[Theory] The True Origin of the Rinnegan : Sobojo

[adeshina365]

Sorry Dragonor, but this thread is complete nonsense.

 

[Bronze]

i really dislike this guy with all his butthurt.

you are wrong anyway, i think dragonors theory has a 98% chance of being correct. I have the knack to know when a theory is right.

Says I'm a butthurt, because I disagreed. Says I'm wrong, because my opinion goes against the OP and his. Alright, loser.​

1) One possibility is Uchiha + Senju = Rinnegan. Other one is Ashura + Indra = Rinnegan. And Black Zetsu did pretty much both. Yet, Rinnegan didn't awaken as he constantly failed.

2) Indra had his own Sharingan initially. But what matters is what happened after Hagoromo's Death. It's not far-fetched to say that he took Hagoromo's Rinnegan to compete against Ashura.

3) Izuna is pretty much a connecting link here. It may or may not fit in the Story's timeline.

1- It doesn't make a difference. And the only reason he failed is, because none of them mixed the two blood together.

2- No, because you're denying what Hagoromo said. Actually, it was the opposite: Ashura was the one who needed his friends help to compete against Indra. Indra already unlocked his powers and potential from birth, Ashura was goof and loser, who needed to train with others; and finally the power inside of him bloomed. Hagoromo's body is destroyed, only his Chakra is what's left. Yes, it's far fetched.

3- Izuna is not a connecting link.​

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Alright I understand why madara couldn't revive himself, that wasn't a good point on my part..

However, I still insist that madara couldn't summon the gedo mazo because his rinnegan in the edo tensei was either fake or not the same as hagoromo's or both, for the same reasons I wrote.

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One of the bijuus was suprised that madara summoned the gedo mazo because they thought he was still an edo tensei and that his rinnegan was fake.
You can clearly see the bijuus mentioning the real rinnegan. And that why he was able to summon gedo mazo. Summoning something as specific as the gedo mazo seems kind of weird, because it is something that wasn't there to begin with. Seeing as Hagoromo sealed it himself after he got the rinnegan. It's not like the animal path where it's something that always existed with the rinnegan (as far as we know at least). So as I said I think that the edo tensei rinnegan being fake and that both madara and hagoromo having the same rinnegan makes a lot of sense.
Further more, the fact that Madara was revived by Obito without his real eyes (the real rinnegan) further strengthens that notion. For the same reason I already wrote before.

Also seeing as nothing in the manga contradicts the fact that there can only be one set of real rinnegan, I don't see how this particular theory contradicts the plot.
It might not happen, sure, but it is still based on the plot and the little other plot holes it has (like sasuke having the rinnegan) can be easily solved.
And as for the theory about Izuna, it was just a separate speculation the op made and he managed to connect the two, those two theories don't necessarily have to be correct for only one to be correct. There could be other possibilities that can connect with this particular theory.

I personally am not sure what to think about the Izuna thing. One thing that bothers me the most is that the swirly zetsu was obsessed with what it's like to poop. Which is not something I think Izuna would do, because he was already a human and knew what it's like to poop. LOL
It might sound trivial because it was made for comic relief, but still.

First, before I answer your post, I will reiterate a truth about theories and the manga: Everyone can believe what they want to believe from the manga.

Fake Rinnegan in the case of Edo Tensei means that the Rinnegan is made from madara's spiritual energy and a body made of dust. Thus, if the body disappear, the Rinnegan also disappears. When madara was revived, his dusty body was gone, and thus the edo tensei Rinnegan also disappeared. In that sense, the Rinnegan that Madara had was not something that could be taken from him and be transplanted into someone. If this is what you call it fake, the it was.

However, as far as the power of the Rinnegan was concerned, it was real just as Itachi's edo Tensei MS was real. Madara's Edo Rinnegan power was real as Nagato's edo Rinnegan was real power-wise (jutsu-wise). If Nagato could use all the paths, it means Madara could use all the six paths as Edo Tensei. The only reason Madara couldn't use anything that require life force is because he did not have any.

Now, let not make one mistake that usually come into discussion - that is losing track of the actual topic. Your argument and that of the OP is that the pair of Rinnegan that Madara had before his death, that he gave to Nagato is the same that Hagoromo had. My opinion is that this argument is not true and goes against all the manga facts related to Madara's Rinnegan. In addition, I gave you the fact that Madara unlocked Rinnegan as Edo Tensei based on the hypothesis built by Kabuto and Orochimaru. This fact actually prove that Madara is the one who unlocked Rinnegan when he was alive because the hypothesis was proven right. This destroy the argument that you are bringing saying that Madara's Rinnegan came from Hagoromo etc.

Here, you need to understand that what Kabuto proved is that if Madara was alive, and if Madara had EMS, and he were given Hashirama's clone fused with his own body, Madara would unlock Rinnegan.

 

[CookieMan9000]

First, before I answer your post, I will reiterate a truth about theories and the manga: Everyone can believe what they want to believe from the manga.

Fake Rinnegan in the case of Edo Tensei means that the Rinnegan is made from madara's spiritual energy and a body made of dust. Thus, if the body disappear, the Rinnegan also disappears. When madara was revived, his dusty body was gone, and thus the edo tensei Rinnegan also disappeared. In that sense, the Rinnegan that Madara had was not something that could be taken from him and be transplanted into someone. If this is what you call it fake, the it was.

However, as far as the power of the Rinnegan was concerned, it was real just as Itachi's edo Tensei MS was real. Madara's Edo Rinnegan power was real as Nagato's edo Rinnegan was real power-wise (jutsu-wise). If Nagato could use all the paths, it means Madara could use all the six paths as Edo Tensei. The only reason Madara couldn't use anything that require life force is because he did not have any.

Now, let not make one mistake that usually come into discussion - that is losing track of the actual topic. Your argument and that of the OP is that the pair of Rinnegan that Madara had before his death, that he gave to Nagato is the same that Hagoromo had. My opinion is that this argument is not true and goes against all the manga facts related to Madara's Rinnegan. In addition, I gave you the fact that Madara unlocked Rinnegan as Edo Tensei based on the hypothesis built by Kabuto and Orochimaru. This fact actually prove that Madara is the one who unlocked Rinnegan when he was alive because the hypothesis was proven right. This destroy the argument that you are bringing saying that Madara's Rinnegan came from Hagoromo etc.

Here, you need to understand that what Kabuto proved is that if Madara was alive, and if Madara had EMS, and he were given Hashirama's clone fused with his own body, Madara would unlock Rinnegan.

But still, how do you still explain that the tailed beast clearly said "How can he summon the gedo mazo with a fake rinnegan?".
That heavily implies that the rinnegan madara had living was hagoromo's and while as an edo it was a fake replica.
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Second, madara DID unlock the rinnegan, there's no arguing about that. It's just that as a living person the rinnegan he unlocked is the same rinnegan that Hagoromo had. If I understood correctly what the OP mean't is that while the EMS and lower layers of his eyes were his, the rinnegan layer of his eyes was Hagoromo's.

Now going back to edo tensei. Even though madara unlocked it as an edo tensei, it is heavily implied by the tailed beasts that he couldn't summon the gedo mazo as an edo tensei, despite having the rinnegan (because he was an edo tensei). That most likely means that the rinnegan he had was a mere fake replication. Because as we know edo tensei replicates the abilities and powers, but they're not the same actual powers, just copies. That means in others words that they maybe the same, but they're not linked to the same place.
In other words having a rinnegan as an edo tensei =\ having a rinnegan as a living person.

If you want a real life example. If you learned programming it's kind of like having two objects that have the same qualities but are stored in different memory places. That means that they're linked to different places, so if you change something in one object the other one remains the same.
In Madara's case he happened to get a rinnegan that was linked to the same place as hagoromo's so they were hagormo's, because he could summon the gedo statue,. And the rinnegan he had as an edo tensei, was exactly the same but not linked to hagoromo which is why he couldn't summon the gedo mazo. And OP says that this possibility might imply that there can be only one set of LIVING rinnegan. This is why when madara had the living rinegan he could summon the gedo mazo, because his rinnegan layer was the same as hagoromo's and thus linked to the same place and therefore he could summon the gedo mazo. And again the gedo mazo isn't something that always coexisted with the rinnegan, Hagoromo himself sealed it, so the only way to unseal the gedo mazo was for someone to be linked to hagoromo specifically. In other words, get his rinnegan.


Also I really don't understand your explanation regarding why madara lost his rinnegan when he was revived by Obito. If anything why didn't he still have his spiritual energy, it should have remained.
According to this, why did he retain Hashirama's chest clone (that kabuto put in him as an edo tensei), but specifically not the rinnegan? Doesn't it seem odd?

 

[CookieMan9000]

Umm, did you read my previous posts again ? Anyways, In the manga and according to everyone; there are two ways of awakening Rinnegan.

The First method : Uchiha DNA + Senju DNA = Rinnegan.This is what Madara said leads to awakening of Rinnegan.

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Obito had both Uchiha and Senju DNA; i.e; His own Uchiha DNA and Hashirama Zetsu Clone DNA.

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Yet, he never awakens the Rinnegan. He is forced to use Madara's Rinnegan instead. As, such the validity of Madara's statement is questionable.

The Second method : Ashura Chakra + Indra Chakra = Rinnegan. This is what Hagoromo is implied to say.

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The big question is was Hagoromo even referencing to the Rinnegan ? Nope.

He was referencing to the Shinju's power. If you get Indra and Ashura Chakra; you get close to Hagoromo or to be more specific Kaguya's power.

And we already know that Kaguya was one with the Shinju.

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As, such if you combine Ashura + Indra chakra; you will come close to Kaguya or the Shinju's power. Since Hagoromo was the Shinju's Jichuriki; Hagoromo's power is the Shinju's power.

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Madara even states that he got Hagoromo's power by becoming the Shinju's jinchuriki.

Moving on both Naruto and Sauske got Hagoromo's Power in the form of Sun and Moon Seals.

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But, Naruto never awakened the Rinnegan.

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Sauske did awaken the Rinnegan according to Madara.

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But Hagoromo calls Sauske's Eye which is similar to the Juubi's eye a Sharingan, not Rinnegan.

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As far as I can tell either it is an upgraded version of the Sharingan or it is a completely different eye power altogether.

So, in the end; the validity of this point is either based on Hearsay or is obscure.

Combining both Methods :-

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Black Zetsu does many experiments and is able to fuse Senju DNA and Uchiha DNA as well as Indra Chakra and Ashura Chakra.

Here Black Zetsu stresses on Uchiha, Senju, Indra and Ashura. He was able to fulfill both conditions of the Rinnegan.

Yet, none of these people awakened Rinnegan. Referencing to Black Zetsu's failure every time.

As, such we see that the validity of both methods to awakening Rinnegan is uncertain.

Wait now I'm a bit confused myself.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I understood it is this: Whatever way madara managed to awaken his rinnegan, his rinnegan progressed from EMS to the rinnegan layer that was Hagoromo's?
Also the reason madara had the rinnegan with the edo tensei is because it replicates the abillities he had in real life, and it's not necessarily just because he infused himself with Hashirama's DNA, right?
Somehow he also did it, despite using izanagi.

 

[ROHAN]

Added two more points : 9 and 10. Feel free to share your views.

 

[GamakichiTheUsurper]

Amazing read, as always.


But... wait a minute. I am extremely confused about the Sobojo's eyes thing:

-What has to do the 9-tomoed rinnegan with this? Wouldn't it make more sense if the 9-tomoed rinnegan were the true Sobojo's eyes? And the standard rinnegan (the purple one) a version deribated from the 9-tomoed one whose Sobojo's evil characteristics (such asthe power of casting the Infinite Tsukuyomi) were ripped appart by Hagoromo?

This would explain the rinnegan tatoo in Hagoromo's forehead: Hagoromo wanted to free the world of Sobojo's power, and thus he sealed such power (the tomoe pattern, which represents evil) but kept the concentric circles pattern, which represent benignity.


-How does the transplat issue goes? How can a couple of eyes be sealed within a stone? How were they transplanted from the stone tablet to Izuna? How is it that you came to the conclusion that Izuna had the rinnegan? How was Madara able to obtain the EMS if Izuna had the rinnegan?

 

[ROHAN]

Amazing read, as always.


But... wait a minute. I am extremely confused about the Sobojo's eyes thing:

-1) What has to do the 9-tomoed rinnegan with this? Wouldn't it make more sense if the 9-tomoed rinnegan were the true Sobojo's eyes? And the standard rinnegan (the purple one) a version deribated from the 9-tomoed one whose Sobojo's evil characteristics (such asthe power of casting the Infinite Tsukuyomi) were ripped appart by Hagoromo?

This would explain the rinnegan tatoo in Hagoromo's forehead: Hagoromo wanted to free the world of Sobojo's power, and thus he sealed such power (the tomoe pattern, which represents evil) but kept the concentric circles pattern, which represent benignity.


- 2) How does the transplat issue goes? How can a couple of eyes be sealed within a stone? How were they transplanted from the stone tablet to Izuna? How is it that you came to the conclusion that Izuna had the rinnegan? How was Madara able to obtain the EMS if Izuna had the rinnegan?

1) Actually, The Juubi's eye is a Shraingan according To Hagoromo. I doubt it is connected with Sobojo as far as plot goes. If the Juubi's eye belonged to Sobojo; so many people awakening it would ruin Sobojo's entry. The Juubi's eye is actually a completely different Doujutsu which I did explain in one of my early theories.

2) The Shinju's Fruit is very similar to a sealing stone. So it's possible that the Uchiha Stone Tablet could seal Sobojo's eyes and only a Sharingan could break it. The Ems came from Izuna's MS and Madara's MS which Madara had my default. Once he takes Sobojo's Rinnegan; he is able to switch between his EMS and Rinnegan.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

1. Bold: Irrespective of my Theory, it really doesn't make sense how Hagoromo obtained the Rinnegan. If he obtained the Rinnegan from birth then why didn't Hamura also obtain it ? If he did get it by birth; he would have far surpassed Hamura in terms of power and this would have led to conflict and not co-operation between the two.

2. I also don't think that either Kaguya and the Shinju are the origin of the Rinnegan. At the most, I could say that the Rinnegan orignated from the Shinju's Fruit.

Just came by to relax. Sorry, I had to number your text to make my answer clear:

1. I will answer this question by analogy. Indra obtained his power by birth (Sharingan or whatever), yet Ashura did not have dojutsu according to story. So, though I think Hagoromo did not obtained Rinnegan by birth, I also think your argument is not valid, and cannot counter this possibility. You can also answer why Hamura had Byakugan which is proven to be obtained by birth while Hagoromo seems not to have it.

2. I think Sharingan came from Shinju, but Rinnegan (hagoromo's) is not from Shinju. This is my opinion. I think the only thing that can result in hagoromo's Rinnegan is a higher understanding of nature, living being, etc. Basically, I think Rinnegan is more connected to Sage mode than to Shinju. In fact, as soon as Naruto got an upgrade of sage mode, he could heal kakashi's eye which in my opinion is more closed to hagoromo's Rinnegan power than Sasuke seeing Limbo. Also, Hagoromo is called the sage of the six paths. We could speculate that he actually have the sage mode that control the six paths, which are the power of his Rinnegan. I also still see how Naruto has the Rinnegan symbol on his cloak, and how Sasuke's Rinnegan is not showing any traits of hagoromo's. I can even add the fact that Kaguya's third eye is not showing any trait of hagoromo's Rinnegan as well. This tells me that hagoromo's Rinnegan may have nothing to do with Shinju.

Basically, as legend, what strike the most in Hagoromo's story is his title of sage. he is the Sage of The Six Paths. Could it be that it simply means his sage mode controls the six paths?

Firstly, I do believe that Edos have Life force. The idea that Life Force = Chakra originated from this member's theory :-

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Even if you think it doesn't make sense, you can't deny the fact that Life-Force and Chakra in the end are "Energy" and Energy can always be converted to another form of energy.

The Edos have Life-Force in the form of their souls.

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And don't forget the Edo's Sacrificial body with it's own Chakra networks, Blood, etc which could be used by the Edo to supply Chakra.

A) So, why didn't Madara use Rinne-Tensei on himself ? The explanation according to the manga is that Madara had Fake Rinnegan and Rinne Tensei and Gedo-Mazou Summoning require the Real Rinnegan (Interestingly, both the Techniques are Outer-Path Techniques, not the Six Realms techniques which could be used by Fake Rinnegan).

B) Why Madara needs a real body then ? If Madara had Life-Force, then why go after a Real body via Rinne-Tensei ? In order for Madara to house the Real Rinnegan; he needed a real and alive body. The Real Rinnegan is not compatible with an Edo Body. (Once again showing that the Rinnegan is a special power).

Both the points are complimentary to each other, it shows that Madara as an Edo was not able to cast Rinne-Tensei on himself, nor was his Rinnegan compatible with his Edo Body. As such, he needed Obito with the Real Rinnegan to revive him.

About the Jinchuriki thing : Minato, even as an Edo was the Yang Kuruma's Jinchuriki.

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I disagree with this. A dead person cannot have life force because he cannot have body cell. The chakra the edo use are part of the Jutsu, and we don't know the technicalities of that Jutsus. Besides, remember that a body is sacrificed, and in Madara's case, his soul was attached to Hashirama's clone to make him stronger. We even learn that Madara was weak when he was edo tensei than when he is alive.

 

[ROHAN]

I disagree with this. A dead person cannot have life force because he cannot have body cell. The chakra the edo use are part of the Jutsu, and we don't know the technicalities of that Jutsus. Besides, remember that a body is sacrificed, and in Madara's case, his soul was attached to Hashirama's clone to make him stronger. We even learn that Madara was weak when he was edo tensei than when he is alive.

But what about the Sacrificial body ? Shouldn't an Edo be able to use it ? Actually I think that Kabuto was only able to stick Hashi DNA on to Madara because of the sacrificial body. As, such Edos can use Life-Force via thier Sacrificial bodies.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

But what about the Sacrificial body ? Shouldn't an Edo be able to use it ? Actually I think that Kabuto was only able to stick Hashi DNA on to Madara because of the sacrificial body. As, such Edos can use Life-Force via thier Sacrificial bodies.

The problem is that the body is turn into dust. Even when they are hit, we can see that the hit portion is replaced by dust. Also, there are some actual meaning to the jutsus - such as rituals. A ritual is used to summon the dead, which is almost some real witchcraft or divination methods for those who knows what I am talking about. The point here is Naruto series incorporate actual spiritual practices spoken of in my own tradition (e.g., puppet curse seal, edo tensei rituals, etc.). For these, Kishi does not give explanation because he may not know them, or because he does not want to.

 

[ROHAN]

The problem is that the body is turn into dust. Even when they are hit, we can see that the hit portion is replaced by dust. Also, there are some actual meaning to the jutsus - such as rituals. A ritual is used to summon the dead, which is almost some real witchcraft or divination methods for those who knows what I am talking about. The point here is Naruto series incorporate actual spiritual practices spoken of in my own tradition (e.g., puppet curse seal, edo tensei rituals, etc.). For these, Kishi does not give explanation because he may not know them, or because he does not want to.

Actually The Edo body does not only consist of Dust. It also consists of the Sacrificial body. Even when the Edo is destroyed; the Sacrificial body also reconstructs with the Edo. (Itachi's Edo body was destroyed by Kabuto multiple times; but once Edo Tensei is cancelled; we see that the Sacrificial body is also intact showing no damage from the battle).

The reason is because; the Edo cannot use Chakra without the Sacrificial body.

Take Sasori for example. His body was an puppet and as such artificial. Yet, he needed his Heart; a living part in order to use Chakra. The moment the heart died; Sasori also died; because he was no longer able to use Chakra.

The same way; in order for Edos to use Chakra; they must use the Chakra networks and Heart of the Sacrificial body. As such, an Edo without a sacrificial body cannot use Chakra. Given; the sacrifice is dead by the time Edo Tensei is casted; this can be explained since the Edo's Soul enters the sacrificial body; all organs of the sacrifice get revived and start working again.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Actually The Edo body does not only consist of Dust. It also consists of the Sacrificial body. Even when the Edo is destroyed; the Sacrificial body also reconstructs with the Edo. (Itachi's Edo body was destroyed by Kabuto multiple times; but once Edo Tensei is cancelled; we see that the Sacrificial body is also intact showing no damage from the battle).

The reason is because; the Edo cannot use Chakra without the Sacrificial body.

Take Sasori for example. His body was an puppet and as such artificial. Yet, he needed his Heart; a living part in order to use Chakra. The moment the heart died; Sasori also died; because he was no longer able to use Chakra.

The same way; in order for Edos to use Chakra; they must use the Chakra networks and Heart of the Sacrificial body. As such, an Edo without a sacrificial body cannot use Chakra. Given; the sacrifice is dead by the time Edo Tensei is casted; this can be explained since the Edo's Soul enters the sacrificial body; all organs of the sacrifice get revived and start working again.

Still, that sacrificial body is not theirs, and the way they are using it network is part of the technicalities of the Jutsu. As far as the person summoned is concerned, he has no life force, and this is my point here. Everything else around that make them spam their Justsu is part of the edo tensei jutsu. In fact, I bet you agree with me that most of the sacrificial body are fodders and cannot have infinite life force, yet the edo people can spam Jutsus all year long.

 

[AlexM123]

It was a good read but it is too far-fetched and you went off the rail by including Izuna. Also The reason wh Madara lost his rinnegan when he was revived was because he died without them AND they still existed separately from him Edo Tensei brings you back as you were when you died. As for being unable to summon the gedo mazo, the most appropriate thing to say is that he couldn't summon it with inauthentic rinnegan. He needed his true eyes to summon it. Lastly, Sasuke and Kaguya have different rinnegans so i think its safe to say there is more than one pair. Even Madara's rinnegan is separate/different than Hagoromo's

 

[GamakichiTheUsurper]

1) Actually, The Juubi's eye is a Shraingan according To Hagoromo. I doubt it is connected with Sobojo as far as plot goes. If the Juubi's eye belonged to Sobojo; so many people awakening it would ruin Sobojo's entry. The Juubi's eye is actually a completely different Doujutsu which I did explain in one of my early theories.

2) The Shinju's Fruit is very similar to a sealing stone. So it's possible that the Uchiha Stone Tablet could seal Sobojo's eyes and only a Sharingan could break it. The Ems came from Izuna's MS and Madara's MS which Madara had my default. Once he takes Sobojo's Rinnegan; he is able to switch between his EMS and Rinnegan.

Well... in regards to the first point, Hagoromo said that it was the Sharingan's power, not a Sharingan. Namely, the Sharingan can cast genjutsu, and so did Kaguya, but with the Third Eye.

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[ROHAN]

Still, that sacrificial body is not theirs, and the way they are using it network is part of the technicalities of the Jutsu. As far as the person summoned is concerned, he has no life force, and this is my point here. Everything else around that make them spam their Justsu is part of the edo tensei jutsu. In fact, I bet you agree with me that most of the sacrificial body are fodders and cannot have infinite life force, yet the edo people can spam Jutsus all year long.

As, this is going off-topic; I would suggest that you make a new thread about this matter so that we can discuss it.

Well... in regards to the first point, Hagoromo said that it was the Sharingan's power, not a Sharingan. Namely, the Sharingan can cast genjutsu, and so did Kaguya, but with the Third Eye.

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Well, If the Juubi's eye is using the Sharingan's power; then it should be by default a Sharingan. Tskyumoni is a Mangekyo Sharingan technique and it has never been stated that it could be used by a Rinnegan. Infinite Tskyumoni is pretty much a larger scale of Tskyumoni. But, then again; Madara was able to use Susanoo; a Mangekyo Sharingan Technique with his Rinnegan.

As far as I can tell; I would say the Juubi's eye is a completely different Doujutsu and both the Sharingan and Sobojo's Rinnegan originated from it. The only difference here is that only one pair of Rinnegan exists (Of Sobojo); while there could be many pairs of Sharingans existing at the same time. Sharingan being inferior as such many pairs while Rinnegan being ultimate as such only one pair.

I did make a theory on the Juubi's eye; but since that is a completely different topic; I wouldn't discuss it here.

 

[adeshina365]

Well, If the Juubi's eye is using the Sharingan's power; then it should be by default a Sharingan.

LMAO. Sasuke's Rinnegan can use Amaterasu, does that make it a Sharingan?

 

[ROHAN]

LMAO. Sasuke's Rinnegan can use Amaterasu, does that make it a Sharingan?

I completely forgot about that. Still considering that Hagoromo called it a Sharingan and Madara called it a Rinnegan; and that the Juubi's eye has the features of both Sharingan and Rinnegan; I would say that It is a completely different Doujutsu and the Sharingan and Rinnegan originated from this Doujutsu.

P.S: The Juubi's eye also has the features of the Byakugan also. The round eye on which the Commas and Circles are placed is similar to the Byakugan.

 

[GamakichiTheUsurper]

As far as I can tell; I would say the Juubi's eye is a completely different Doujutsu and both the Sharingan and Sobojo's Rinnegan originated from it.

Mmm... OK, now it makes more sense

I will read your thread about the Juubi's eye, since, as you can imagine, I am really interested in that matter.


PS: I am going to make a thread about the Rinnegan at some time not very far from now, but currently, I am bussy making a theory about the Chakra, the Yin-Yang, the Natural Energy...