[Theory] [FEAR] Uchiha Tablet: The Art of Forgery

[Orochimagus]

Well weren't there "good" Uchiha like Shisui,Itachi, and Kagami? As full-fledged Leaf Villagers they could have documented the Uchiha techniques into the library.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Neither do I. The only thing I could think of is that Obito pre-named the technique when he was young. Perhaps a name he would give his Sharingan or a special technique he was developing. That would also explain why although each individual eye possess's a different technique (Technically speaking) they are both named Kamui. When one would expect them to both have different names.


The name itself isnt specific to teleportation or anything like that as Kamui traslates to "Word of God".

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Kamui means 'Authority of the Gods' or 'Power of the Gods'.

Wikia usually uses the definition from the Databook.

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Kamui is the word for a divine being in Ainu mythology, although it is almost never written with kanji in modern times. In a more general Japanese context, Kamui refers to the might and majesty of the gods, particularly the Shintō Kami.

And curiously, every Uchiha Doujutsu we know is related to the Shinto deities...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Personally, I think the Elder Son's eyes are just the sealed version of the Sharingan placed on him by his father in order for him not to read the Tablet and revive Jūbi right away (which would explain why he didn't try to steal the Younger Son's DNA, capture the Bijūs,etc.), successive generations and the curse of hatred weakened the seal giving birth to the Sharingan, leading to one of his descendants awakening te Mangekyo, and eventually the Eternal Mangekyo that allowed him to read the Tablet properly.

 

[valandil988]

Use of MS abilities seems to be more instinctual than mechanical. Kakashi however doesn't have the Uchiha brain or the instincts that go alongside it. So he remains a plot hole. Its the same problem I have seeing any Uchiha use their MS for the first time, how the heck do they know the jutsu names. I decided it must be instinctual much like a child calling out a pretend word or something.

Other than that, great theory, I absolutely agree that Madara and Uchiha before him have altered the stone to show layer upon layer to Sharingan users. The Elder son was likely the first, and his own Doujutsu likely was a match for the EMS in visual prowess even although he did not unlock it in the same manner. Hence he wrote it with the belief that the strongest of his clan would eventually match his original strength and visual prowess and left these statements as a sort of mission to his descendant. The Elder son had likely agreed to give his younger brother "first go" at fixing things, and hence left these statements on the tablet as a safe guard in case the Senju/younger brother's descendants failed.

Madara is likely the first to ever discover EMS, MS however is a bit sketchy in its origin, however the kin-slaying aspect of the unlock to this ability suggests that for the Uchiha clan it would be an act that is VERY undesirable. Remember what Tobirama said they were a clan cursed with stronger emotions. Hence I have my doubts that the MS secret was well known, or known at all. Hence it could be that Madara was indeed the very first MS user.

That others had added to the tablet is likely even before Madara, in a way its more like a journal (as you said) detailing the Uchiha's research into their own ocular powers.

That there is a sealing technique over the entrance to the shrine is a big mystery, original Sasuke couldn't have entered if that was the case, as he likely did not know/have the "jutsu" to open it. So yeah plot hole alert. Not only the fact that the Tablet appears different between Madara's time and the present, this suggests modification.

 

[Dust]

to your point about the stone covering the entrance...Couldn't be a booby-trap. The stone could be on the ceiling of the shrine and set to seal the entrance upon the shrines destruction. Like in every adventure movie created. Something precious is left out in the open and after its disturbed, a large stone seals the entrance.

 

[Almighty Ra]

Great points and theories on this.

 

[Draxus]

Was it every conclusively stated in the manga that the Sage wrote the tablet? I always assumed it was the Elder Son's work.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Was it every conclusively stated in the manga that the Sage wrote the tablet? I always assumed it was the Elder Son's work.

I don't remember the chapter, but the tablet was once called "Rikudou Tablet"

 

[Draxus]

I don't remember the chapter, but the tablet was once called "Rikudou Tablet"

That doesn't sound very conclusive to me. There are a lot of tablets/scrolls written about Julius Ceasar... none of them written by him though.

Also I don't recall it ever being called that outside this forum.

 

[Mr Hiru]

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...I guess that's all. It was written by himself (at least originally).

 

[FearxDeath]

Was it every conclusively stated in the manga that the Sage wrote the tablet? I always assumed it was the Elder Son's work.

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I don't remember the chapter, but the tablet was once called "Rikudou Tablet"

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...I guess that's all. It was written by himself (at least originally).

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[The Sach]

I believe that Multiple Uchiha, ones with access to the Tablet, added things to it. The Tablet is like a Journal highlighting the history of the Uchiha and Key events or knowledge. I believe some other Uchiha's probably added to it with notable ones being the Elder Son and Madara. I evidence for the 2nd point is implied as it seems to convinient to believe that although other Uchiha had access to the stone only the Elder Son (The very First Uchiha) and Madara (One of the last Uchiha) were the only ones to add anything between the hundreds of years between them.

I strongly believe that 'Madara' never updated the Uchiha tablet, but rather elder son did.
About Mangekyo issue, Uchiha clan members who came before Madara did know about it, because they tried to get Mangekyo by killing people close to them.
Notice word 'decades', when Itachi talked to Sasuke,

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But they simply wasn't able to get Mangekyo as the 'bond of love' and hence despair resulting due to it wasn't strong, but it was strong in case of Madara and Izuna. Talking about Sasuke and stone issue, I strongly believe that Kishi didn't show us how Sasuke reached to Uchiha tablet, because he wanted to save it for later, which actually is Kishi's writing style, and that doesn't strongly imply that someone else put Stone there or something, and hence when Sasuke went to read Uchiha tablet again, he activated Sharingan without thinking for awhile.
And now about Elder son, yes I agree with what you said, probably Elder son wanted to present the idea of peace and hence altered Uchiha tablet.:yeah:

 

[valandil988]

I strongly believe that 'Madara' never updated the Uchiha tablet, but rather elder son did.
About Mangekyo issue, Uchiha clan members who came before Madara did know about it, because they tried to get Mangekyo by killing people close to them.
Notice word 'decades', when Itachi talked to Sasuke,

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But they simply wasn't able to get Mangekyo as the 'bond of love' and hence despair resulting due to it wasn't strong, but it was strong in case of Madara and Izuna. Talking about Sasuke and stone issue, I strongly believe that Kishi didn't show us how Sasuke reached to Uchiha tablet, because he wanted to save it for later, which actually is Kishi's writing style, and that doesn't strongly imply that someone else put Stone there or something, and hence when Sasuke went to read Uchiha tablet again, he activated Sharingan without thinking for awhile.
And now about Elder son, yes I agree with what you said, probably Elder son wanted to present the idea of peace and hence altered Uchiha tablet.:yeah:

Itachi does not stipulate WHEN these Uchiha were killing their close ones. It could have been after Madara. Ergo your "evidence" is invalid.

 

[FearxDeath]

Itachi does not stipulate WHEN these Uchiha were killing their close ones. It could have been after Madara. Ergo your "evidence" is invalid.

I was just about to ask what she meant when she said "Notice the words 'decades'." As I dont recall him using that word... Ever. On top of which how could the Elder Son update the Tablet informing everyone how to get the Mangekyo if he himself never had it, since he never had the Sharingan. That makes as much since as the Sage writing instructions on the Mangekyuo when he himself never knew the Mangekyo existed.

 

[ROHAN]

I am bumping this thread to say that the main idea of this theory; that someone changed the text on the tablet did come true. It was Black Zetsu who changed the Tablet's text.

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Looking back and Reading this Theory along with the manga shows how far the story has progressed. I mean; you wouldn't have even imagined that Black Zetsu would change the tablet back then.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

That's a really good question. Who could have known that the Uchiha tablet had been tampered with?

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Would you like to know about the real reason the Kyuubi attack occurred?

 

[ROHAN]

Would you like to know about the real reason the Kyuubi attack occurred?

Please, do say so.

 

[Honord Sage]

Black Zetsu already admitted He change certain passages in the tablets with the hope of one day an Uchiha would get the Rinnegan and free Kaguya. The Uchiha Clan was fool and control by Black Zetsu so that someday Kaguya would be free and it came to pass.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Please, do say so.

What did Tobito fail to even mention to Sasuke when he told him about it. Two things were born that day.

 

[so12p]

Yes, but BZ changed it and played the uchichis like a cheap fiddle. The tablet content that Madara, Itachi, and later suckske read is BZ BS.