Without Zetsu aspect of IT Madara would have been a hero

[Sageof7Path]

Madara didn't know about the Zetsu aspect and we're talking if that aspect did not exist. They can live forever connected to the tree like Madara did. So procreation is unneeded as it purpose is to keep a species from dying out. Besides the ninja system is crap, you can live forever in happiness and there would be no more conflict.

Procreation is needed because people want to raise and love actual kids. Not a lot of people to live on earth forever and I'm sure no one wants to live in a false reality. That's all the concept of IT is a false reality. Pain isn't why life is about but for a lot of people it's just something to over come. It's something that makes people stronger. I think you're missing the theme of Naruto. Understanding is the best way to resolve conflict. There's a whole history of former dictators who have tried to solve problems by attempting I force people to obey their system and it ended the same way innocent people being murdered and wars. Notice that in Madaras plan a lot of people lost their lives and a lot of people had to suffer.

 

[jimbobbity]

Procreation is needed because people want to raise and love actual kids. Not a lot of people to live on earth forever and I'm sure no one wants to live in a false reality. That's all the concept of IT is a false reality. Pain isn't why life is about but for a lot of people it's just something to over come. It's something that makes people stronger. I think you're missing the theme of Naruto. Understanding is the best way to resolve conflict. There's a whole history of former dictators who have tried to solve problems by attempting I force people to obey their system and it ended the same way innocent people being murdered and wars. Notice that in Madaras plan a lot of people lost their lives and a lot of people had to suffer.

IT creates a perfect world. If they want a world of pain, so be it. If they want a world of love, love is what they'll get. It creates a perfect world in the eyes of the person who's in it.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Procreation is needed because people want to raise and love actual kids. Not a lot of people to live on earth forever and I'm sure no one wants to live in a false reality. That's all the concept of IT is a false reality. Pain isn't why life is about but for a lot of people it's just something to over come. It's something that makes people stronger. I think you're missing the theme of Naruto. Understanding is the best way to resolve conflict. There's a whole history of former dictators who have tried to solve problems by attempting I force people to obey their system and it ended the same way innocent people being murdered and wars. Notice that in Madaras plan a lot of people lost their lives and a lot of people had to suffer.

I think you don't see how crappy the world truly is. Do you know what shit goes on in third world countries? The Narutoverse is worse. They will get that happiness in IT. Madara could have revived dead and Juubi's chakra is planetary scale so he wouldn't die from it.

 

[Sageof7Path]

I think you don't see realize crappy the world truly is. Do you know what shit goes on in third world countries? The Narutoverse is worse. They will get that happiness in IT. Madara could have revived dead and Juubi's chakra is planetary scale so he wouldn't die from it.

Actually I do know what goes on in third world countries and if you want to apply this situation to real life then please don't say that the Naruto verse is in any way worse than what goes on in the actual world we all live in. Keep in mind most third world countries are terrorized by soldiers who are commanded by an aspiring dictator. The same person that wants to control everything and make people follow his system is the one causing all of the term oil. If that same dictator where to let people chose for themselves there would be way less conflict in these nations. The same thing can be said about Madara. If he would have let people live their lives and not have tried I trap everyone in a fake world most of the people who have suffered would not have suffered.

 

[Sageof7Path]

IT creates a perfect world. If they want a world of pain, so be it. If they want a world of love, love is what they'll get. It creates a perfect world in the eyes of the person who's in it.

How can you have a world of love when you can't even interact with real people? You can only imagine fake scenarios with illusions of people who actually do existed outside of your mind... That's not love.

 

[jimbobbity]

How can you have a world of love when you can't even interact with real people? You can only imagine fake scenarios with illusions of people who actually do existed outside of your mind... That's not love.

The thing is that in your heart it would feel like love. Im sure we've all had those dreams that felt so real that we've wanted to go back to.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Yea, madara is one of those villains where his plan is like... "wait a minute... This guy's plan makes more sense than the good guys... Is he even really bad?"

TBH, If madara/obito never killed anyone, they would be in the same standing as naruto. The only reason they're "bad" is because they've killed people and kishi wants to make you believe they're bad. But, when you think about it all, the guys are striving for a plan that will make everyone happy, and it's not just some idea, it's something they can do... Madara's one of the few villains I can actually agree with (would agree with obito too if he wasn't constantly bching about some chick from 15 years ago).

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Actually I do know what goes on in third world countries and if you want to apply this situation to real life then please don't say that the Naruto verse is in any way worse than what goes on in the actual world we all live in. Keep in mind most third world countries are terrorized by soldiers who are commanded by an aspiring dictator. The same person that wants to control everything and make people follow his system is the one causing all of the term oil. If that same dictator where to let people chose for themselves there would be way less conflict in these nations. The same thing can be said about Madara. If he would have let people live their lives and not have tried I trap everyone in a fake world most of the people who have suffered would not have suffered.

Narutoverse has kids getting trained to be killers and they get killed in battle. People killing other people for being different(Haku). Then there is the bloody mist... The Narutoverse is very similar to a third world country. This is the world you guys are supporting?

 

[Sageof7Path]

Narutoverse has kids getting trained to be killers and they get killed in battle. People killing other people for being different(Haku). Then there is the bloody mist... The Narutoverse is very similar to a third world country. This is the world you guys are supporting?

And you think we don't have the same issues with kids being trained to be killers? Have you ever been to Africa the only difference between these kids and the kids in Naruto are that these kids are taken from their families not by choice and turned into soldiers. You said The Naruto verse was worse... Don't switch it up now. No one supports that kind of thing but I don't support people forcing anyone into anything including a false reality which took the deaths and torment of soldiers and innocent people to carry out.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

And you think we don't have the same issues with kids being trained to be killers? Have you ever been to Africa the only difference between these kids and the kids in Naruto are that these kids are taken from their families not by choice and turned into soldiers. You said The Naruto verse was worse... Don't switch it up now. No one supports that kind of thing but I don't support people forcing anyone into anything including a false reality which took the deaths and torment of soldiers and innocent people to carry out.

The Narutoverse is African third world country bad. If not worse.

-Child soldiers.

-Killing or shunning people from being different(Haku and the jins)

-Slavery is legal(Hyuuga clan)

-Bloody Mist

-Murder religions(Hidan)

-Blood thirsty clans(Kaguya clan)

-People dying from disease(Kimmario)

-Constant wars

-Giant monsters that can destroy mountains

Again, Madara could bring all the dead back to life.