Kakashi the Rikudo Hokage

[Rabbit Teth]

[Theory] Kakashi the Rikudo Hokage

I've gotten into a bad habit of writing stupidly long theories so I'll keep this one short(er).

In this last chapter Kakashi makes a strange remark - he talks about having the Rikudo's power:

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But Kakashi has only received Obito's power:

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That doesn't add up. Well it doesn't unless Kakashi and Obito are one of the generations that Indra and Asura have transmigrated into. What is interesting to me is how Kakashi and Obito have both been shown carrying staffs and that these staffs correspond to those passed down to Indra and Asura. Hopefully this makes sense but it requires you to make a leap into the world of symbolism.

Hagoromo's Awakening - mixing Indra and Asura

Hagoromo is able to reawaken when Indra and Asura's Chakra is united. When Hashirama mixes his Chakra with Madara, Hashirama's Asura chakra mixes with Madara's Indra Chakra and this reawakens Hagoromo's Chakra which is a combination of both.

Mixing Chakra

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Hagoromo's Explanation

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Sun and Moon Staff

Hagoromo has the complete staff which is Sun and Moon

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Obito has the Sun Staff

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You might not have noticed this but in the colour spread a couple of weeks ago Kishi drew Kakashi with the Moon Staff (as Gandalf Kakashi):

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The Sun Staff was inherited by Asura and his hosts and the Moon Staff was inherited by Indra and his - this is neatly summed up here:

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So when Kakashi received Obito's Chakra he might have acquired all he needed to become not just the next Hokage but the Rikudo Hokage:
Hokage notes

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This implies that Indra does not just transmigrate to Uchiha and that Asura does not just transmigrate to Senju (and their relatives) like Hashirama and Naruto. I don't think the chakra of Indra and Asura necessarily remains in one individual at a time since Madara has Indra Chakra at the same time that Sasuke does. The chakra can also be mixed anew (as seen above with Hashirama) or stolen as seen in the route taken by Madara:

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Anyway this is just the beginning of an idea…What do you think?

 

[Everztar]

Obito was jubi jinchuuriki at one point, and had some chakra left... <--- this is why

 

[TheSageOfNinetails]

Obito had Rikodou's powers when he was Juubi Jin.

He gave all his power to Kakashi, including that leftover.

 

[xxSAGExx]

What they said^^^ Obito took Sage chakra from Madara right before getting both of his eyes and he unlocked PS then gave Kakashi his power. Not that hard to get Kakashi lacks the Uchihaness to unlock Sharingan power, it was Obito who unlocked both of his MS.

 

[Rabbit Teth]

Obito might have acquired the chakra of the Juubi but he did not inherit Hagoromo's power. Obito only ever carried the Sun Staff which is only one half of the Rikudo's power. Madara (a host to Indra) only carried the Moon Staff which represents Indra and the legacy passed down the Uchiha. Obito does not conform to the Moon inheritance - what I'm suggesting is that he was only a host to Asura's power even though he wielded the chakra of the Juubi.

 

[Draxus]

Obito was jubi jinchuuriki at one point, and had some chakra left... <--- this is why

Long OP thread solo'd in 1 sentence... priceless.

Obito might have acquired the chakra of the Juubi but he did not inherit Hagoromo's power. Obito only ever carried the Sun Staff which is only one half of the Rikudo's power. Madara (a host to Indra) only carried the Moon Staff which represents Indra and the legacy passed down the Uchiha. Obito does not conform to the Moon inheritance - what I'm suggesting is that he was only an host to Asura's power even though he wielded the chakra of the Juubi.

The chakra of the juubi is the rikodu's power. The majority of his power came from sealing the juubi inside him. Why do you think took on characteristics of rikodu if this was not the case.

Also their can only be 1 transmigrate. Naruto was born while Obito was still alive, you theory makes 0 sense. How can Ashura's spirit be reborn in a new body, if the previous one never died? Are you trying to say their can be multiple transmigrates? You have no proof of this.

 

[Zakler2k9]

kakashi the uchiha fap*er

 

[Rabbit Teth]

Long OP thread solo'd in 1 sentence... priceless.



The chakra of the juubi is the rikodu's power. The majority of his power came from sealing the juubi inside him. Why do you think took on characteristics of rikodu if this was not the case.

Also their can only be 1 transmigrate. Naruto was born while Obito was still alive, you theory makes 0 sense. How can Ashura's spirit be reborn in a new body, if the previous one never died? Are you trying to say their can be multiple transmigrates? You have no proof of this.

The Juubi's power, which was originally sealed in the Gedo Mazo (the empty shell of Hagoromo), was removed from Obito before he gave his chakra to Kakashi:

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THe Sage had the sun and moon staff before he became Jinchuuriki to the Juubi:

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Dumbass response solo'd … you were saying.

 

[Shisho]

Obit was given Hashirama cells by Madara. Madara needed to be dead before Naruto and Sasuke were born. This right here nullifies most of the argument. Naruto had given Kakashi a "juubi" cloak, why couldn't he still have an invisible version of that?

Madara's dominant cells were Indra's, which is why he wielded moon staff.

 

[Rabbit Teth]

Obit was given Hashirama cells by Madara. Madara needed to be dead before Naruto and Sasuke were born. This right here nullifies most of the argument. Naruto had given Kakashi a "juubi" cloak, why couldn't he still have an invisible version of that?

Madara's dominant cells were Indra's, which is why he wielded moon staff.

Madara and Sasuke are alive at the same time for the short period between Madara resurrecting himself and the time that BZ forces him to transform into Kaguya. Indra and Asura can have their chakra in two different places at the same time. Naruto is not a reincarnation of Asura, he just inherited some of his chakra the same as Sasuke is not a reincarnation of Indra he just inherited some of Indra's. Their chakra can be shared, remixed to reawaken Hagoromo and stolen. Their chakra can be in multiple different individuals at the same time. At least that's the theory. Genetics (or cells) doesn't come into it except in the sense that they can house chakra.

 

[-ahhimane-]

All this stuff wasn't needed (I didn't read though)

Rikudo a.k.a sage of SIX paths
Kakashi becoming SIXTH Hokage.

 

[Rabbit Teth]

All this stuff wasn't needed (I didn't read though)

Rikudo a.k.a sage of SIX paths
Kakashi becoming SIXTH Hokage.

It helps to read posts before dismissing them. I don't necessarily expect everyone (or indeed anyone) to agree but I'm quite happy to address any flaws in the theory you can find. I'll even read any points you can make against the theory before I respond.

 

[linxekim]

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To clear all this crap concerning Kakashi gaining access to the rikudo chakra (asspull, plot hole, etc...), this is how he got it from Obito:

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[Legend Slayer]

Thought you were gona keep it short. Anyway I think its because obito had juubi's power. And juubi's power is rukidos power.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Shitkashi has no right to posses Rikudou chakra.

Hagoromo gg

 

[Rabbit Teth]

Thought you were gona keep it short. Anyway I think its because obito had juubi's power. And juubi's power is rukidos power.

I had to change that statement to short(er) when I realised it was getting too long again. Still it's not the easiest theory to follow so I had to include some background otherwise nobody would understand what I'm saying. Hell Even after explaining I'm not sure anyone actually follows.

Anyway back to your point. THe Rikudo had power before he sealed the Juubi inside himself. He had both the Rinnegan and a staff. The staff does not belong to the Juubi or even Juubi Jinchuurikis. The Moon symbol belongs to Indra and the Sun symbol belongs to Asura. Kakashi was previously hinted at to have inherited Indra's power (the moon staff) and Obito was already shown using the Sun staff (Asura's power). When Kakashi received Obito's chakra, there's a chance that Kakashi obtained the ability to use the Sage's Staff (both sun and moon).

In case it wasn't obvious enough what I meant in the above post, the Sun and Moon Staff was not a power obtained by taking the Juubi's chakra. Here is Hagoromo fighting the Juubi with the Sun and Moon Staff:

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and here is Hagoromo even bigger in case you can't make him out (Sun and Moon):

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See above for Obito with Sun and Kakashi with Moon plus Kakashi talking about now having the Rikudo's power.

 

[Rabbit Teth]

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and that was exactly the chakra that Obito passed on to Naruto (sorry I missed your post when I responded before). Obito does not take Rikudo chakra in your post he takes Bijuu chakra and not even from all of them. He then transfers that chakra into Naruto.

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Just Ichibi and Hachibi chakra

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[linxekim]

Lol dude... He stole some of Madara's Rikudo chakra to get part of the tailed beasts for Naruto (to rip them out of Madara). After transferring the beasts over he STILL had the Rikudo's chakra.

Look at the top left concern. There's the staff that he got back when he stole the chakra from Madara. Keep in mind this was AFTER the tail beasts were transferred over to Naruto.

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[Rabbit Teth]

Lol dude... He stole some of Madara's Rikudo chakra to get part of the tailed beasts for Naruto (to rip them out of Madara). After transferring the beasts over he STILL had the Rikudo's chakra.

Look at the top left concern. There's the staff that he got back when he stole the chakra from Madara. Keep in mind this was AFTER the tail beasts were transferred over to Naruto.

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None of what you quote refutes my theory. Obito passes the Bijuu chakra to Naruto and specifically not the Rikudo's chakra. There is a difference.

The Sage split the Juubi chakra into 9 Bijuu but before the Sage ever had any Juubi Chakra he already had both the Sun and Moon Staff and the Rinnegan. Hagoromo and Hamura were the first generation born with chakra. Hagoromo was the Sage of Six Paths (the Six Paths are represented by the rings on his staff) before he was the Juubi Jinchuuriki.

Obito did not withhold chakra from Naruto (which seems to be more or less what you're suggesting). He gave him all the Bijuu chakra that he stole from Madara. If Obito had stolen the Rikudo's power from Madara then he should have had the Sun and Moon Staff but he only had the SUn Staff - which is Asura's inheritance. Madara also did not have the Sun and Moon staff. He only had the Moon staff because he was the host to Indra. What I'm suggesting is that Obito was a host to Asura's chakra before he ever had any bijuu chakra and that Kakashi was also a host but to Indra.

Kishi only confirms explicitly two generations (Madara / Hashirama and Naruto / Sasuke) that inherited Indra and Asura's chakra but he shows that there were many more generations besides that had inherited the transmigrating chakra when he shows the path representing the transmigrating chakra.

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The Staffs are the biggest clue as to whose chakra transmigrated into who, Sun is Asura and Moon is Indra. By showing Obito with the Sun and Kakashi with the moon I think Kishi is letting us know that Kakashi and Obito were another generation into whom Indra and Asura's chakra transmigrated.

In order to obtain both the Sun and Moon Staff the two powers need to work together rather than what Madara tried which was to steal Hashirama's cells and force them into his body. That was the original message on the Naka Shrine Tablet and that's what Madara got wrong.

Sun + Moon = Hagoromo
Moon = Indra
Sun = Asura

THe Staff wouldn't just disappear because the Bijuu chakra was passed to Naruto. The Staff represents Asura's chakra which is one half of the Rikudo's original power.

… and this was only meant to be a short thread. I might have to put together a more complete one after all.

 

[Draxus]

The Juubi's power, which was originally sealed in the Gedo Mazo (the empty shell of Hagoromo), was removed from Obito before he gave his chakra to Kakashi:

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THe Sage had the sun and moon staff before he became Jinchuuriki to the Juubi:

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Dumbass response solo'd … you were saying.

Name calling because you I point out the gaping holes in your bad theory? Classie.

So first off, you already wrong. The Juubi (Kaguya) and it's body were sealed into Rikodu. He separated the chakra and then sealed the gedo mezo before he died.

The chakra was removed from Obito, but that doesn't mean he lost all of the powers he gained. He still kept the appearance and he still lived. It's kinda like how the ninja army used up their kyuubi cloaks but there was still a trace left behind.

The staff isn't directly related to Rikodu's power, it's simply a symbol of it. That was the worst part of your OP.