[Discussion] Crocodile against Doflamingo officers

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This is pretimeskip Crocodile. He faces Doflamingo's officers

Assume they can somehow touch him(either have haki or liquid)

1- Sugar
2- Viola
3- Jora
4- Baby 5
5- Senor Pink
6- Bufallo
7- Machwise
8- Monet
9- Dellinger
10- Lao G
11- Gladius

He heals after each fight. Who does the overrated Crocodile defeat in your opinion and who defeats him?

My opinion?

He defeats Bufallo, Machwise and maybe Baby 5 and Viola. Loses to the rest
I decided to give him the benefit of doubt
 
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Still butthurt from realizing that Crocodile is stronger than Pica? He beats all of them, Doflamingo's crew is pretty disappointing from a combat standpoint. Only baby 5 is cool and vergo.
 
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Still butthurt from realizing that Crocodile is stronger than Pica?
No he isn't and it's not even debatable when alabasta gearless Luffy stomped him with physical speed alone. Officers alone are above some vice-admirals, let alone elite officers. We're in the new world and opponents are faster. Dwarves for example move faster than normal eyes can see, yet they are slow compared to officers. Crocodile is a weaklink compared to them just beloved and overhyped because he is badass
 

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Stops @ Monet. Where is Ceasar Law and Vergo?
I said officers, not elite officers, so they are obviously not included. I didn't included Caesar because he is only a joined subordinate without official rank

Still butthurt from realizing that Crocodile is stronger than Pica? He beats all of them, Doflamingo's crew is pretty disappointing from a combat standpoint. Only baby 5 is cool and vergo.
Dellinger stomped a great majority of new world colloseum fighters. Same goes for Machwise and the other officers. You realise officers are mid vice-admiral levels right? Lucci wasn't even vice-admiral level pre-skip, let alone Crocodile
 
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From what we've seen, they all lose. Monet is arguable since Croco could suck out the moisture in snow walls and attacks, nullifying them. He absorbed water completely, and snow is just semi-frozen water, so he could probably suck up all her snow and, well, her.

The others just haven't shown enough to be able to defeat him.
 

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From what we've seen, they all lose. Monet is arguable since Croco could suck out the moisture in snow walls and attacks, nullifying them. He absorbed water completely, and snow is just semi-frozen water, so he could probably suck up all her snow and, well, her.

The others just haven't shown enough to be able to defeat him.
Crocodile is too slow to do anything. How is all those abilities helping when your opponent is faster than you? Sugar could blitz a large group of dwarfs(who move faster than eye can see) in the blink of an eye turning them to toy. Same thing will happen with Crocodile. Lao G could put his glasses, and kick one of them away when it was inches away from his head. Gladius could blitz them as well as thunder soldier. Monet can move faster than soru users. On the other side, Crocodile gets blitzed by Alabasta gearless Luffy
 

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Bogard, can you actually explain how each one of them defeats him? Can you break it down for each one showing an irrefutable scenario where Croco loses to the ones you said he would to?

Edit: Too slow? He was capable of intercepting and stopping attacks from Doflamingo and Mihawk with one arm. The man held his own in the war of the best. You're underrating Crocodile because of one fight with Luffy that Luffy only won due to luck and Robin's intervention.
 
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Bogard, can you actually explain how each one of them defeats him? Can you break it down for each one showing an irrefutable scenario where Croco loses to the ones you said he would to?

Edit: Too slow? He was capable of intercepting and stopping attacks from Doflamingo and Mihawk with one arm. The man held his own in the war of the best. You're underrating Crocodile because of one fight with Luffy that Luffy only won due to luck and Robin's intervention.
Interception feats are hardly relevant. He wasn't actually tested in direct combat. No to mention it's actually Doflamingo and Mihawk who blocked him, not the way around. Doesn't matter if Luffy got helped. The fact remain that alabasta gearless Luffy was faster than him, so he shouldn't compete with mid vice-admiral level fighters like the officers
 

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Interception feats are hardly relevant. He wasn't actually tested in direct combat. No to mention it's actually Doflamingo and Mihawk who blocked him, not the way around. Doesn't matter if Luffy got helped. The fact remain that alabasta gearless Luffy was faster than him, so he shouldn't compete with mid vice-admiral level fighters like the officers
Check your facts again.
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Crocodile was fast enough to intercept a blow from the world's strongest swordsman.

His strength and durability is sufficient enough to match a blow with Doffy, their superior, and shrug off an attack from Daz Bones. Tell me, how do THEY harm Crocodile enough to put him down? What good is being able to hit your opponent if you can't harm them? The only one that could do any kind of damage to Crocodile is Sugar, the rest gets dried up or blown away with Sables.

Crocodile left the war with one injury, but he's overhyped. Okay.
 

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Check your facts again.
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Crocodile was fast enough to intercept a blow from the world's strongest swordsman.

His strength and durability is sufficient enough to match a blow with Doffy, their superior, and shrug off an attack from Daz Bones. Tell me, how do THEY harm Crocodile enough to put him down? What good is being able to hit your opponent if you can't harm them? The only one that could do any kind of damage to Crocodile is Sugar, the rest gets dried up or blown away with Sables.

Crocodile left the war with one injury, but he's overhyped. Okay.
Once again interception feat isn't relevant. Fodder okamas could intervene to save Luffy. Daz bones could intercept a flying slash. Crocodile had no direct confrontation with someone relevant because he was fodder during that war. He was just an annoying bastard going everywhere and no one cared about. Anime isn't relevant. In the manga, it's Mihawk who blocks Crocodile not the way around. Look at your page again and you'll realise Mihawk saw Crocodile coming beforehand(bottom right panel) and blocked sideway

And match Doffy? Where did you see that? All what i saw was Doffy casually blocking his hook. Crocodile wold have been long dead if Doffy was serious and not wanting him to become his ally instead

It's easy to leave a war without much injuries when you fight no one relevant. The second someone relevant came in(Joz), he had to be save by Doffy
 
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Anime isn't relevant. In the manga, it's Mihawk who blocks Crocodile not the way around. Look at your page again and you'll realise Mihawk saw Crocodile coming beforehand(bottom right panel) and blocked sideway

And match Doffy? Where did you see that? All what i saw was Doffy casually blocking his hook. Crocodile wold have been long dead if Doffy was serious and not wanting him to become his ally instead

It's easy to leave a war without much injuries when you fight no one relevant. The second someone relevant came in(Joz), he had to be save by Doffy
1. Uh no. I could just as easily say Mihawk saw him coming, but was swinging already, and Crocodile simply blocked the swing that way. You can't tell what sequence of movements happen from the manga alone sometimes, and this is one of those times. How do we know Crocodile didn't block the swing by striking the blunt side of the sword with his hook? How do we know that Mihawk didn't block a swing from Croco with the blunt side of his sword?

2. You still haven't shown how any of those guys, aside from Sugar, can hurt the man who blocked a slash from Mihawk and Jozu. I have no idea why I said Daz Bones in that last post. Crocodile went up against Doflamingo, Jozu, and Akainu and managed to escape without serious injuries. Laying low my ass. And who said Doffy saved Crocodile? How do you know Crocodile couldn't have countered Jozu?
 

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1. Uh no. I could just as easily say Mihawk saw him coming, but was swinging already, and Crocodile simply blocked the swing that way. You can't tell what sequence of movements happen from the manga alone sometimes, and this is one of those times. How do we know Crocodile didn't block the swing by striking the blunt side of the sword with his hook? How do we know that Mihawk didn't block a swing from Croco with the blunt side of his sword?

2. You still haven't shown how any of those guys, aside from Sugar, can hurt the man who blocked a slash from Mihawk and Jozu. I have no idea why I said Daz Bones in that last post. Crocodile went up against Doflamingo, Jozu, and Akainu and managed to escape without serious injuries. Laying low my ass. And who said Doffy saved Crocodile? How do you know Crocodile couldn't have countered Jozu?
Because of the direction of Crocodile's hook going backwards(sees the lines). Mihawk is the one who blocked him, not the way around. Not that it matters though considering like i've said interceptions feats aren't relevant. We've seen fodder okamas or daz bones intercepting Mihawk's flying slash by coming out of nowhere. Crocodile had no direct confrontations with someone relevant. He was just an annoying bastard flying everywhere but that no one cared about

And are you seriously questioning how they hurt Crocodile? Dellinger can kick thousand tones Machwise and hurt him. Machwise with his fruit upgrading his weight up to these thousand tones can destroy him if hits. Gladius can create large explosions upon contact. Senor Pink could damage post-skip cyborg Franky, same goes for Baby5 and so on and so on. On the otherside, alabasta gearless Luffy could KO Crocodile with a storm. Just accept Crocodile doesn't compete
 

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Because of the direction of Crocodile's hook going backwards(sees the lines). Mihawk is the one who blocked him, not the way around. Not that it matters though considering like i've said interceptions feats aren't relevant. We've seen fodder okamas or daz bones intercepting Mihawk's flying slash by coming out of nowhere. Crocodile had no direct confrontations with someone relevant. He was just an annoying bastard flying everywhere but that no one cared about

And are you seriously questioning how they hurt Crocodile? Dellinger can kick thousand tones Machwise and hurt him. Machwise with his fruit upgrading his weight up to these thousand tones can destroy him if hits. Gladius can create large explosions upon contact. Senor Pink could damage post-skip cyborg Franky, same goes for Baby5 and so on and so on. On the otherside, alabasta gearless Luffy could KO Crocodile with a storm. Just accept Crocodile doesn't compete
What lines? The impact bubble that doesn't indicate direction is the only thing there.

Machvise increased his weight, this doesn't make him any more durable. 300 pounds, 600 pounds, 1200 pounds, Dellinger's hit would have hurt him all the same. He's still flesh, and therefore, still susceptible to sharp things like Dellinger's weapons.

Blow up what? What's he gonna blow up that will harm Crocodile? Not only that, but Crocodile took Impel Down's heat with no discomfort and didn't flinch in the baptizing. Transforming into sand negates the blunt force of any explosions that Gladius hits him with, and he can ignore the heat. Even if Gladius blows up Croco while he's in a sand state, Croco would just reform from the scattered sand. Haki doesn't help since Gladius can't embed the explosion with Haki, and water would be meaningless since he can't blow up flesh, which Croco would remain while wet. There's nothing Gladius can do to Croco.

Senor Pink goes into the ground to swim, Croco floats into the air, Senor Pink comes out, misses his suplex grab, Barchan dries him up. Or, Crocodile just destroys the ground while Pink is in it, exposing him, and giving him the chance to hit him with Barchan or Espada.

Dellinger launches himself at Croc, gets caught in Croc's sand body, boom, dried up and suffocated Dellinger.

Machvise tries to land on Crocodile, Crocodile skewers him with Espada, or dries him with Barchan, or simply turns into sand. Either way, Machvise isn't hurting Crocodile.
 

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This is pretimeskip Crocodile. He faces Doflamingo's officers

Assume they can somehow touch him(either have haki or liquid)

1- Sugar
2- Viola
3- Jora
4- Baby 5
5- Senor Pink
6- Bufallo
7- Machwise
8- Monet
9- Dellinger
10- Lao G
11- Gladius
He beats Sugar.
And Voila.
And Jora.
Ties with Baby 5.
Beats Senor Pink... probably.
He probably beats Buffallo as well.
Not sure against Machvise.

After that he loses.
 

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Considering that all members are from new world. I think some members already demonstrete usage of haki.. Mostly of them should be able to beat Crocodile (pre time skip).

And yes, Crocodile is weaker than any commander.
 

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Why do you take away the logia power of a logia ?

It's one of his powers that he can't be hit, that is part of why he is that strong.

It's like saying Sugar can still use her toy fruit, but her hands are tied behind her back.
 
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