[DEBATE] SM Naruto(HairJordan) vs Pain(NSUNSR)

[TRE MERCER]

L0l you don't know how to debate? Im ending this in the next post l0l.

 

[NSUNSR]

L0l you don't know how to debate? Im ending this in the next post l0l.

Good luck with thatLol.

 

[Haizaki]

NSUNR you should quote it bit by bit since it's hard to tell which post is yours.

 

[NSUNSR]

NSUNR you should quote it bit by bit since it's hard to tell which post is yours.

Yeah, I wasn't sure how to seperate his post. Advise?

 

[Haizaki]

Highlight each point you want to reply to and then click the last command to your right on the Menu bar above( It says "Wrap QUOTE around text") You should see this around his post after clicking on it : ""

You can then reply to that point you "quoted" and then press enter after your reply to create space and then Quote the other points he made.

At the very end of his post, you'll see this "[/QUOTE]" Remove it so your whole reply doesn't get mixed up with his own. Then highlight the last post you want to reply to and Quote it again after removing "[/QUOTE]"

Get it?

 

[Unorthodox]

okay i couldnt not even see what Nuns post was like his post looked like Hair jordans

Also im not a judge but so far NUNRS has a terrible post i mean he was saying stuff like no he cannot and thats isnt going to happen given no real explanations as to why it wont happen

 

[TRE MERCER]

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Countering your opener. ​

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Naraka Path
Naraka will be untouchable, since he has the protection of all the paths in front of him. If a path dies King of Hell will revive it.

Countering Naraka will be easy. All Naruto has to do is is drag the bodies away from them once he finishes them or nuke the demon head thing via FRS. They will have to split up because if they don't they all can be one shotted by Toad Confrontation Chant if they stay close together. Not mention once the battle gets heated the paths won't have enough time to try and save Naraka once he's rushed by by some Sm clones and defeated in Taijutsu. This will be an easy task for Naruto clones seeing as someone on Konohamaru level took Naraka path out.(

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Asura Path
Now that Asura has the protection of the other paths he isn't getting blitzed. His rockets will be a distraction for Naruto and the Toads. Asura will use his

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to finish off the Giant Toads, while they are distracted, by Animal Path's summons.

Asura path missiles are countered simply by clones jumping in the way. Or using these much clones as a wall protect the toads.(

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). He tries to sneak up on them clones intercept him and proceed to destroy him in cqc.

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Animal Path
Cerberus: Cerberus is the biigest threat as a summon to Naruto, because of its immortality. It even

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FRS enchanced by Kurama's chakra. Not only is Cerberus immortal, but he can also split in multiple dogs.
Giant Bird: The Giant bird can

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Naruto's summons.
Giant Ox and Giant Rhino: They can serve as a distraction for the Toads.
Giant Chameleon: Can catch one of Naruto's summons off guard, with the tongue, its snake-like-tail has, due to his invisibility.
Giant Crab: The Giant Crab can use Water Release: Wild Bubble Wave to counter Bunta's oil, or trap the toads in the liquid.

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Summons not mentioned are useless...

Cerberus is getting caught in Frog call once it get's close. Then Gamahiro turn into Kurama via Combination Transformation once Cerberus is stunned Kurama tails wrap and hold him down so it cannon split into more Cerberus similar to this.(

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). Once giant bird comes down toward the summonings Naruto catches it and Gamabunta proceeds to stab it through the back.(

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).Ox and Rhino will not be distractions simply because Naruto can just throw FRS at them or send clones to Toss them in the air like he did in cannon. Pa roast them with his fire style. Naruto has info on chameleon once it goes invisible Shima uses dust cloud.(

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). Once the dust cloud is up Ma and Pa get together to preform Toad chant which is different from frog call. The crab has to get close to use those bubbles seeing as they don't have range once it gets close a surprise Rasengan from above ends it like this.(

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Human Path
Human Path isn't covered by any Paths aren't than Deva, but I'm sure this isn't a problem.

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he catches Jiraya's Punch, just before Jiraya hits him. During the Pain Invasion Arc, Human Path blitzes a sensory squad.

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. Human Path not only dodged FRS, but also saved Animal Path, by grabbing him and throwing him away, just before Animal Path was hit.

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. Its kind of a stretch, but i will say that Human Path can also take Toads souls out, since well... they have souls... Human Path will also be needed for my stragedy of finishing off Naruto.

Since he's going to be behide Deva path the real Naruto will engage both of them with 3 clones by his side and while he's fused with Ma and Pa.(Explained why this will happen in opener) Naruto simply throws a 2 Rasenshuriken at him one at a time while his first clone runs toward them if Deva tries to be resistant and not use ST Naruto will catch him by surprise with this.(

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). Let's say it fails the second one will surely be caught by Naruto first clone that ran toward Deva and Human. Naruto clone catches the Rasenshuriken like this.(

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). At this range Deva will have no choice but to use ST. Once that happens the real Naruto get's launched toward Deva like this.(

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). If Human path decides to jump in the way seeing as Deva path is the most valuable Shima uses her katon to roast him. Then Naruto proceeds to put a Rasengan to Deva path stomach. The Naruto clones that launched him proceed to get the dead paths away from Naraka(If he's still alive).

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Preta Path
Preta Path absorbs FRS, while Deva can't use ST. He can also absorb any elemental attack,coming from Ma and Pa.

Preta is countered rather easily.(

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)-(

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). Once that happens Naruto proceeds to take his body away form the others.

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Deva Path
A very important Path, but also the strongest one, so I'm not afraid putting him in front. Deva will use ST to repel Shadow Clones and FRS. He will also use BT on Fukasu, so that he won't be able to gather senjutsu chakra for Naruto. Deva Path along with Human Path will finish off Naruto. If needed Deva ends this fight with CST and CT.

Already countered everything here in my first post. Also he cannot BT Fukasu since he can now fuse with Naruto.

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How Pain Defeats Naruto
Summons get defeteated, by already explained ways. Once Deva uses BT on Fukasu, Naruto won't be able to make more than 2 FRS, or one CFRS.If Naruto uses Smoke Bombs, Asura bombards the place where the Smoke is, or Deva uses an ST there. Preta, Human, Asura Path, and Summons will attack Naruto, so that Deva can use ST again. However, even this won't be needed since Deva dodged the the hidden FRS, Naruto threw behind the other FRS, and easily defeated the clones that suprisingly attacked him.

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BT and a soul rip defeat Naruto. If Human Path isn't revived, then Preta sacrifises himself for the team. If needed a focused CST kills Naruto and all of the toads, seeing that a lot weaker one broke Gamabunta's bones.

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. CT will definetely defeat Naruto.

All this has already been countered above and in my opener.

KN6 started prepping a Bijuudama, once the black orb started pulling him.x

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Naruto won't be able to use CFRS, since its too time consuming. Clones, then making an FRS, then making it bigger, CT will have already smashed him. Even if he is able to throw it it won't destroy CT.

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Unfinished KN6

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. CT easily

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a full Bijuudama.

That Ct was already well developed when KN5 Naruto fired that Bijuudama clearly.(

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). CFRS is not that consuming since a tired and beaten base Naruto preformed it. I don't see why he cannot preform multiple when he's healthy. the time it takes to make them isn't much at all.(

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). Let's say multiple of those wont work. Naruto tell Pa to use Reverse summoning to get him out of the area.

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Lol, k then...

I'm fine with that.

LolHow is changing Gamahiro's look helping.:|


Lol So many flaws. You sound like all the paths will just wait for Naruto to do all these things. A single ST destroys all clones. And how is Naruto using 4 CFRS at the same time, when he has only been shown to be able to use one?XD

Nope, what happens is Deva stabs the clone just like he did it

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I've already explayned why none of this is happening.


LolNo.


Thats why Deva isn't rushing at Naruto.


Already posted Human Path feats.So Pain's weakest ST won't kill Naruto? Well the one Deva used on the Boss summons destroys Naruto. Naraka is protected by other Paths, or King of Hell kills the clones.


LolNaruto has no counter to BT.

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,

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. Frogs, aren't reacting faster than SM NarutoLol.


Not if Naruto doesn't have his clones. Summoning so many wastes Naruto's SM chakra, and then he is easily killed.


LolA fresh Deva easily dodges this fodder attack.

How are Toads, saving Naruto from CST, when they were fodderised by a normal ST?XD Deva focused ST on a

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, he isn't killing the other paths, he just sends the ST straight forward.XD


How is he making 5 of these, when he has only been shown to use one? Lets say Naruto makes two clones on his platform to make a CFRS. How is he making 5 CFRS, when he needs 14 clones for that. He can't summon them on the little platform. Unless you mean that he can make clones on the other platforms which is just absurd.:|


No...


Then Naruto's Toads get killed, because Ox and Rhino were just a distraction.


Then Gamahiro gets one shotted, and Cerberus proceeds to create chaos.



Water Bubble Wave says hi.

Animal Path won't hide...

GG​

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BT wasn't countered because Naruto was at suck a close range not to mention Ma and Pa wasn't fused with him. All he has to do is keep his range and when he's pull Rasenshurikens and clones can counter Deva. CT isn't taking out all clones seeing as it couldn't even do that in cannon.(

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). Naruto made a CFRS while beaten and battered from a long battle with Juubito i don't see why i healthy Naruto cannot make multiple. No isn't a counter sorry buddy your going to need more than just a No.

Countered the rest of that argument above.

 

[NSUNSR]

First post i went easy on you- its time to finish this once and for all!(stretches neck)

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Why Naruto isn't making more than one CFRS​

When Naruto first mastered SM, he could

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2 FRS.​

Naruto is

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, while the Aliance is fighting Madara. Then, after only using

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, Naruto

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. He didn't lose it immediately, but he lost it after the meteor fell down. However he used no jutsus after the FRS. Oh, and btw this is from the War Arc, so its only a day away from current Naruto. Naruto did use CFRS, but this by no mean shows us that he can create multiple. There is no evidence, nor manga scans that even suggest that Naruto can make multiple CFRS. Even if he does make multiple CFRS(impossible but lets assume it for a minute), Naruto will need to make lots of clones, and clones which will deplete his power. Let's say he makes 12 clones for 4 CFRS. Then this CFRS will be very weak, because the clones will only have 1/12 of Naruto's power. To furthermore counter CFRS, Asura or Deva Path blast away Naruto's clones who just waisted Naruto's chakra. Another way is: Paths get close to each other, Deva jumps and uses ST to counter all CFRS's, while also not hitting the other paths.
So to sum it up:
1There is no evidence that Naruto can use multiple CFRS
2IF Naruto makes these CFRS they will be weak
3Clones get destroyed before they perform their jutsu
4Deva can destroy the CFR's
#firstpointiswrecked

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Why are Boss Summons not a dangerous threat​

Boss Summons are no big threat​

Animal Path summons Giant Ox and Rhino to distract Gamahen and Gamabunta. Asura Path fastly

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Gamabunta. After that Animal Path summons Cerberus, and the Giant Chameleon. While Gamaken has to fight the OX and the Rhino, Asura Path one shots him too. Transformed Gamahiro, gets caught by the Chameleon's Snake like tail's tongue, and then Cerberus kills him. Since Cerberus hasn't been killed by the Summons, Cerberus proceeds to serve as a distraction to Naruto. Animal Path summons the Giant Bird and Crab for additional support. Animal Path won't hide in the Chameleon, because the Chameleon will be used offensively. Ma and Pa: They have wind and fire release elmental attacks. Preta Path easily absorbs this jutsu, since he already

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, or Water Bubble Wave washes it away. If they try using Frog Song, Deva

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and kills them- which also means limited SM for Naruto, since Pa won't be able to gather SM chakra for him anymore.
#Ihadfrogsfordinner

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Why Naruto won't be able to steal any of Pain's bodies, and why will this be troublesome​

If Naruto kills any of the Pain's bodies, they are revived by King Of Hell. Pain making a sacrifice of Preta or Human, which won't be a problem since King Of Hell can revive them super fast. Jiraya is

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from the dead bodies. Jiraya

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by Asura. Jiraya then gets

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, and on the bottom panel we see Naraka saying "It's Time", implying that the bodies have been revived! Naruto's

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and

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have been shown to push the paths away, so Naruto won't be able to catch them. So after Human or Preta get killed, King of Hell revives one of the Paths, while the other one is the next decoy, so that the killed Path will be ready to fight, after the second decoy has been killed. Deva can also go against Naruto and use ST to push him away, because he's too important to die. If Naruto doesn't get to the Paths fast enough, then the Summons, and Asura will be finished owning the Frogs, and Naruto will constantly get attacked from all directions. In the end all Paths will be alive, and Naruto will be finished off by the BT and Human Path combo.
#narutoain'tgettingclose

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Why Naruto doesn't have a counter to Deva's abilities​

Bansho Tennin: Naruto has literally no counters to BT. It doesn't even need an explanation. I will leave the scans show you what i mean.

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. So pretty much what happens is: Naruto gets pulled, Human Path gets in front and soul rips Naruto, then Deva kills Ma and Pa. Some people may ask themselves: Know that Naruto knows about BT, can't he counter it? However, the answe is No! "

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". So Naruto already knew about the jutsu!GGNaruto
ChouShinraTensei: Deva Path pretty much does

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, but

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.GGNaruto
Chibaku Tensei: Pain's ultimate technique. In my opinion CT won't be needed even in the worse scenario, but why don't add a bit more overkill! To create CFRS Naruto will need to: Summon shadow clones, Create a FRS, and he then need to makes it bigger if he wants it to destroy ST's core. After KN6

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he immediately

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, and after the

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, KN6 immediately got squashed. An

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is easily bigger than

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. Furthermore Naruto will be very close to the CT so he will get hit by his own explosion.GGNaruto
To sum it up:

Bansho Tenin:
1.Naruto has no counter to it, and easily gets killed.
2.Naruto already knew about BT, but still couldn't counter it.
CST:
1.CST destroys Naruto completely.
CT:
1.Naruto won't make a CFRS in time
2.Naruto's CFRS won't destroy the CT
3.The explosion will kill Naruto
#almightydevakillsnaruto
#narutobitesthedust

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#narutocanonlyprayforhislife

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Fast answers to some situations​

1.Naruto making hundreds of clones: Clones get

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away, and waste a ton of Naruto's chakra.
2.Ma and Pa try again to paralyze the summons: To cast this jutsu, Ma and Pa

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in the air. This leaves them vulnerable to missles, chakra rods, BT, and Flaming Arrow of Amazing ability.

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Countering your opener. ​

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Countering Naraka will be easy. All Naruto has to do is is drag the bodies away from them once he finishes them or nuke the demon head thing via FRS. They will have to split up because if they don't they all can be one shotted by Toad Confrontation Chant if they stay close together. Not mention once the battle gets heated the paths won't have enough time to try and save Naraka once he's rushed by by some Sm clones and defeated in Taijutsu. This will be an easy task for Naruto clones seeing as someone on Konohamaru level took Naraka path out.(

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LolAlready countered, bodies are pushed away. The Genjutsu is also countered by BT, just as i have previosly explained. Already explained why Naruto isn't getting close. Damn, I already countered all your points and i even made it before your post.XD

Asura path missiles are countered simply by clones jumping in the way. Or using these much clones as a wall protect the toads.(

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). He tries to sneak up on them clones intercept him and proceed to destroy him in cqc.

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LolI said the lazer not the missles. To create these clones Naruto got Kuraama's chakra, and after that he completely depleted his chakra again. How are you even calling these counters!XD

Cerberus is getting caught in Frog call once it get's close. Then Gamahiro turn into Kurama via Combination Transformation once Cerberus is stunned Kurama tails wrap and hold him down so it cannon split into more Cerberus similar to this.(

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). Once giant bird comes down toward the summonings Naruto catches it and Gamabunta proceeds to stab it through the back.(

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).Ox and Rhino will not be distractions simply because Naruto can just throw FRS at them or send clones to Toss them in the air like he did in cannon. Pa roast them with his fire style. Naruto has info on chameleon once it goes invisible Shima uses dust cloud.(

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). Once the dust cloud is up Ma and Pa get together to preform Toad chant which is different from frog call. The crab has to get close to use those bubbles seeing as they don't have range once it gets close a surprise Rasengan from above ends it like this.(

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LolAlready counterd this and how is Naruto catching something that

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??? My point is that Naruto will get caught by BT while Summonings are distracting him, and you say Naruto is going straight for the summons? Well thank you.

Since he's going to be behide Deva path the real Naruto will engage both of them with 3 clones by his side and while he's fused with Ma and Pa.(Explained why this will happen in opener) Naruto simply throws a 2 Rasenshuriken at him one at a time while his first clone runs toward them if Deva tries to be resistant and not use ST Naruto will catch him by surprise with this.(

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). Let's say it fails the second one will surely be caught by Naruto first clone that ran toward Deva and Human. Naruto clone catches the Rasenshuriken like this.(

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). At this range Deva will have no choice but to use ST. Once that happens the real Naruto get's launched toward Deva like this.(

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). If Human path decides to jump in the way seeing as Deva path is the most valuable Shima uses her katon to roast him. Then Naruto proceeds to put a Rasengan to Deva path stomach. The Naruto clones that launched him proceed to get the dead paths away from Naraka(If he's still alive).

You know that Preta Path can just go in front and

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the FRS. Right?

Preta is countered rather easily.(

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). Once that happens Naruto proceeds to take his body away form the others.

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Nope you're wrong. Deva was sitting and couldn't move at that time. If he was still mobile -

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Already countered everything here in my first post. Also he cannot BT Fukasu since he can now fuse with Naruto.

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All this has already been countered above and in my opener.

LolNo you haven't. You said Naruto can use a ninjusts in BT, when he couldn't even move:|.

That Ct was already well developed when KN5 Naruto fired that Bijuudama clearly.(

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Yes, the CT was almost full because it builds up very fast.

CFRS is not that consuming since a tired and beaten base Naruto preformed it. I don't see why he cannot preform multiple when he's healthy. the time it takes to make them isn't much at all.(

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). Let's say multiple of those wont work. Naruto tell Pa to use Reverse summoning to get him out of the area.

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What you didn't show is the time it took for Naruto- to summon the clones, to make the FRS, to make the FRS on the size you showed- Naruto has already been smacked. KN6 doesn't need to make his TBB, bigger nor does he need to summon clones. How is Naruto making multiple CFRS, when there won't even be space for the clones to breathe. Not to mention the fact that they won't be able to space out the CFRS's on the little platform.

BT wasn't countered because Naruto was at suck a close range not to mention Ma and Pa wasn't fused with him. All he has to do is keep his range and when he's pull Rasenshurikens and clones can counter Deva. CT isn't taking out all clones seeing as it couldn't even do that in cannon.(

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). Naruto made a CFRS while beaten and battered from a long battle with Juubito i don't see why i healthy Naruto cannot make multiple. No isn't a counter sorry buddy your going to need more than just a No.


Countered the rest of that argument above.

In the first Scenario with the BT Naruto wasn't any close to Deva:|.So you're implying that MA and Pa have faster reactions than Naruto? They have zero speed feats. All Naruto did with SM while he fought with Juubito is do a

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. Already explained why CT and BT are not countered. You gave no counter to CST, and to like half of my other arguments.

Judges can judge now.

 

[ARGUS]

Original Debater

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Your opener was good, but ur second post was not detailed and lacked proper explanations

You did well regarding naruto seperating the paths from each other, and you also made good use of narutos summons,
especially with gama toads transforming to kurama, however that still doesnt change their durability, and the fact that they got one-shotted by devas ST, wasnt helping you.
Your point on ma using the dust cloud was also good, and ur point on transforming the FRS helped you strengthen your argument as well,

you however, overrated narutos reactions to a whole other level, and just by having ma&pa on his shoulders doesnt mean that he can perceive devas jutsus, when he as well as ma&pa were unable to do so in canon. Furthermore SM Naruto struggled with Blind Madaras speed, which are much slower than the speed of devas jutsus, and unlike devas jutsu they can still be sensed and percieved,
naruto creating many COFRS within seconds is also very very wrong and is just no-limits fallacy, seeing how war arc naruto ran out of SM after using 4 FRS, COFRS on the other hand is on a whole other level and would requite quite alot of charge up time, judging by the size and magnitude of the jutsu,

you also didnt go into much detail in naruto countering deva path who contributes the main firepower for pein and in your second post, you only stated that ''already countered above'' which weakened your argument and you also stated that deva would need to use his large scale ST to repel FRS/COFRS which is wrong
you should have also addressed more into how naruto prevents himself from BT, since that was the main point for NSUNSR

you also countered preta path quite well, which made your argument quite well, as the use of Frog katas helped you

narutos SM durability was also vastly overrated in your argument, his durability is still on the same ballpark as the Gama trio who got wrecked by the boss sized ST, and you didnt address much into how naruto would help himself to surivive an ST of that magnitude nigh instantly,

and lastly, naruto cant destroy the demon gate of hell, as it has no real physical shape or form,

NSUNSR

Spoiler

Your opener was weak and didnt counter much of OriginalDebaters points, but you picked yourself up quite well in your second post,

you did well in addressing narutos limit on creating FRS, which OD was overrating,
you also did well on deva using BT, and his large scale attacks, and you made very good use of peins summons, especially with the water bubble wave which can counter the oil and fire combo quite well,

as for your flaws, you focused too much on BT but you didnt address much on Boss sized ST which couldve helped you quite a bit, and due to naruto unable to tank the attack from point blank as well as unable to percieve the attack
you should have emphasised more on this to help strengthen your response,

you also focused on ningendo too much, however pein can kill naruto in multiple ways, andd you could have used charka rods from each paths which can immobilise naruto and allow pein a very good opening,
you however did well on countering ma and pa's arsenal

another mistake with your post was that naruto not being able to counter CT, which is wrong especially seein that with intel and clones naruto can fire off FRS and COFRS through his clones to destroy the orb before it expands, too much and theres also the fact that nagatos techniques are on a much higher scale than Peins,

your opener in your 2nd post was very good but then you didnt address OD's post at all, and just stated already countered above, and you also could have highlighted or bolded some of the points from OD's statements that you are countering so that its clear what exactly are you stating,

you had the easier option since by feats and portrayal Pein has many ways to take out SM naruto, but you didnt use pein as well as you could have,

Winner

Spoiler

Overalll both of you lacked detail in your debate and had alot of prominent flaws in your arguments,
as both of you couldve used alot more points instead of just saying ''countered above''
NSUNSR, you could have used Pein to a much higher extent, and you focused too much on the little details yet you missed out on explaining devas potential in firepower and ability to significantly damage naruto and then immobilise him with chakra rods, OriginalDebater also overrated narutos use of FRS/COFRS quite a bit, as well as the time at which he forms these attacks, but his use of Frog Call, substitution jutsu and frog katas gave him the edge,
and the fact that his opener was better then NSUNSR gave him the clear advantage

my vote goes to OriginalDebater (hairjordan)

 

[NSUNSR]

Original Debater

Spoiler

Your opener was good, but ur second post was not detailed and lacked proper explanations

You did well regarding naruto seperating the paths from each other, and you also made good use of narutos summons,
especially with gama toads transforming to kurama, however that still doesnt change their durability, and the fact that they got one-shotted by devas ST, wasnt helping you.
Your point on ma using the dust cloud was also good, and ur point on transforming the FRS helped you strengthen your argument as well,

you however, overrated narutos reactions to a whole other level, and just by having ma&pa on his shoulders doesnt mean that he can perceive devas jutsus, when he as well as ma&pa were unable to do so in canon. Furthermore SM Naruto struggled with Blind Madaras speed, which are much slower than the speed of devas jutsus, and unlike devas jutsu they can still be sensed and percieved,
naruto creating many COFRS within seconds is also very very wrong and is just no-limits fallacy, seeing how war arc naruto ran out of SM after using 4 FRS, COFRS on the other hand is on a whole other level and would requite quite alot of charge up time, judging by the size and magnitude of the jutsu,

you also didnt go into much detail in naruto countering deva path who contributes the main firepower for pein and in your second post, you only stated that ''already countered above'' which weakened your argument and you also stated that deva would need to use his large scale ST to repel FRS/COFRS which is wrong
you should have also addressed more into how naruto prevents himself from BT, since that was the main point for NSUNSR

you also countered preta path quite well, which made your argument quite well, as the use of Frog katas helped you

narutos SM durability was also vastly overrated in your argument, his durability is still on the same ballpark as the Gama trio who got wrecked by the boss sized ST, and you didnt address much into how naruto would help himself to surivive an ST of that magnitude nigh instantly,

and lastly, naruto cant destroy the demon gate of hell, as it has no real physical shape or form,

NSUNSR

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Your opener was weak and didnt counter much of OriginalDebaters points, but you picked yourself up quite well in your second post,

you did well in addressing narutos limit on creating FRS, which OD was overrating,
you also did well on deva using BT, and his large scale attacks, and you made very good use of peins summons, especially with the water bubble wave which can counter the oil and fire combo quite well,

as for your flaws, you focused too much on BT but you didnt address much on Boss sized ST which couldve helped you quite a bit, and due to naruto unable to tank the attack from point blank as well as unable to percieve the attack
you should have emphasised more on this to help strengthen your response,

you also focused on ningendo too much, however pein can kill naruto in multiple ways, andd you could have used charka rods from each paths which can immobilise naruto and allow pein a very good opening,
you however did well on countering ma and pa's arsenal

another mistake with your post was that naruto not being able to counter CT, which is wrong especially seein that with intel and clones naruto can fire off FRS and COFRS through his clones to destroy the orb before it expands, too much and theres also the fact that nagatos techniques are on a much higher scale than Peins,

your opener in your 2nd post was very good but then you didnt address OD's post at all, and just stated already countered above, and you also could have highlighted or bolded some of the points from OD's statements that you are countering so that its clear what exactly are you stating,

you had the easier option since by feats and portrayal Pein has many ways to take out SM naruto, but you didnt use pein as well as you could have,

Winner

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Overalll both of you lacked detail in your debate and had alot of prominent flaws in your arguments,
as both of you couldve used alot more points instead of just saying ''countered above''
NSUNSR, you could have used Pein to a much higher extent, and you focused too much on the little details yet you missed out on explaining devas potential in firepower and ability to significantly damage naruto and then immobilise him with chakra rods, OriginalDebater also overrated narutos use of FRS/COFRS quite a bit, as well as the time at which he forms these attacks, but his use of Frog Call, substitution jutsu and frog katas gave him the edge,
and the fact that his opener was better then NSUNSR gave him the clear advantage

my vote goes to OriginalDebater (hairjordan)

Of course there are some things I don't agree with you(especially the part with CT), but i understand why i lost.
I didn't use Deva enough, didn't use the chakra rods too, and didn't do too well in my first post so i can understand your verdict. I'm just hoping Original Debater still doesn't think that Naruto wins this fight.

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There is still hope though- two judges remining.

 

[Akasuna]

NSUNSR

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Your first post had more than a few flaws, although you did stop the FRS bullshit that OD was going on with. Bansho Tenin was utilized nicely in your strategy as a counter to Ma and Pa (your counters to the other toads were great), although you relied on it a bit too much in terms of offense from there. Even more so, along the same lines, despite the fact that Deva is undoubtedly the biggest factor in Nagato's arsenal, you didn't quite use all of the paths and their teamwork as effectively as you could have, while instead overrating Deva's abilities: the Animal + Naraka combo could have been devastating and yet it wasn't even mentioned.

OriginalDebater

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Your opener was definitely sound, and yet I feel that the quality dropped off in your second post when you went on the defensive. You massively overrated COFRS as well, although you seemed to realize that in your final post and didn't place as much emphasis on it. Your strategy with the toads was very interesting, and yet it was swiftly countered by NSUNSR. What I feel you did best in is describing the strategic value of Naruto's Bunshin (transforming into rocks, diversions, etc.) and yet you never really posed a true counter to Shinra Tensei - although you did counter the other paths in a very good manner.

Winner

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I have to give this match to OriginalDebater. As Kifflom said, both of you used 'countered above' too much without circulating many new points from your openers, and as such you didn't go as in depth into your character's abilities as possible. Even so, I feel that OriginalDebater had the better arguments out of the both of you, what with his Bunshin strategies, Frog Kata, and toad abilities.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Akasuna is full of shit, do not listen to this troll.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Akasuna is full of shit, do not listen to this troll.

So who do you think wins?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

So who do you think wins?

Did not read; But Akasuna can hardly speak English let alone translate it into his Sub Saharan language.

 

[Akasuna]

Did not read; But Akasuna can hardly speak English let alone translate it into his Sub Saharan language.

Billiam, I swear to god, you're just sour because Stannis is ded.

 

[Unorthodox]

Nuns lost badly Lel