Comparing Naruto and Sasuke phases

[TheUnbiasedOne]

More chakra doesn't equal stronger. Is Hashirama stronger than Sasuke? Is p1 Naruto stronger than Kakashi? Is Tobirama stronger than Madara?

More chakra means nothing if you don't put it to better use than the next person. Come on it's always been known

EMS Sasuke >= BM Naruto
BSM Naruto >= EMS Sasuke.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

having more chakra = stronger :vincent:

When someone is stated/suggested to possess more chakra than someone, it's a testament to them being stronger than the person/entity they're being compared against. That is what is called a comparative statement dude.
Madara didn't complement Sasuke's power, he complimented his movement. My point still stands: Sasuke didn't even exist to him in that regard until he showed up with Hagoromo's powerup.

i wasn't angry in the least. I don't particularly care how funny you found it because what i said isn't any less true. If you weren't going to respond with anything intelligent to counteract my statement, you shouldn't have bothered replying.

I did agree with your last couple posts, but I would disagree that having more chakra makes you stronger. I do agree that this was a comparative statement though. Made by Sasuke who was acknowledging Naruto's strength.

 

[Styles]

having more chakra = stronger :vincent:

When someone is stated/suggested to possess more chakra than someone, it's a testament to them being stronger than the person/entity they're being compared against. That is what is called a comparative statement dude.
Madara didn't complement Sasuke's power, he complimented his movement. My point still stands: Sasuke didn't even exist to him in that regard until he showed up with Hagoromo's powerup.

No it doesn't just because you have more chakra never means someone is stronger if that was the case since Kisame have more chakra than Itachi he is stronger but he isn't Kisame even admitted Itachi is stronger or Naruto and Sasuke who have more chakra than Kakashi could they beat him? no having more chakra = stronger is false.

Naruto has always had way more chakra than Sasuke, so Sasuke's statement obviously wasn't about Naruto simply having more chakra than him, it's a direct power statement.

Sasuke never knew Naruto had full control of Kurama he never knew Kurama had that much chakra that's why he was shocked at Naruto using it with ease not because he was stronger.

More chakra doesn't equal stronger. Is Hashirama stronger than Sasuke? Is p1 Naruto stronger than Kakashi? Is Tobirama stronger than Madara?

More chakra means nothing if you don't put it to better use than the next person. Come on it's always been known

EMS Sasuke >= BM Naruto
BSM Naruto >= EMS Sasuke.

@ Bold exactly but Tobirama don't have more chakra than Madara i'm pretty sure of that.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

I don't think you get it. Summons are useless in 1v1 unless the other person is using one too or you are huge.

I wouldn't say that at all... I mean Naruto at any point above Sasuke could have used Food Cart Destroyer Technique and ended it there so long as Sasuke was on solid ground. Plus, Gamabunta was willing to go up against Deva Path and ate Animal Path. Gamabunta, one whose actually acknowledged personal weakness in the past was at least confident enough to go up against Deva Path (while Naruto was preparing to go back into Sage Mode).

 

[lanakui8]

Sasuke never knew Naruto had full control of Kurama he never knew Kurama had that much chakra that's why he was shocked at Naruto using it with ease not because he was stronger.

that's completely irrelevant. Unless you want to assert that throughout the entire manga, Sasuke always believed that he had more chakra than Naruto, it absolutely does not follow that Sasuke would be so pissed that Naruto has more chakra than him.

Not only that, but Sasuke already knows how much chakra the inferior 8 tails has, sensed Naruto's immense chakra all the way back from konoha, and explicitly acknowledged that

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, yet he never expresses the same reaction that he does when he sees Naruto using the kurama avatar. So he's obviously not simply just realizing that Naruto has more chakra than him, he's making an explicit power statement, Naruto is superior to him. And this is backed up by everything in the manga let it be the feats of BM Naruto crapping on Sasuke and his PS's feats, let it be BSM Naruto simultaneously powering up Sasuke, juugo, and the entire alliance while fighting Juubito while Sasuke needs juugo and naruto's power in order to fight alongside, let it be naruto being the one who plays the major role in taking Juubito down.

 

[V h o]

Seems sort of right. I always figured their power-ups were opposite of each other, like one would be stronger than the other and then eventually the would equal out.

 

[Styles]

that's completely irrelevant. Unless you want to assert that throughout the entire manga, Sasuke always believed that he had more chakra than Naruto, it absolutely does not follow that Sasuke would be so pissed that Naruto has more chakra than him.

Not only that, but Sasuke already knows how much chakra the inferior 8 tails has, sensed Naruto's immense chakra all the way back from konoha, and explicitly acknowledged that

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, yet he never expresses the same reaction that he does when he sees Naruto using the kurama avatar. So he's obviously not simply just realizing that Naruto has more chakra than him, he's making an explicit power statement, Naruto is superior to him.

He never believed he had more chakra than Naruto even if he felt Naruto's chakra he couldn't tell how strong or how much it was he wasn't talking about strength he was talking about Naruto's chakra capacity. KCM Naruto don't have nearly as much chakra as BM/BSM when he saw BM after he just used tons of chakra already and still had lots left over, Sasuke then said how could Naruto control control all this chakra perfectly does not indicate strength.

 

[lanakui8]

He never believed he had more chakra than Naruto even if he felt Naruto's chakra he couldn't tell how strong or how much it was he wasn't talking about strength he was talking about Naruto's chakra capacity. KCM Naruto don't have nearly as much chakra as BM/BSM when he saw BM after he just used tons of chakra already and still had lots left over, Sasuke then said how could Naruto control control all this chakra perfectly does not indicate strength.

So now you are chainging your argument from Naruto simply having more chakra than sasuke =/= strength to Naruto being able to control all this chakra perfectly =/= strength? If so, why do you assert that being able to control all this chakra perfectly =/= strength?

What's your explanation for why Sasuke is so angry that he's wondering how naruto has come so far while clenching his fists? If the only argument you can give is that 'you're arguments aren't necessarily true' then that basically proves you have no argument as no argument should assert a burden of proof of needing to be proven necessarily true.

So you've continuously failed to address the context of Sasuke's statement, and you've also failed to address the rest of the argument which shows that Sasuke's inferiority via feats and by the powers he needs from both Naruto and Juugo in order to fight alongside a Naruto who's spreading his own power across the entire army and still manages to pull far more weight than Sasuke does in the fight.

 

[WalksInShadows]

No it doesn't just because you have more chakra never means someone is stronger if that was the case since Kisame have more chakra than Itachi he is stronger but he isn't Kisame even admitted Itachi is stronger or Naruto and Sasuke who have more chakra than Kakashi could they beat him? no having more chakra = stronger is false.

so you're basically saying Kisame having more chakra than Itachi doesn't make him stronger, even when the former has the hype of having chakra reserves comparable to a bijuu and having the feats of turning an entire wasteland into a body of water along with well arguably handling Bee. Ok

Having more chakra than someone else does make them stronger. For what other reason was Kid Madara and Hashirama hyped as having more chakra than the adults around them if they weren't stronger?

Sasuke never knew Naruto had full control of Kurama he never knew Kurama had that much chakra that's why he was shocked at Naruto using it with ease not because he was stronger.

KM Naruto has been hyped as having chakra reserves comparable to Hashirama's. I'm pretty certain it can be said Sasuke's wasn't as close.

 

[Styles]

So now you are chainging your argument from Naruto simply having more chakra than sasuke =/= strength to Naruto being able to control all this chakra perfectly =/= strength? If so, why do you assert that being able to control all this chakra perfectly =/= strength?

What's your explanation for why Sasuke is so angry that he's wondering how naruto has come so far while clenching his fists? If the only argument you can give is that 'you're arguments aren't necessarily true' then that basically proves you have no argument as no argument should assert a burden of proof of needing to be proven necessarily true.

So you've continuously failed to address the context of Sasuke's statement, and you've also failed to address the rest of the argument which shows that Sasuke's inferiority via feats and by the powers he needs from both Naruto and Juugo in order to fight alongside a Naruto who's spreading his own power across the entire army and still manages to pull far more weight than Sasuke does in the fight.

I didn't change nothing i said the same thing as before more chakra doesn't mean one is stronger Naruto used more chakra and had far more left over was the reason Sasuke said he can control all this chakra perfectly it wasn't because Naruto was stronger jus had far more chakra and controled it with little diff.

so you're basically saying Kisame having more chakra than Itachi doesn't make him stronger, even when the former has the hype of having chakra reserves comparable to a bijuu and having the feats of turning an entire wasteland into a body of water along with well arguably handling Bee. Ok

Having more chakra than someone else does make them stronger. For what other reason was Kid Madara and Hashirama hyped as having more chakra than the adults around them if they weren't stronger?
KM Naruto has been hyped as having chakra reserves comparable to Hashirama's. I'm pretty certain it can be said Sasuke's wasn't as close.

BM/BSM Naruto's chakra was compared to Hashirama's not KCM. Kisame have more chakra but he admited Itachi was stronger by that Chakra doesn't mean stronger and no Madara and Hashirama killed adults not because of chakra they was just far more skilled than the adults they fought

 

[ministerC4]

I disagree with some, but mainly the last.
At the current stage there should be no equal sign, current Naruto stomps current Sasuke :yeah:

 

[lanakui8]

I didn't change nothing i said the same thing as before more chakra doesn't mean one is stronger Naruto used more chakra and had far more left over was the reason Sasuke said he can control all this chakra perfectly it wasn't because Naruto was stronger jus had far more chakra and controled it with little diff.

Yet that's rendered completely false when you take into account the context of the statement and the support of that context via feats and the powers that each used against Juubito.

Not only that, but Sasuke didn't even say Naruto only at that time displayed that he can control more chakra than Sasuke. That means you can't claim that Sasuke was comparing the amount of chakra naruto can control to the amount of chakra sasuke can control without some argument, and it makes more sense that Naruto being able to control that much chakra puts him on another level than sasuke due to sasuke's reactions and everything that happened after.

 

[Styles]

Yet that's rendered completely false when you take into account the context of the statement and the support of that context via feats and the powers that each used against Juubito.

Not only that, but Sasuke didn't even say Naruto only at that time displayed that he can control more chakra than Sasuke. That means you can't claim that Sasuke was comparing the amount of chakra naruto can control to the amount of chakra sasuke can control without some argument, and it makes more sense that Naruto being able to control that much chakra puts him on another level than sasuke due to sasuke's reactions and everything that happened after.

Naruto was about to go full power asked Sasuke if he can keep up.

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Then Naruto took chakra from Minato and gave Sasuke and Juugo chakra to escape the barrier then when he went into BM he made the cloaks come back to the SA. Sasuke says Naruto is using all this chakra.

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Even then he says Naruto is using all that chakra for nothing

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Then he have enough chakra to go BSM avatar again he says Naruto is using all that chakra perfectly.

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More chakra doesn't mean stronger because he have far more than Sasuke but Sasuke matched his avatar when he covered it in PS.

 

[lanakui8]

Naruto was about to go full power asked Sasuke if he can keep up.

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Then Naruto took chakra from Minato and gave Sasuke and Juugo chakra to escape the barrier then when he went into BM he made the cloaks come back to the SA. Sasuke says Naruto is using all this chakra.

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Even then he says Naruto is using all that chakra for nothing

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Then he have enough chakra to go BSM avatar again he says Naruto is using all that chakra perfectly.

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More chakra doesn't mean stronger because he have far more than Sasuke but Sasuke matched his avatar when he covered it in PS.

For the thousandth time, sure, simply having 'more chakra' doesn't mean you are stronger than the next guy, however Sasuke never said anything about Naruto having more chakra than himself, he was simply commenting on the amount of chakra Naruto was using and the skill at which/how naruto was using it and it's blatantly shown because of how much and how well naruto can use that chakra that Sasuke feels significantly inferior to Naruto which is why he gets all mad and states "how far have you come?" just like the last time he felt significantly inferior.

How does Sasuke wrapping his PS around Naruto's BSM avatar = Sasuke matched Naruto's avatar?

 

[Styles]

For the thousandth time, sure, simply having 'more chakra' doesn't mean you are stronger than the next guy, however Sasuke never said anything about Naruto having more chakra than himself, he was simply commenting on the amount of chakra Naruto was using and the skill at which/how naruto was using it and it's blatantly shown because of how much and how well naruto can use that chakra that Sasuke feels significantly inferior to Naruto which is why he gets all mad and states "how far have you come?" just like the last time he felt significantly inferior.
How does Sasuke wrapping his PS around Naruto's BSM avatar = Sasuke matched Naruto's avatar?

Because people said he couldn't make PS without his chakra he didn't have Naruto's cloak when he did it and Sasuke already know Naruto have more chakra than him that's a non factor but he never knew Naruto had that much and used it with casual diff. He was gonna match Naruto's power anyway when he asked if Sasuke could keep up but his avatar didn't work cause Kurama didn't' have any chakra he felt inferior in chakra capacity only.

 

[WalksInShadows]

BM/BSM Naruto's chakra was compared to Hashirama's not KCM. Kisame have more chakra but he admited Itachi was stronger by that Chakra doesn't mean stronger and no Madara and Hashirama killed adults not because of chakra they was just far more skilled than the adults they fought

1.Tell me where Itachi is shown to be stronger than Kisame.

2. You're dead wrong, because Madara said he was stronger than most adults. And he even says it again when he tells Tajima that Hashirama would defeat him because he was the stronger of the 2.

Skill has nothing to do with anything when a comparative statement is solely mentioning someone being stronger than someone else.

 

[Styles]

1.Tell me where Itachi is shown to be stronger than Kisame.

2. You're dead wrong, because Madara said he was stronger than most adults. And he even says it again when he tells Tajima that Hashirama would defeat him because he was the stronger of the 2.

Skill has nothing to do with anything when a comparative statement is solely mentioning someone being stronger than someone else.

Kisame even said Itachi was stronger.

Hashirama always been stronger than Madara whats your point?

Madara was stronger than most adults because of skill he didn't even have sharingan or anything yet.

Skill have everything to do with being stronger wth if someone is just strong without skill the person with skill always wins.

 

[lanakui8]

Because people said he couldn't make PS without his chakra he didn't have Naruto's cloak when he did it and Sasuke already know Naruto have more chakra than him that's a non factor but he never knew Naruto had that much and used it with casual diff.

again, how does that put Sasuke's PS on the same level as BSM Naruto's avatar?

He was gonna match Naruto's power anyway when he asked if Sasuke could keep up but his avatar didn't work cause Kurama didn't' have any chakra he felt inferior in chakra capacity only.

Sasuke didn't even say he could keep up with BM Naruto, in fact he didn't even know what BM Naruto was capable of proven by his awe and astonishment at Naruto's BM showings.

You explicitly stated that Sasuke never thought he had more chakra than naruto, so why in the world would he all of a sudden feel inferior in chakra capacity when Naruto brings out his Kurama avatar if he already knows he's inferior in chakra capacity? Not only this but you just flat out contradicted what you typed earlier as you stated that Sasuke felt inferior in his ability to control all that chakra, not chakra capacity. If simply having more chakra =/= being stronger, why is Sasuke so pissed when Naruto shows he has more chakra than Sasuke?

We can do this all day long, I'll just continue to stomp your arguments over and over again because at the end of the day you're just going in circles and bringing up stuff I already addressed while taking things out of context and ignoring what doesn't suit your agenda. Sasuke couldn't have been talking about chakra capacity since he already knows naruto has way more chakra than himself, he's not talking about simply controlling all that chakra since there's no reason for him to get all pissed if he's still at naruto's level, sasuke needed multiple powers from other people in order to simply fight alongside naruto while naruto spread his chakra across the entire shinobi alliance and naruto still ended up doing much more than sasuke did in the fight.

 

[SuperChief]

SM Naruto > MS Sasuke
KCM Naruto > Current/EMS Sasuke
BM Naruto >>> Current/EMS Sasuke
BSM Naruto >>>> Current/ EMS Sasuke
Current Naruto >>>>> Current Sasuke

 

[King Of Pop]

Naruto showed this in the first chapter. He was above sasuke if you ask me.

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sasuke showed to fodderize narutos clones neg dif in their rooftop encounter, clones dont do shit here.

4t to 6t naruto > every version of sasuke up to rennigan

whateva you are smoking, lay off it

OT. early sasuke still beats any naruto before sm., disagree with some other parts as well.