like saying because current Kakashi and 12 year old Kakashi are Jonin, they have equal strength, speed, and jutsu when that obviously isn't the case. Pretending that 18 years of battle experience has no bearing on someone's intelligence is ridiculous. That was Kakashi's first time leading a team.

Again, its fine to give Minato credit for realizing Chidori's weakness; in fact, it is completely legitimate. What isn't legitimate is citing it as a detriment to current Kakashi. What you are basically saying is because Minato was smarter than 12 year old Kakashi, he is smarter than current Kakashi which makes no sense.

Minatos battle lasted 2 chapters, and he was in a hurry. Kakashi took lord knows how many chapters to figure out the jutsu? And even then, Kakashi still needed the help of 3 other people for his plan to even work.

They only interacted with Obito in chapter 595; before that, they were fighting Bijuu / Gedo Mazo. The reason he needed help was because he did not have a jutsu as fast as FTG in his arsenal.

Obito was in a hurry too, and that was the only reason Minato was able to tag him. Obito's haste was what made it possible to bait him into turning off intangibility. If he just stood there in ghost mode and played around with him like he did against the Chunin in the Itachi pursuit arc, Minato would not have been able to do a thing either.

And let's not forget that the war arc wasn't the first time Kakashi saw the jutsu, he'd seen it in the Sasuke retrieval arc and in the team 7 reunion.

He did not interact with it in either scenario. In Sasuke retrieval arc, he watched a group of Chunin engage him and in the team 7 reunion, absolutely nothing happened; Kakashi activated his Mangekyo, and Obito said it wouldn't work.

You say minato fortunately had FTG to counter, but what about Kakashi who actually had the same eyes and same jutsu? You want to down rate Minatos feat by comparing it to Kakashi's, yet fail to understand the different situations. Minatos only goal was to quickly defeat the masked man, and then get back to his family and village. Kakashi's lightning kunai luckily scratched Obitos mask in the kamui dimension and that's what lead to Kakashi's theory. Give minato the same eye/kamui and he would've done the exact thing.

You misunderstand what I meant by saying he had FTG.

Minato's victory against Obito was purely due to the fact that he happened to have a faster technique in his pocket, not due to some sort of unmatched intellectual feat. Not denying that there wasn't intelligence at play there, but his victory was more determinant on his possession of FTG (a faster technique than Kamui). Figuring out that you have to "strike first" is just about as intuitive as Itachi realizing that they had to nuke Chibaku Tensei core to defeat it; it was the obvious solution that even Danzo's generic body guards came up with.

Minato never broke down the technique on the level that Kakashi did; he simply came to the conclusion that he had to attack faster. And as I said earlier, Obito was rushing too, which was the only reason he was able to bait him into turning off Kamui ghost phasing. If Obito stood there with ghost mode active, Minato would have had the same "WTF" look that Kakashi did when he watched the Chunin interact with him. Obito rushing was to Minato's benefit, not his detriment.

 

[xxSAGExx]

So Shikamaru and Shikaku Failed Hard at that point( where Aliance Now) and Kakashi culd make plan to seal Kaguya(Wich is much Stronger than Madara)ItachI Is not smarter than Kakashi Manga showed much more Kakashi Inteligence than Itachi(Itachi just have Ms with alot toys wich maked him luck so)Jiraya is smart but cmon not as smart as Kakashi Or Itachi,Shikamaru... in fights.Madara(Was foderized),Minato(Died) and Sasuke(Was used By Obito) dosent reach lvl of Smart as Kakashi,Itachi and Shikamaru or Shikaku .It was told by many othat hes the one of smartest ninjas(Itachi,Nagato,Naruto,Madara,Sakura,Sasuke,Obito,Diedara,Kisame,Guy,Kakuza,Minato and many others....)

Stop using bad excuses to try and make Kakashi look good. Saying loo at were the alliance now? That's just dumb, I can say look at Kakashi after fighting Itachi in part 1, yes in the hospital in coma. Shikaku was made the leader of the Alliance and ran everyone of their strategies and used all of their power (of thousands of ninjas while Kakashi did 4....) against the Juubi, Madara, and Obito. Shikamaru took over the reins after his dad died and we know Shikamaru is better than Kakashi, Kakashi even praised his smarts; hell Shikamaru had planned a strategy for team 10 to fight Hidan and Kakuza and easily changed it to add Kakashi in no time

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Madara is smarter than Kaguya and he was nerfed lol everyone knows this; he didn't use Susanoo, Rinnegan jutsus (deva, weapon, absorb ninjutsus, summon), katon jutsus, wood jutsu which he can all use with 1 Rinnegan and when he got both Sasuke and Naruto would be dead. Naruto came up with a plan that almost sealed Kaguya but the differences is Sakura and Kakashi weren't doing anything to help so it was made for only him and Sasuke. Itachi is loads smarter than Itachi, he can use the Sharingan better than Kakashi and uses that analysis of jutsus to formula strategies; he planned out his whole fight with Sasuke before even knowing Sasuke's jutsus or skills and still accomplished what he wanted which Kakashi could no do with someone.

Jiraiya strategy allowed him to fight 3 Peins at once and kill them, he gets surprised attacked then killed another Pein before Dying and Kakashi strategy was going to get him killed by 2 Peins until Choza and Choji saved him. Jiraiya's experiences also puts him un top of Kakashi. Saying Madara was fodderized only show how bad you are, Madara strategy not only ensure he would be revived 2x (against Hashirama and after he was old and died), manipulated Obito into being like him, placing a puppet master seal in Obito while never being overwhelm when something changes. Kakashi was fodderized by Itachi, himself (overused Kamui), Kakuza, Pein, Obito, Madara while Madara was nerf and not even using powers we know he can use.

Sasuke came up with a strategy that beat Deidara while Kakashi strategy revolved around using his Kamui which didn't kill Deidara where as Sasuke actually pushed Deidara into killing himself. Sasuke was using good strategy against Itachi who had more power than him and it would be different if it was MS Sasuke. Sasuke strategy took down Danzo. Kakashi is one of the smartest, this thread said no one was better and there was. Oh missed the Minato one, saying he died is really dumb since he didn't need to die but chose to die to help his son, the village and the world; his strategy took down Obito in their first encounter with no prior knowledge and was alone which is something Kakashi couldn't do with 2 teams when they first met Tobi and couldn't even make a strategy until he accidentally found out his Kamui and Tobi's were connected, took him all this to make a strategy when Minato did it in seconds alone.

 

[Minator93]

Nice thread as always bro, I agree but I think Minato is on par with Kakashi in this department as well

 

[Xēnovia.]

I have to agree Kakashi must of known about that blind spot and placed sakura there for the right moment..if Kaguya manged to evade both Naruto and Sasuke's assault. That Kakashi. Lol.​