[Discussion] Honsetly Usopp Is the Weakest but he is the fourth scariest

[Tomato God]

Fujitora's CoO is a special case. He is blind so his sense of hearing and awareness is probably the best in the series with CoO.

Usopp vs. Sanji will be similar to Usopp vs. Luffy. Usopp will hurt Sanji with his superior range, but Sanji will inevitably deal one blow to Usopp and he's finished.

Usopp did the wrong thing with luffy. He should have started from a further range. Like at Enies lobby type range.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Issho heard it.

And Yes in close proximity Sanji one shots. But Usopp is Fast as hell and from a far enough starting distance. Maybe a mile head start Usopp can hit him with pop green after pop green. It would be like when sanji fought that Fishman of arlongs. He wouldnt really be hurt too bad just beat up. And as soon as he gets a hit in thats it.

Usopp isnt fodder killer. If anything most fodder just die from luffy's haki so everyone Ussop fights is above fodder. He just needs to keep his head and remain in his role. Do the things that only he can do.
Needs more sogeking.

Oh ye xD again my bad. I had it down to him having hax CoO (which i'm sure he still does).

You're not giving Sanji enough credit, a pop green damaging him? The same guy who survives huge depths in water without being damaged? Sanji is a pretty good tank, like I said, all he needs to do is get close which for Sanji the Hedgehog would be quick as f*ck. His reaction time and speed in general is well above Usopps.

What are you talking about? All he's fought since the time skip have been fodder including Durama?

Fujitora's CoO is a special case. He is blind so his sense of hearing and awareness is probably the best in the series with CoO.

Usopp vs. Sanji will be similar to Usopp vs. Luffy. Usopp will hurt Sanji with his superior range, but Sanji will inevitably deal one blow to Usopp and he's finished.

Again, Sanji is a tank. So far the only thing which Usopp has got which might hurt Sanji (probably would) is the wolf shock wave nose thing which if I remember correctly was fairly slow in actually delivering the shock wave to Durama. Sanji would have enough time to either Diable Jambe that sh*t or simply Sky Walk past it.

 

[V h o]

God Usopp is top tier, believe it.

OT: His range is great, but I wish he had more- like stronger attacks or something. (idk)

 

[Tomato God]

Oh ye xD again my bad. I had it down to him having hax CoO (which i'm sure he still does).

You're not giving Sanji enough credit, a pop green damaging him? The same guy who survives huge depths in water without being damaged? Sanji is a pretty good tank, like I said, all he needs to do is get close which for Sanji the Hedgehog would be quick as f*ck. His reaction time and speed in general is well above Usopps.

What are you talking about? All he's fought since the time skip have been fodder including Durama?

Again, Sanji is a tank. So far the only thing which Usopp has got which might hurt Sanji (probably would) is the wolf shock wave nose thing which if I remember correctly was fairly slow in actually delivering the shock wave to Durama. Sanji would have enough time to either Diable Jambe that sh*t or simply Sky Walk past it.

As much as I love sanji in a long range fight Ussop has some pretty lethal pop greens. the one that cut Trebol for example might slice up sanji. And its extremely fast. And at a mile range usopp maybe has a minute.. 2 before sanji storms in and wins. But untill that happens sanji is gettting hit with fire and shurikens and if Usopp plans correctly which he could (he is arguably one of the best stratigist in the strawhat crew) Sanji might get hurt enough to not be able to fight afterwards.


And usopp isnt slow either. If usopp runs he can double his time frame before sanji gets there. 4 minutes of those wolf things that one that shoots crap tons of debris. Plus usopp's cowardly tatics would help if sanji got in close. (Say a beautiful woman is behind you and then Impact Dial to the face)

And usopp took one Gomu gomu bazuka so DJ might not put him out. And more so if he uses the impact dial to pass it right back.

then get curb stomped for breaking sanji's ribs.

Also Durama isnt fodder durama could take some of the members of the Cp9

 

[Dr Strangelove]

As much as I love sanji in a long range fight Ussop has some pretty lethal pop greens. the one that cut Trebol for example might slice up sanji. And its extremely fast. And at a mile range usopp maybe has a minute.. 2 before sanji storms in and wins. But untill that happens sanji is gettting hit with fire and shurikens and if Usopp plans correctly which he could (he is arguably one of the best stratigist in the strawhat crew) Sanji might get hurt enough to not be able to fight afterwards.


And usopp isnt slow either. If usopp runs he can double his time frame before sanji gets there. 4 minutes of those wolf things that one that shoots crap tons of debris. Plus usopp's cowardly tatics would help if sanji got in close. (Say a beautiful woman is behind you and then Impact Dial to the face)

And usopp took one Gomu gomu bazuka so DJ might not put him out. And more so if he uses the impact dial to pass it right back.

then get curb stomped for breaking sanji's ribs.

Also Durama isnt fodder durama could take some of the members of the Cp9

You act as if Usopp is quicker than Sonic. All of that sh*t I wouldn't be surprised if Sanji dodged it. Have you seen how quick Sanji is when using Sky Walk? It's ridiculous, whereas none of Usopps attacks have had the appearance of teleportation, Sanji has.

Sanji is arguably the best strategist in the Straw Hats. Sanji has gotten the crew out of numerous scrapes that take a high intellect.

I'd say Sanjis Diable Jambe would be stronger than that since i'm guessing that was pre skip?

That's arguable but even so, they are now fodder when compared to the 'weak' of the New World.

 

[Tomato God]

You act as if Usopp is quicker than Sonic. All of that sh*t I wouldn't be surprised if Sanji dodged it. Have you seen how quick Sanji is when using Sky Walk? It's ridiculous, whereas none of Usopps attacks have had the appearance of teleportation, Sanji has.

Sanji is arguably the best strategist in the Straw Hats. Sanji has gotten the crew out of numerous scrapes that take a high intellect.

I'd say Sanjis Diable Jambe would be stronger than that since i'm guessing that was pre skip?

That's arguable but even so, they are now fodder when compared to the 'weak' of the New World.

No I am just hoping you would admit that he isnt the turtle you make him out to be. Dodging all of that is a bit excessive. Large portions of it? Sure. Most of it? Probably. Some of it? Of course. But all of it?! You are underestimating usopp's Skill as a sniper. Outside of the range of predicting it. Sanji will get hit cause his CoO is useless.

And while Sanji is brilliant. All of the M3 have huge flaws.
Zoro Gets lost too easy.
Sanji won't hit a woman.
Luffy's brain doesnt work
These flaws are easy to exploit and Usopp knows it. And usopp is not above hidding behind a woman.

and yea You right. Duraha would be fodder by current standards. you right.

 

[Moonbird]

Not to forget... his superior sniping and I can only assume perfect optical vision!
Is just one out of A LOT of abilities he has!

No purely physical he isn't very strong in comparison to the others but... my god.. his enourmus skill set!

In many way he is the Straw Hat artist! he is by far the most creative crew member, not just in drawing skills but in every thing! his way of battling highly reflects this! Hell, I even think his lies/story telling he is able to instantly make up on the spot and tell is a great sign of his creative mind..

He is able to think in very creative ways and is able to immediatly adapt to the situation based on what he just happens to have around him, in an instant coming up with a new unique idea and put it into action.. instantly!

He is insanely good at actually making a battle stragedy and lure his enemies into traps, making them think he is up to something only for that to be the trap and something worse happened.

This is showcased multiple times, most noticeable with Usopp's battle with Luffy, where Usopp was owning that entire battle... until he ran out of traps.
But still, that says some-thing, that first when Usopp ran out of traps where Luffy able to beat him at all.
In the Perona battle Usopp did pretty much the same thing, tricking Perona into doing what he wanted, and then of course in the fishman island battle where he also build up his trap, forcing that fishman up in the air where he could move so Usopp could shoot him!

Usopp is a guy, genuinly able to beat people he shouldn't be able to beat, people much stronger than he is physically... with creativity, adaptability and traps.. he is able to beat people he really shouldn't have been able to beat.

So really, that he is strenght wise the weakest strawhat... doesn't matter a lot.
Because his true strenght doesn't even lie in his physical strenght, it lies in his mind and how he works!

In spite of being weak, Usopp is a scary ass dude, and I would NOT want to face him in battle! he would be sure to set up some kind of trap and get me from behind!

At least with Luffy you do see that fist coming right for you before it's over... With Usopp.. you never know where that finishing move will come from!

 

[Bimbonium]

Just seeing a thread about usopp makes me smile.

OT His slingshots are kinda modified with dials so they have as much power behind them as pistols if not more, and the fact that they are not pistols mean he is not resricted to regular bullets. His potential is immense since he can just pull anything out of his bag.

 

[Moonbird]

Just seeing a thread about usopp makes me smile.

OT His slingshots are kinda modified with dials so they have as much power behind them as pistols if not more, and the fact that they are not pistols mean he is not resricted to regular bullets. His potential is immense since he can just pull anything out of his bag.

Not necesarily his black Kabuto though, the one he uses now.
We know the green ones was this black one though.. Apparently that thing is alive and able to grow spontaniously when he gives it water, then it can swallow up big chunks of rocks or whatever happens to lay around him he can then use as Amo.

I don't believe his black Kabuto has dials inside of it how-ever... yeah.. how many guns can instantly grow into a massive plant thing and fire off gigantic pieces of rubble in what-ever direction Usopp sends it.
That thing works just as well as a canon

 

[Angelic.]

hes gonna get conqueror haki...

 

[U mAd]

No I am just hoping you would admit that he isnt the turtle you make him out to be. Dodging all of that is a bit excessive. Large portions of it? Sure. Most of it? Probably. Some of it? Of course. But all of it?! You are underestimating usopp's Skill as a sniper. Outside of the range of predicting it. Sanji will get hit cause his CoO is useless.

And while Sanji is brilliant. All of the M3 have huge flaws.
Zoro Gets lost too easy.
Sanji won't hit a woman.
Luffy's brain doesnt work
These flaws are easy to exploit and Usopp knows it. And usopp is not above hidding behind a woman.

and yea You right. Duraha would be fodder by current standards. you right.

ussop is underrated but now u are just overrating him.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

No I am just hoping you would admit that he isnt the turtle you make him out to be. Dodging all of that is a bit excessive. Large portions of it? Sure. Most of it? Probably. Some of it? Of course. But all of it?! You are underestimating usopp's Skill as a sniper. Outside of the range of predicting it. Sanji will get hit cause his CoO is useless.

And while Sanji is brilliant. All of the M3 have huge flaws.
Zoro Gets lost too easy.
Sanji won't hit a woman.
Luffy's brain doesnt work
These flaws are easy to exploit and Usopp knows it. And usopp is not above hidding behind a woman.

and yea You right. Duraha would be fodder by current standards. you right.

A turtle? I acknowledge Usopp is quick when it comes to firing things or taking aim but not physical actual speed.
Sanji should dodge all of it, i've provided proof how. Sanji moving has the appearance of teleportation, none of Usopps projectiles have gained that speed, should be easy for Sanji to dodge.

Oh, so now it's Usopp and a random female vs Sanji? Okay, funny how you keep coming up with these scenarios. Usopps major flaw is he is at the bottom end of the 'strong' spectrum.

 

[Tomato God]

A turtle? I acknowledge Usopp is quick when it comes to firing things or taking aim but not physical actual speed.
Sanji should dodge all of it, i've provided proof how. Sanji moving has the appearance of teleportation, none of Usopps projectiles have gained that speed, should be easy for Sanji to dodge.

Oh, so now it's Usopp and a random female vs Sanji? Okay, funny how you keep coming up with these scenarios. Usopps major flaw is he is at the bottom end of the 'strong' spectrum.

Thats not an exploitable flaw. Hiding behind nami is totally a exploitable flaw.
And usopp is faster than chopper when he was sprinting in alabasta.

 

[Moonbird]

A turtle? I acknowledge Usopp is quick when it comes to firing things or taking aim but not physical actual speed.
Sanji should dodge all of it, i've provided proof how. Sanji moving has the appearance of teleportation, none of Usopps projectiles have gained that speed, should be easy for Sanji to dodge.

Oh, so now it's Usopp and a random female vs Sanji? Okay, funny how you keep coming up with these scenarios. Usopps major flaw is he is at the bottom end of the 'strong' spectrum.

Well... Usopp actually did run into this very problem at fishman island.
The fishman genneral he was fighting was in fact to quick for him and could dodge all of his bullets, not only dodge bullets but hide under ground to avoid his long range attacks.

How-ever, Usopp did in fact compensate for that by setting up a trap, forcing the fishman up in the air where Usopp for a breath moment was in control of the enviroment, and thusly land his finishing move.

An fight between Usopp and Sanji would be interesting, Usopp does in fact have very good reflexes and is not a total idiot at dodging attacks.
And he is not afraid of bluffing so well, him pointing behind sanji and yell. "LOOK A TOP LESS WOMAN!" ... is not out of the question here...

I have no idea who would win, but I doubt it will be as short a battle as some thinks, that battle would end up lasting a while.
That's the thing about Usopp, he actually takes on opponents way stronger than he is, and still somehow manages to find and a hole in the other person way of fighting, then adapt and exploid that hole.
No he can't outrun Sanji, there is no way... but you bet he can trick him and exploit his weakness's!

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Thats not an exploitable flaw. Hiding behind nami is totally a exploitable flaw.
And usopp is faster than chopper when he was sprinting in alabasta.

Well...it is. He can exploit how weak he is by one shotting him :|
Oh, so now Nami is here?

...are you saying Chopper is quicker than Sanji....?

 

[Moonbird]

Usopp does win by finding a weakness and exploit it.. it's not always his ammunition in itself is strong enough just...

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[Dr Strangelove]

Well... Usopp actually did run into this very problem at fishman island.
The fishman genneral he was fighting was in fact to quick for him and could dodge all of his bullets, not only dodge bullets but hide under ground to avoid his long range attacks.

How-ever, Usopp did in fact compensate for that by setting up a trap, forcing the fishman up in the air where Usopp for a breath moment was in control of the enviroment, and thusly land his finishing move.

An fight between Usopp and Sanji would be interesting, Usopp does in fact have very good reflexes and is not a total idiot at dodging attacks.
And he is not afraid of bluffing so well, him pointing behind sanji and yell. "LOOK A TOP LESS WOMAN!" ... is not out of the question here...

I have no idea who would win, but I doubt it will be as short a battle as some thinks, that battle would end up lasting a while.
That's the thing about Usopp, he actually takes on opponents way stronger than he is, and still somehow manages to find and a hole in the other person way of fighting, then adapt and exploid that hole.
No he can't outrun Sanji, there is no way... but you bet he can trick him and exploit his weakness's!

Omg...I cannot believe he is being this overrated...
How is Usopp going to stop Sanji from venturing into the heights? He can't. The tunnels dug by Durama could be filled up with gas and such things, Usopp isn't filling the entire air. And even if he did that with gas or whatever Sanji can hold his breath for a super long time.

I seriously cannot believe i'm having this argument with any human being...

Plus it's obvious, to me anyway's, that Usopp was on a whole different level to Durama. Usopp is no fodder, Durama was.

 

[Moonbird]

Omg...I cannot believe he is being this overrated...
How is Usopp going to stop Sanji from venturing into the heights? He can't. The tunnels dug by Durama could be filled up with gas and such things, Usopp isn't filling the entire air. And even if he did that with gas or whatever Sanji can hold his breath for a super long time.

I seriously cannot believe i'm having this argument with any human being...

Plus it's obvious, to me anyway's, that Usopp was on a whole different level to Durama. Usopp is no fodder, Durama was.

You know as well as I do that Usopp would keep shouting. "OMG! NAMI IS TAKING HER CLOTHES OFF!"
And Sanji would continuesly fall for it -_-;

.... using that tactic Sanji is suddenly utterly defenceless actually... man.. that is one serious flaw to have.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

You know as well as I do that Usopp would keep shouting. "OMG! NAMI IS TAKING HER CLOTHES OFF!"
And Sanji would continuesly fall for it -_-;

.... using that tactic Sanji is suddenly utterly defenceless actually... man.. that is one serious flaw to have.

Ye, maybe once, until he uses CoO to realise what Usopps intentions are...
Sanji is probably the best tactician in the Straw Hats and the smartest (not including Robins huge architectural knowledge).

Ye, also one serious flaw to exploit is being able to do f*ck all when a fire kick from arguably the strongest leg we've seen thus far is heading straight to your face...man, that's pretty bad.

 

[Tomato God]

Ye, maybe once, until he uses CoO to realise what Usopps intentions are...
Sanji is probably the best tactician in the Straw Hats and the smartest (not including Robins huge architectural knowledge).

Ye, also one serious flaw to exploit is being able to do f*ck all when a fire kick from arguably the strongest leg we've seen thus far is heading straight to your face...man, that's pretty bad.

NAMI IS WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY SMARTER THAN SANJI. And We already established the rediculous conditions that would be required.
Usopp outside of Sanji's range. and Nami to hide behind.

Ludicrous. But thats what he needs to do.

Also yea. Usopp would die. We established this already.