Hokage showdown..:-kakashi vs Naruto

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well..you mentioned all what kakshi is capable of but not naruto.
youve forgotten that naruto exchanged chakra punches with kaguya?
have you fgotten that kaguya one shotted sasukes susanno with that chakra punch, and easily pwaned kakashis with a bone.for the past 6 chapters, naruto has been keeping kaguya on her toes.
where did u get it from that he was a combination of sasuke and Obito..because he has no stamina the likes of sasukes
you have fgotten that Naruto knows kakasho most, Naruto is also a bettle fighter when it comes to battle smarts with kakashi being a tactisian.in beginning of part 2, he read kakashi like an open book and used that knowledge against him.even kakashi noted that naruto is smart, hes also knows how he fights.

I kept all that in mind sir, and despite saying how well I thought Kakashi countered Naruto, I still went with high-extreme diff. Shouldn't that tell you something?

Anyways, despite Naruto keeping Kaguya on her toes, he hasn't been able to defeat her until just now and that's with everyone's help. Alone, he couldn't do much to make any real progress with her. Chakra punches aren't an issue when you and your Susano'o can go intangible. Naruto knows Kamui's weakness but Kakashi knows that as well. He won't use it as carelessly as Obito might. I say he does have great stamina since he has Rikudou chakra within him. Naruto is a great fighter himself but please don't use that reference of the beginning of pt 2. That was a Kakashi obsessed with finishing his book Lol But this one isn't :| Meaning Kakashi isn't about to get fooled so easily. But upon getting tricked (which could happen a couple of times), all Kakashi has to do is go intangible and with the battle experience Kakashi has gathered over the years, that's not far-fetched at all.
 

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I wanna see kakashi handling the amount of shadow clones Naruto has to offer.and we should keep in Mind that Naruto clones can do all what the real one can...and they are capoable of lasting far longer than kakashi can stay in a fight.
 

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Kakashi is definitely the better choice for Hokage.

As for a fight, I know people are automatically gonna say Naruto but think about it for a second. We're talking about Kakashi who has been watching Naruto fight this entire time and knows his student pretty damn well, he's seen him pull out a lot of tricks. We also know that Kakashi isn't just PS and Double Kamui, he's damn clever and has an arsenal that can easily catch Naruto off guard at times. With Kamui snipes (one that works faster thanks to having both eyes) and being able to go intangible, plus a Susano'o to stave Naruto off at times, defense is covered. Speed isn't a factor here since Kakashi has been able to stop multiple attacks from Kaguya and react well, he even managed a good hit on her. Naruto has better striking speed than Kaguya but with Susano'o, intangibility, and Kakashi's reflexes lately, that's a small factor. And at any opening, Kamui snipe is GG. Current Kakashi is essentially him, Obito and Sasuke all in one.

So in a fight, I say Kakashi beats Naruto high-extreme high diff. I see Kakashi winning more than I see Naruto winning.

Naruto can easily destroys PS with either his TBR or his enhanced steam strength (kaguya destroyed it with her chakra arm), so PS Isnt a reliable defense in this fight.
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Kamui snipes means nothing to naruto who can sense kakashi's intensions and kakashi's location. Naruto easily can dodge kakashi's kamui before he activates it or spam his army of clones with would make kakashi waste chakra by sniping clone naruto's. Also in order to use kamui kakashi has to focus on a certain area/spot, which he wont be able to do while also trying avoid attacks from his back-side (due to clone spam).
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Intangibility is his only hope, but he only has a limit of 5 mins, whereas naruto has unlimited chakra and could spam FRS, LRS, TBRS, or any other variant of the technique without having to worry about exhaustion. Hell, even a spam of Senjutsu Oodama Rasengans would be enough.
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Naruto far outclasses kakashi even with kakashi's current power-ups
 
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Naruto can easily destroys PS with either his TBR or his enhanced steam strength (kaguya destroyed it with her chakra arm), so PS Isnt a reliable defense in this fight.
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Kamui snipes means nothing to naruto who can sense kakashi's intensions and kakashi's location. Naruto easily can dodge kakashi's kamui before he activates it or spam his army of clones with would make kakashi waste chakra by sniping clone naruto's. Also in order to use kamui kakashi has to focus on a certain area/spot, which he wont be able to do while also trying avoid attacks from his back-side (due to clone spam).
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Intangibility is his only hope, but he only has a limit of 5 mins, whereas naruto has unlimited chakra and could spam FRS, LRS, TBRS, or any other variant of the technique without having to worry about exhaustion. Hell, even a spam of Senjutsu Oodama Rasengans would be enough.
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Naruto far outclasses kakashi even with kakashi's current power-ups

It's the on and off usage of the PS and intangibility that allows Kakashi to keep up with Naruto though. While Naruto possesses the power to destroy PS, Kakashi is well aware of that since he's been watching Naruto fight. That's where intangibility comes into play since Susano'o won't work. Then Kakashi switches back on to land attacks. Also, having both eyes seems to speed up how fast Kamui can be used. It's possible that it also helps the time limit and with Kakashi being able to pop in and out of dimensions himself, he can make his own preparations. We know Kakashi can make his own clones. Who's to say he won't pull out a clone feint like Kakashi has done multiple times already?

I'll admit you guys are making me consider this more but I got places to be so I can't continue this discussion. But Kakashi's vast arsenal and original fighting style isn't being considered here. He has the stamina to keep up now that he has Rikudou chakra. It only takes one opening for Kakashi to win cause Double Kamui was able to get past a TSB so if Kakashi catches Naruto slipping, it's a wrap. Just keep that in mind when thinking of this match up, I feel like people generalize it too much.
 

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It's the on and off usage of the PS and intangibility that allows Kakashi to keep up with Naruto though. While Naruto possesses the power to destroy PS, Kakashi is well aware of that since he's been watching Naruto fight. That's where intangibility comes into play since Susano'o won't work. Then Kakashi switches back on to land attacks. Also, having both eyes seems to speed up how fast Kamui can be used. It's possible that it also helps the time limit and with Kakashi being able to pop in and out of dimensions himself, he can make his own preparations. We know Kakashi can make his own clones. Who's to say he won't pull out a clone feint like Kakashi has done multiple times already?

I'll admit you guys are making me consider this more but I got places to be so I can't continue this discussion. But Kakashi's vast arsenal and original fighting style isn't being considered here. He has the stamina to keep up now that he has Rikudou chakra. It only takes one opening for Kakashi to win cause Double Kamui was able to get past a TSB so if Kakashi catches Naruto slipping, it's a wrap. Just keep that in mind when thinking of this match up, I feel like people generalize it too much.

Even with a shadow clone, naruto would still know the location of both kakashi and his clone and could counter it with his own feint.

But I respect your opinion and your ability to look at it from a different perspective respectively
 

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Naruto shits on that loser
 

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Am acquiring some data, and I need an answer..
who wins between the two hokage candidate?
And who wins in a fight?

Naruto would be the better Hokage since he wants it more while Kakashi doesn't and Naruto have people backing him up. Shikamaru said Naruto isn't that smart like Hashirama and unlike Hashirama who had Tobirama to advise him, Naruto doesn't have a brother so Shikamaru will be there for Naruto. Kakashi himself said he will make sure Naruto doesn't failed because he will be there for him. Naruto us highly acknowledged by the alliance, the 5 Kages, and the Edo Kages so he have everyone who are willing to help him as he helped them. Also the current generation was said to take over things now so having Kakashi take over wouldn't let the current generation take over.

Kakashi, Naruto is still growing physically and mentally and is only 16 years of age. He may be brilliant on the battlefield but how he currently is, hes not ready to run a village. Once he matures more than sure he will make a great hokage, but as of now, Kakashi is more likely to be the 6th over Naruto. With the new movie coming out which looks a couple years forward, Naruto still isn't Hokage so the current is either still Tsunade or currently Kakashi. As of now, Kakashi is the best choice.

Naruto is 17, his bday was during the war :p Also Hiruzen and Gaara both became Hokage young themselves and Naruto will have Shikamaru as an advisor, have Kakashi backing him up (he told Obito this when he and Minato were talking to him), Have Sakura to help him when she already helped Tsunade with errands.

Kakashi is definitely the better choice for Hokage.

As for a fight, I know people are automatically gonna say Naruto but think about it for a second. We're talking about Kakashi who has been watching Naruto fight this entire time and knows his student pretty damn well, he's seen him pull out a lot of tricks. We also know that Kakashi isn't just PS and Double Kamui, he's damn clever and has an arsenal that can easily catch Naruto off guard at times. With Kamui snipes (one that works faster thanks to having both eyes) and being able to go intangible, plus a Susano'o to stave Naruto off at times, defense is covered. Speed isn't a factor here since Kakashi has been able to stop multiple attacks from Kaguya and react well, he even managed a good hit on her. Naruto has better striking speed than Kaguya but with Susano'o, intangibility, and Kakashi's reflexes lately, that's a small factor. And at any opening, Kamui snipe is GG. Current Kakashi is essentially him, Obito and Sasuke all in one.

So in a fight, I say Kakashi beats Naruto high-extreme high diff. I see Kakashi winning more than I see Naruto winning.

It doesn't matter if Kakashi was watching Naruto fight this whole time, Kakashi calls Naruto the number 1 most unpredictable ninja and Naruto shows this in the fight with Kaguya as he does in many of his fights that allowed him to beat people stronger than him in past fights. Naruto is the one more to catch Kakashi off guard, Naruto have his Bijuus also helping him in strategies and we seen Naruto switch place with Yang Kurama so what's stopping Naruto from making 9 clones and having each Bijuu take over a clone which would have Kakashi fighting 10 different fighting styles. Kamui snipe does not work faster with both eyes, Obito was using his Kamui to warp himself and Kakashi used hi to speed up Obito's Kamui so Madara couldn't kill him before he revived Naruto.

Also go back some chapters and you'll see where Kakashi tells Minato that he was going blind in his left eye and that he needed to be very close to use Kamui so he's not Kamui sniping anyone mid range or long range sicne he needed Gaara to take him right up to Madara's shield to use Kamui. Also Kakashi react to fast movements, it's easier to read if they move in a linear movement as Sasuke pointed out when Bee 3 tails was faster than him but he overall needed Karin to sense Bee's movements and Sasuke speed is a bit higher than Kakashi's. Naruto's KM full speed is compared to Minato's FTG which is instant, Naruto speed now should be faster than KM and it's faster than Kaguya could react to and he can react to Kaguya speed as well.

Naruto is also a sensor who evaded Limbo without even knowing about Limbo, Kakashi's doesn't have reflexes to react to Naruto except to go intangible. Oh and since Kakashi's left eye is going blind he will be losing his left eye (Kamui snipe) and PS and will only have Obito's Kamui. But Naruto knows that Kakashi have to be tangible to attack so this is where his clones overwhelm Kakashi with chakra arms oh and lets not forget Naruto's chakra orbs/blades can capture Limbos which are in a different plain so what's stopping that from happening to intangible Kakashi?

Exhaustion isn't a factor here. Kakashi is already fighting exhausting and he's handling himself keeping up with the speed of combat right now. At the beginning of a fight, we're talking two character fresh off the bat, we can't considered them weakened like they are now. Meaning Kakashi with Rikudou chakra in him isn't losing steam soon since just Kyuubi chakra keeps him going on for a while.

As for the clone combo, we know that Naruto's clones usually don't move as fast as the original with no clones could move. Meaning Naruto isn't gonna be blitzing like he did to Kaguya, it'll be at a slower pace so Kakashi should be able to keep up since he's been able to react to Kaguya multiple times. While Naruto asked Sasuke to save Sakura with his S/T, Kakashi was able to get there quick enough to save her. And people say Naruto's speed > Sasuke's S/T but when neither were confident that they help Sakura from Kaguya's attack (which someone noted was fast), Kakashi managed to pull it off, meaning he more than has the reactions to keep up with some clone spammage and even a normal Naruto blitz since he can go intangible.

Yes exhaustion is a factor here, it's a major factor. Kakashi is not exhausted, or was not fighting exhausted. Kakashi was doing nothing at all since after Kakashi used Kamui on Madara's shield, Kakashi have not been using his chakra or fighting so he's been resting until a few chapters ago when he and Obito ran to protect Sasuke and Naruto so Kakashi was well rested before he got Obito's chakra. You do know Naruto have been in intense training before entering the war where he made 12 clones (each with 1/13th the power) and fought on all battlefields and he does feel an amount of each clone exhaustion and his first break was when Sakura was healing him the 2x she healed him and when he was dead. Kakashi did have time to rest in the war, they rested but was on guard at nights, he was in the background when Naruto and others were fighting, he was laying down resting and stitching himself up in Kamui dimension, and he was recovering after he Kamui Madara's shield.

Kakashi who was rested before getting the Sharingans is falling with his eyes closed after using his PS and Kamuis . In a battle you shouldn't close your eyes until you know it's over unless you're that exhausted. Naruto clones can blitz Kakashi pretty easily, You're basing that oof of Tobirama saying clones are a bit slower than the real thing but that doesn't mean they still can't blitz someone who speed is close to Sasuke's speed and we saw how Sasuke speed measure up against A's speed so even is Naruto's clones are slower than him, they will still be faster than Kakashi can react other than Kamui (intangible). Kakashi doesn't have the stamina to last long, he will be using up all of the chakra since Kamui and PS takes a lot of chakra and he is not a Senju or Uchiha lineage so he wouldn't have the large stamina or powerful chakra they have and he's not going to have a lot of Sage chakra which is the leftover of Obito's chakra and we know he was nearly out by the time he died. Kakashi was standing closer to Sakura and that part was only made to showcase Kakashi but his speed and reaction are far below Naruto and Sasuke's.

I kept all that in mind sir, and despite saying how well I thought Kakashi countered Naruto, I still went with high-extreme diff. Shouldn't that tell you something?

Anyways, despite Naruto keeping Kaguya on her toes, he hasn't been able to defeat her until just now and that's with everyone's help. Alone, he couldn't do much to make any real progress with her. Chakra punches aren't an issue when you and your Susano'o can go intangible. Naruto knows Kamui's weakness but Kakashi knows that as well. He won't use it as carelessly as Obito might. I say he does have great stamina since he has Rikudou chakra within him. Naruto is a great fighter himself but please don't use that reference of the beginning of pt 2. That was a Kakashi obsessed with finishing his book Lol But this one isn't :| Meaning Kakashi isn't about to get fooled so easily. But upon getting tricked (which could happen a couple of times), all Kakashi has to do is go intangible and with the battle experience Kakashi has gathered over the years, that's not far-fetched at all.

Well we never seen Naruto serious until he was when he speed blitz her and threw all of those Bijuu RS at her which sent her in an unstable form. Kakashi's Susanoo can't go intangible, that's why his Susanoo cracked while he went Intangible. Trying to make his Susanoo go intangible would burn Kakashi out in 1 go as he fail to do so. Kakashi and Naruto do not know about the 5 min limit so Kakashi could be forced to use it that long and it cancel out and he can die that way. Obito never used it carelessly, he used it better and more efficiently than Kakashi, heck when he got his left eye he was using it better than Kakashi as well even when it was going blind (using it to go to other dimensions).

Kakashi can't use the Sharingan as well as a true Uchiha and Obito only had a little bit of chakra when he died so Kakashi did not have that much chakra of the Sage, you're thinking it's like Sasuke and Naruto's when it's much less. Obito took a small amount from Madara which he have been using to find Sasuke with Sakura and Save Kakashi from Kaguya's bone. Kakashi calls Naruto unpredictable so he can surprise Kakashi pretty well. Kakashi has to be tangible to attack, Naruto can fool him by having him attack a clone then attack him in turn. Naruto has speed, the best Sensory ability, power, endurance, reaction, unpredictability, stamina, physical strength, durability, and 9 Bijuus to aid him with power and smarts. We also haven't even seen Naruto's full power like his avatar mode.
 

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Naruto is better for Hokage in every you can think of.
 

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Kakashi takes it.
He is better for hokage.
If they fight kakashi snipes nardo just as easy as he saved his ass from that bone.
Only die hard nardo fappers will deny.
 

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Kakashi takes it.
He is better for hokage.
If they fight kakashi snipes nardo just as easy as he saved his ass from that bone.
Only die hard nardo fappers will deny.

He couldn't snipe Madara or kaguya, kamui snipe is pure fan fic.
 

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He couldn't snipe Madara or kaguya, kamui snipe is pure fan fic.

Because that would ruin the plot and it wasnt even attempted to say he couldnt U_U. Biased much?

Naruto had no hope of dodging that bone but kakashi sniped it instantly. Face the facts
 

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Kakashi is definitely the better choice for Hokage.

As for a fight, I know people are automatically gonna say Naruto but think about it for a second. We're talking about Kakashi who has been watching Naruto fight this entire time and knows his student pretty damn well, he's seen him pull out a lot of tricks. We also know that Kakashi isn't just PS and Double Kamui, he's damn clever and has an arsenal that can easily catch Naruto off guard at times. With Kamui snipes (one that works faster thanks to having both eyes) and being able to go intangible, plus a Susano'o to stave Naruto off at times, defense is covered. Speed isn't a factor here since Kakashi has been able to stop multiple attacks from Kaguya and react well, he even managed a good hit on her. Naruto has better striking speed than Kaguya but with Susano'o, intangibility, and Kakashi's reflexes lately, that's a small factor. And at any opening, Kamui snipe is GG. Current Kakashi is essentially him, Obito and Sasuke all in one.

So in a fight, I say Kakashi beats Naruto high-extreme high diff. I see Kakashi winning more than I see Naruto winning.

You have a point in Kakashi knowing Naruto's fighting style but even Kakashi knows that Naruto is the most unpredictable fighter in NV. So even if Kakashi knows him well he still won't know what Naruto next move is.
 

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Because that would ruin the plot and it wasnt even attempted to say he couldnt U_U. Biased much?

Naruto had no hope of dodging that bone but kakashi sniped it instantly. Face the facts

Yea..kamui snipe, with that much clone against him..lol...fappers!
 

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Naruto have already surpassed the Hokage, so Kakashi can have it if he wants. However Naruto stomps him hard.
 

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Because that would ruin the plot and it wasnt even attempted to say he couldnt U_U. Biased much?

Naruto had no hope of dodging that bone but kakashi sniped it instantly. Face the facts

Kakashi isn't sniping anyone, he stated that his left eye was going blind and he needed to be very close to use Kamui . Also Kakashi wouldn't be able to track fast moving opponents to focus on to use Kamui as Sasuke couldn't keep up or react to A's speed and Naruto is faster than A and Sasuke is faster and can use the Sharingan much better than Kakashi.

Naruto is the best Sensor who can sense and evade attacks even if he doesn't know what the attack is as he did with Madara's limbo so Kakashi can use Kamui in a spot and Naruto would side step it with his senses . Kakasih doesn't have the stamina to last long as he is closing his eyes as he is falling after using PS and Kamui and he was rested prior since he didn't waste his chakra or fought since he used Kamui on Madara's Shield and only been watching since.
 

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Naruto wins easily, Naruto > your fav.
 
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