[Discussion] Police/cop hate.. over done.. over used.. annoying

[KingHashirama]

Do taser guns not incapacitate a target? Tranqulizer darts? The point of cops having guns is invalid, unless it's to intimidate, in which case Is an already flawed system.

A cops job is to incapacitate not kill. You stop the threat no erase it.

you stop the threat, put it in jail, have normal people taxes to support the threat in jail. And thus you have a perfect system?

Sorry, our police is already a joke in regards to what they are allowed to do. Yes there are douche bags who pick on normal stuff, just like there are people who beating others around for no reason.. it doesn't take much to join the police .. and then start doing dirty things.. Hence why i stated they are nothing more than people like you and me.

And about the tranquilizers darts.. tell that to the people who have been shot to death. Because they were trying to "incapacitate" the threat.

 

[Anorien16]

Do taser guns not incapacitate a target? Tranqulizer darts? The point of cops having guns is invalid, unless it's to intimidate, in which case Is an already flawed system.

A cops job is to incapacitate not kill. You stop the threat no erase it.

Actually a heavy built person on Adrenaline rush can overcome Taser shock which it self has a reload problem at long range and dangerous to use at close combat. And tranq shots can take variable amount of time to take effect, the target may already do damage by then.

Not to mention criminals dont run about with Tranq Guns and Tasers.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Actually a heavy built person on Adrenaline rush can overcome Taser shock which it self has a reload problem at long range and dangerous to use at close combat. And tranq shots can take variable amount of time to take effect, the target may already do damage by then.

Not to mention criminals dont run about with Tranq Guns and Tasers.

No they don't, but as a cop you don't need to match the force of the aggressor, just nullify it. Yes a person can overcome it, but it's pretty difficult, and if a person if much of a threat, more Than one cop is there. If cops were equipped with non lethal objects, such as

Pepper Spray
Taser Gun
Stun Gun
Tranquilizer

They can subdue any threat that the swat isn't already being called to do.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Actually a heavy built person on Adrenaline rush can overcome Taser shock which it self has a reload problem at long range and dangerous to use at close combat. And tranq shots can take variable amount of time to take effect, the target may already do damage by then.

Not to mention criminals dont run about with Tranq Guns and Tasers.

Certain Voltages yes. Some have the power to bring a grown man to their knees.

 

[Anorien16]

Certain Voltages yes. Some have the power to bring a grown man to their knees.

While they can shoot a regular gun at you?

 

[Aim64C]

Well, I don't think that police should be armed with lethal objects.

What is lethal?

A properly trained individual can kill you moments after jumping, naked, out of the shower. So I'm not quite sure how you make someone non-lethal.

I also think that any cop team should be interacial.

Race should play no component in it. Race should play no component in anything. Either you have the skills and the discipline for the job, or you don't.

The moment you begin trying to make things "interracial" to "increase diversity" or some stupid shit along those lines, you destroy every organization that adopts those policies.

There are many ways to prevent the tyranny and brutality that cops give

The police have two basic purposes.

Their first purpose is to enforce the laws.

If you allow your city council to write a law that says you can't walk down the street with an ice-cream cone - then you can't blame the police officer for telling you that it is illegal and asking you to throw it away (and citing you if you refuse). You need to monitor your legislators as they are the ones who ultimately determine what it is the police officers are charged with enforcing.

DUI checkpoints? Again - not a shred of research suggests these are effective at their stated purpose. Get your legislatures to prohibit the practice and define the role of patrol officers as being on patrol (which has been shown to be effective).

The second purpose of police is to act, generally, to interrupt violent and/or destructive behavior in progress even without a specific legal citation. This is where individual officer integrity is required (and why only the individual's ability to perform the job with integrity should be considered). Officers of the law are given the authority to issue orders to citizens that must then be followed.

This is why there are key legal phrases that establish how an officer is dealing with you. There is a difference between what an officer asks you to do and what an officer orders you to do. There are also key things that change when an officer states "you are under arrest" or answers to the affirmative when asked if you are under arrest.

Any officer has the authority to place you under arrest - now, he might lose his job if he places people under arrest without proper justification - but he has been given the authority to make those temporary judgment calls (which is also why such laws exist like Habeas Corpus, Bond, and other restrictions on how long an individual can be detained without charges being filed against them).

This is a necessary authority of the job - which is why it is very important that it be kept in control what they are charged with doing by the Legislative body and also why it is important to ensure the court system is performing its function. It is also why police departments should be observed to ensure they are operating with integrity and according to the needs/desires of the people.

 

[Conspirator.]

It's true there are a lot of corrupt cops out there but seriously what makes you think the situations in which the weapons you mention are effective? Then again people have ended up dead with taser gun alone in a uniformed person's hand.
So are you sure taser gun is safe? Have you ever used a tranquilizer gun? Do you know it's limitation or anything about it?

Maybe cops should petrol with a cross and holy water in hand. Hey! It wards of evil doesn't it?

In my experience - cops can be really useless and corrupt but I cannot in all fairness ask them for help at all and die for the job if I am against them even keeping basic weapons to counter attack criminals. Most of our police is under paid, and have really bad working hours,inadequately equipped while most of the major criminals have more sophisticated weapons and supplies.

[video=youtube;lkfeUKUUz5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lkfeUKUUz5M[/video]


The cop who caught the terrorist alive was empty handed - only reason he was able to catch him was he kept holding him despite getting shot repeatedly by an AK 47.

This maybe among relatively rare case but even minor criminals are often equipped with lethal weapons. We have a long list of police men who ended up dead in the line of duty to endorse taking away what little weapons they have.

Dealing with corruption and providing better training is the key. If you want them to risk their lives for your safety without proper safety for themselves, are you sure you are paying them enough?

@bold
Can I sig the bold? Lol, but I still agree with your post.

OT: People hate on the cops too much. Sure there are corrupt ones, but to generalise every cop as being corrupt is simply wrong, given how they are basically the barrier between dangerous criminals and ordinary members of society. Just to make a point, imagine your country WITHOUT any police at all. It would be far worse than it is right now. I would rather have a police force with 30% of the members corrupt/inept, than no police force at all.

 

[Avani]

No they don't, but as a cop you don't need to match the force of the aggressor, just nullify it. Yes a person can overcome it, but it's pretty difficult, and if a person if much of a threat, more Than one cop is there. If cops were equipped with non lethal objects, such as

Pepper Spray
Taser Gun
Stun Gun
Tranquilizer

They can subdue any threat that the swat isn't already being called to do.

It's true there are a lot of corrupt cops out there but seriously have you given a thought to the situations in which the weapons you mention are effective? Then again people have ended up dead with taser gun alone in a uniformed person's hand. So are you sure taser gun is safe? Have you ever used a tranquilizer gun? Do you know it's limitation or anything about it?

Maybe cops should petrol with a cross and holy water in hand. Hey! It wards of evil doesn't it?

In my experience - cops can be really useless and corrupt but I cannot, in all fairness, ask them for help at all and ask them to risk themselves for the job, if I am against them even keeping basic weapons to counter attack criminals. Most of our police is under paid, and have really bad working hours,inadequately equipped while most of the major criminals have more sophisticated weapons and supplies.

Spoiler

[video=youtube;lkfeUKUUz5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lkfeUKUUz5M[/video]

With the terrorists momentarily distracted, Omble sprang toward one of them, Amir Kasab, and gripped the barrel of the AK47 rifle with both hands. With the barrel pointing towards Omble, Amir pulled the trigger. A spray of bullets entered his stomach and intestine. Omble collapsed, but held on to the gun till he breathed his last, stopping Amir from shooting anyone else.

The cop who caught the terrorist alive was empty handed - only reason he was able to catch him was he kept holding him despite getting shot repeatedly by an AK 47.

This maybe among relatively rare case but even minor criminals are often equipped with lethal weapons. We have a long list of police men who ended up dead in the line of duty to endorse taking away what little weapons they have.

Dealing with corruption and providing better training is the key. If you want them to risk their lives for your safety without proper safety for themselves, are you sure you are paying them enough?

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Cops are humans like everyone else they are not gods they are not above the law they also need some serious counseling since they have a high level of paranoia I have only met 4 cops who are firm in their job but they are not jerks
I once attacked a bully

our school cop threw me off him but that's all he did he did not tase me or constant blows with his baton. Or pull his gun acting like I was a major threat because when I saw it was him who threw me I stopped

I do not trust police if I don't know them personally not all cops are bad but if u think only a few are bad u r naive

And I tire of people who praise them with blind faith


And when hell goes down I want the paramedics not the police what good are the cops for during or after a crisis most crimes happen it's over before the cops arrive

 

[YowYan]

Police brutality is getting worse by the day. Police state in the making, huh.
They've been militarizing police for a while now in combination with trying to take our/you americans' guns away so you can't defend yourself against tyranny. I wonder what pharmaceutical medicine or brain wave altering stuff they use to make cops so disfunctional or they deliberately pick out the retarded rednecks.

Anything to keep the cattle/humans in control.

Obviously, most cops are decent.

Here's a nice example of cops abusing their power and bring filmed without knowing. Pay attention.

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[Multiply]

Police : the civil force of a national or local government, responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order.

Civil: -of or relating to the people who live in a country.
-of, relating to, or involving the general public, their activities, needs, or ways, or civic affairs as distinguished from special (as military or religious) affairs


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This thread was made useless when you wrote that.

As your own definition states, what use are the police if they can't even fulfill their duty without murdering people? Of course not all cops are bad, yet when people are being murdered because cops are incompetent and/or racist or prejudice, shouldn't that mean something?

It's easy for someone to say cop hate is over used, but think of all the people who have lost someone close to them because of a cop. Think about it in the perspective of someone who has been beat by a cop for absolutely no reason? Look at this video:

[video=youtube;ZjZysVHLA2Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjZysVHLA2Y[/video]

Ever heard of the LA riots? No?

Spoiler

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After that man was brutally beaten, it caused a massive uproar within the community, and caused up to one billion dollars in damage. All for what? Imagine being that man's friend after seeing that video. You just saw your friend get ravaged by up to 4 police officers all while at least 6 others watched, and you're going to tell me you wouldn't be absolutely outraged? You're just lying to yourself if you say no Lol.

 

[KingHashirama]

This thread was made useless when you wrote that.

As your own definition states, what use are the police if they can't even fulfill their duty without murdering people? Of course not all cops are bad, yet when people are being murdered because cops are incompetent and/or racist or prejudice, shouldn't that mean something?

It's easy for someone to say cop hate is over used, but think of all the people who have lost someone close to them because of a cop. Think about it in the perspective of someone who has been beat by a cop for absolutely no reason? Look at this video:

[video=youtube;ZjZysVHLA2Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjZysVHLA2Y[/video]

Ever heard of the LA riots? No?

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

After that man was brutally beaten, it caused a massive uproar within the community, and caused up to one billion dollars in damage. All for what? Imagine being that man's friend after seeing that video. You just saw your friend get ravaged by up to 4 police officers all while at least 6 others watched, and you're going to tell me you wouldn't be absolutely outraged? You're just lying to yourself if you say no Lol.

Ok here is the thing. My cousin + 2 uncles, died catching criminals. What about them? Imagine being their family member and watching pricks and idiots defending criminals. Saying "screw the pigs".. "f*ck the police".

So not "easy" for us to say it. Its LOGICAL of us to say its overrated and over used. Of course police gets the blame for stopping riots..rofl. THEY GET THE BLAME FOR EVERY SINGLE THING... EVEN THOUGH ITS THE PEOPLE'S FAULT....

And also, no what i stated in the thread about the definitions does not go against me, and how i used them. You picked definitions and ignored the point i used them in. So sorry but my point still stands.

And as for your post.. change your government.. Cops are MADE TO FOLLOW LAW... when they are ordered something, they have to do it. CHANGE YOUR GOVERNMENTS. Or go into the police and try to be an example.. Cause they ain't anything special.. Police sin't batman.. they ain't superman.. they ain't spiderman ..

And also read the above of the thread where it says this thread is not meant to justify the actions of individuals. However, Can i show you things, where police has helped? Can I show you where civilians have killed each other until the police came?

Police is the barricade in the U.S that prevents gangs from taking over, since the government wants to focus on shit that doesn't even matter half of the times.

 

[Multiply]

Ok here is the thing. My cousin + 2 uncles, died catching criminals. What about them? Imagine being their family member and watching pricks and idiots defending criminals. Saying "screw the pigs".. "f*ck the police".

So not "easy" for us to say it. Its LOGICAL of us to say its overrated and over used. Of course police gets the blame for stopping riots..rofl. THEY GET THE BLAME FOR EVERY SINGLE THING... EVEN THOUGH ITS THE PEOPLE'S FAULT....

And also, no what i stated in the thread about the definitions does not go against me, and how i used them. You picked definitions and ignored the point i used them in. So sorry but my point still stands.

And as for your post.. change your government.. Cops are MADE TO FOLLOW LAW... when they are ordered something, they have to do it. CHANGE YOUR GOVERNMENTS. Or go into the police and try to be an example.. Cause they ain't anything special.. Police sin't batman.. they ain't superman.. they ain't spiderman ..

And also read the above of the thread where it says this thread is not meant to justify the actions of individuals. However, Can i show you things, where police has helped? Can I show you where civilians have killed each other until the police came?

Police is the barricade in the U.S that prevents gangs from taking over, since the government wants to focus on shit that doesn't even matter half of the times.

@Bold is where I'll stop this rant. No one is protecting criminals. It's simply that no one deserves to die over something so unimportant as a pack of cigarettes.

I wasn't talking about all police officers. I'm talking about those who are incompetent. Those who don't deserve their job, or a place in society. Those who abuse their position in society to murder others. People can complain about the President or Congress doing a shitty job, but we can't complain about the cops without being violently ushered into our houses and murdered in the streets. Makes sense.

 

[EliteWarrior]

did you used to play trumpet in one of those KKK festivals or something?

 

[KingHashirama]

@Bold is where I'll stop this rant. No one is protecting criminals. It's simply that no one deserves to die over something so unimportant as a pack of cigarettes.

I wasn't talking about all police officers. I'm talking about those who are incompetent. Those who don't deserve their job, or a place in society. Those who abuse their position in society to murder others. People can complain about the President or Congress doing a shitty job, but we can't complain about the cops without being violently ushered into our houses and murdered in the streets. Makes sense.

1 individual, who comes from people like me and you.

"No one i protecting criminals". Oh man please... AMerica is filled with pricks who want to protect criminals "FREE _____"

When in society we have people doing shoot-outs everday, and those very people can easily join the police. Police don't have high standards to join.

You can join the cops, and go shoot a whole school... who are you gonna blame? the individual or the whole department? I would blame the society..


The society is corrupted, so will the police. THere are plenty of cops who get blackmailed, and threatened about their families. Why? Because they try to do "justice". You also have corrupt policitians... Yet we are the same people who vote for them.. why?

 

[Wabbit]

It depends on the place,for America problem is they are getting militarized

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Here police are henchmen for the people who are in power and money.The few rare individuals always mysteriously die.Neither society nor government treats them very good.Police brutality,corruption all happens in daylight but people are spineless to act.

 

[Corgi]

Get rid of the pigs. And by pigs, I don't mean all cops. Pigs mean the incompetent corrupt cops, not all of them. Most people who hate the police do so because of personal experience with incompetent cops. The cops let them down, so they turn their back on cops.

I find it funny how you claim people suck for lumping all cops in with the few, but fail to see the distinction between all cops and pigs.

 

[ministerC4]

Get rid of the pigs. And by pigs, I don't mean all cops. Pigs mean the incompetent corrupt cops, not all of them. Most people who hate the police do so because of personal experience with incompetent cops. The cops let them down, so they turn their back on cops.

I find it funny how you claim people suck for lumping all cops in with the few, but fail to see the distinction between all cops and pigs.

I fail to see the ratio.
Lighten it up?