[Discussion] Crocodile and Enel double standards?

[ultraChalk]

Enel learned of the moon people's technology. All of the blue sea's technology originated from the moon. Knowing Enel, he'll probably be like "All technology came from the moon. I am god of the moon! All technology belongs to me!!" He'll come down from the moon on his arc and will try to "take back" "his" technology. With his lightning, he could probably deactivate, reactivate and control pacifistas. The moon people also probably told Enel about Dr. Vegapunk and Enel might go after him too in order to make Vegapunk his servant. The WG will definately try to silence Enel and may send Kizaru after him. With the lightning fast Eenl high in the sky on his arc, they need someone who is also fast and can fly to get to him. Kizaru is the perfect one for the job.

I would like if this happened. But he should fight on his own not with Pacifistas and should really give Kizaru a good fight

 

[Dr Strangelove]

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I was thinking this myself, completely agree bro.

 

[silmarill]

Enel had nothing to train for on Skypeia. The fact that he stayed in shape showed that he did train. Look at people who actually slacked off their training, like Moriah. He got all fat and sluggish, while Enel was muscular, had superior strength to musclehead Zoro and could do backflips like no one's business. Enel obviously trained, and there's not much to do on the Moon, it's not like him training is farfetched. Your question wasn't "Why is it okay to assume Croco has new powers", it was why people do it for Croco and not Enel, and that was my answer. A new question doesn't discredit my answer to your previous question.



Imaginary abilities? Like what? The Logia living in the New World isn't gonna bother to learn Haki? Croco not learning Haki is less likely than him learning it.

Crocoboy had previously already visited and lived in the New World. As could be seen by his statement when he was reading the newspaper and said something among the lines"its time to go the good old New World"
He should have learned Haki before going there according to you.
My guess is he just is not as talented as everyone makes him out to be , that's why he went back to the easy half of the Grand Line

 

[VongolaX]

Does it really matter?

He did fine fighting Haki users in the marineford, without Haki.

Look at what he did to Jozu, he even clashed with Doflamingo and nothing happened to him.

What Haki person did Enel fight?

No one

 

[WolfHaley]

Crocoboy had previously already visited and lived in the New World. As could be seen by his statement when he was reading the newspaper and said something among the lines"its time to go the good old New World"
He should have learned Haki before going there according to you.
My guess is he just is not as talented as everyone makes him out to be , that's why he went back to the easy half of the Grand Line

Who knows, maybe he does know Haki but Oda just hasn't presented it to him yet. Croco, went to the New World to become PK. When he abandoned his dream, he probably just didn't see any reason to stay. Besides, we don't know that much about his past yet.

 

[ultraChalk]

Does it really matter?

He did fine fighting Haki users in the marineford, without Haki.

Look at what he did to Jozu, he even clashed with Doflamingo and nothing happened to him.

What Haki person did Enel fight?

No one

Luffy was Enels haki.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Who knows, maybe he does know Haki but Oda just hasn't presented it to him yet. Croco, went to the New World to become PK. When he abandoned his dream, he probably just didn't see any reason to stay. Besides, we don't know that much about his past yet.

Crocodile got destroyed and humiliated numerous times in his first run in the New World. He got turned into a man by Ivankov, got crushed by Whitebeard and recieved that huge scar on his face. Completely out of his league, his dreams were crushed(to be more accurate, he lost his confidence) and he return to "paradise." He developed a "If I can't have it then no one can" mentality. The world pushed him down so he'll get even by pushing the world down. Croc had no grudge against Alabasta, but they were still apart of "the world" and the world is his enemy. He wanted to bring despair to Alabasta and wanted Pluton to brind despair to the world. Losing to Luffy was the last straw. Croc completely lost all his confidence and pride and accepted capture by the marines. He was content with living the rest of his days rotting in Impel Down.

Hearing of the Whitebeard War re-lit the fire within him. His ambition and pride was rekindled and he set off for Marineford. The chance of killing WB gave him hope. After the Marineford War, Croc's confidence, pride and ambition was fully restored. He went into the war of the best, fought the best, walked away with minor injures and is at the doorstep of a turbulent new era. With a big confident smile, Croc said "I'm heading back to the New World."

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Probably because:

1. Croco held his own at MF
2. Enel was kind of a b*tch
3. Croco is more than likely to learn Haki than Enel on the Moon
4. Croco defeated Luffy twice and Luffy only won because of luck, while Luffy was clearly stronger than Enel in terms of combat, speed and defense, while Enel just had a powerful ability

This .......

 

[WolfHaley]

Crocodile got destroyed and humiliated numerous times in his first run in the New World. He got turned into a man by Ivankov, got crushed by Whitebeard and recieved that huge scar on his face. Completely out of his league, his dreams were crushed(to be more accurate, he lost his confidence) and he return to "paradise." He developed a "If I can't have it then no one can" mentality. The world pushed him down so he'll get even by pushing the world down. Croc had no grudge against Alabasta, but they were still apart of "the world" and the world is his enemy. He wanted to bring despair to Alabasta and wanted Pluton to brind despair to the world. Losing to Luffy was the last straw. Croc completely lost all his confidence and pride and accepted capture by the marines. He was content with living the rest of his days rotting in Impel Down.

Hearing of the Whitebeard War re-lit the fire within him. His ambition and pride was rekindled and he set off for Marineford. The chance of killing WB gave him hope. After the Marineford War, Croc's confidence, pride and ambition was fully restored. He went into the war of the best, fought the best, walked away with minor injures and is at the doorstep of a turbulent new era. With a big confident smile, Croc said "I'm heading back to the New World."

None of that discredits anything I said. Croco got his shit crushed, and abandoned the New World. That's what I said, just because you went into more detail by taking bits and pieces of that OP literary analysis and adding it to your post doesn't mean you proved anything I said wrong.

Croco could have known Haki while there, but it was weak, and he got trashed and left back to the Paradise.

 

[Jin]

Enel was way too inferior when he faced Luffy, be it strength, battle strategy, intelligence ...
Croc, on the contrary, was superior to Luffy in every aspect. He even defeated Luffy twice, and if Luffy wouldn't have discovered his weakness, then it would be the end for him.
Enel's DF was way too OP, but just that, nothing more.
Croc's DF wasn't that OP compared to the other logia, but Croc stated himself that he had trained hard, so making him DF stronger through training.
And do you really think Croc would survive in the NW without Haki Lol ?
I think he will have an epic comeback, being on par with some of the most powerful Haki and DF users in One Piece !

 

[WolfHaley]

Enel was way too inferior when he faced Luffy, be it strength, battle strategy, intelligence ...
Croc, on the contrary, was superior to Luffy in every aspect. He even defeated Luffy twice, and if Luffy wouldn't have discovered his weakness, then it would be the end for him.
Enel's DF was way too OP, but just that, nothing more.
Croc's DF wasn't that OP compared to the other logia, but Croc stated himself that he had trained hard, so making him DF stronger through training.
And do you really think Croc would survive in the NW without Haki Lol ?
I think he will have an epic comeback, being on par with some of the most powerful Haki and DF users in One Piece !

Enel is wayyyy smarter than Luffy. He outwitted Robin. Robin.

 

[Jin]

Enel is wayyyy smarter than Luffy. He outwitted Robin. Robin.

He just had knowledge of the place there , nothing else ...
And that knowledge was gathered through forcing the locals tell him all the stuff.
And i was talking about battle intelligencem and oh.. I doubt he's smarter than Robin ...

 

[WolfHaley]

He just had knowledge of the place there , nothing else ...
And that knowledge was gathered through forcing the locals tell him all the stuff.
And i was talking about battle intelligencem and oh.. I doubt he's smarter than Robin ...

LOL he outsmarted Robin, outwitting her and figuring out where the bell was.
Built and designed a spaceship that worked
Used the history of Skypeia to manipulate the people there
Figured how to combine his Observation Haki and DF by himself
Figured out a way to hurt Luffy

But no, Luffy is def smarter.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

None of that discredits anything I said. Croco got his shit crushed, and abandoned the New World. That's what I said, just because you went into more detail by taking bits and pieces of that OP literary analysis and adding it to your post doesn't mean you proved anything I said wrong.

Croco could have known Haki while there, but it was weak, and he got trashed and left back to the Paradise.

But...I wasn't tring to prove you wrong :/ Everything I said obviously supports your statement. *sad face*

 

[WolfHaley]

But...I wasn't tring to prove you wrong :/ Everything I said obviously supports your statement. *sad face*

You better not cry. Don't do this to me.

 

[Jin]

LOL he outsmarted Robin, outwitting her and figuring out where the bell was.
Built and designed a spaceship that worked
Used the history of Skypeia to manipulate the people there
Figured how to combine his Observation Haki and DF by himself
Figured out a way to hurt Luffy

But no, Luffy is def smarter.

So, why didn't he find a way to beat Luffy ?
Luffy may behave like a child and be stupid sometimes, but when he gets serious, well ... you know how it goes .

 

[WolfHaley]

So, why didn't he find a way to beat Luffy ?
Luffy may behave like a child and be stupid sometimes, but when he gets serious, well ... you know how it goes .

Because being smarter doesn't mean you'll win. LOL at you trying to prove someone is dumber than someone because they lost a fight to them. I guess Stephen Hawking is less smart than Brock Lesnar.

 

[Jin]

Because being smarter doesn't mean you'll win. LOL at you trying to prove someone is dumber than someone because they lost a fight to them. I guess Stephen Hawking is less smart than Brock Lesnar.

Being smarter gives you more chances of winning
Also, as for the previous reply, you said that Enel outsmarted Robin.
Well, let's say Robin had been there for years, had explored and studied all the places, and let's suppose Enel was the newcomer, how would it be ?

 

[WolfHaley]

Being smarter gives you more chances of winning
Also, as for the previous reply, you said that Enel outsmarted Robin.
Well, let's say Robin had been there for years, had explored and studied all the places, and let's suppose Enel was the newcomer, how would it be ?

Experience is a factor in intelligence.

Can being smarter give you more chances of winning? Yes, but if the opponent has strength that surpasses yours enough, your intelligence will mean nothing.

You think Luffy could have designed the Maxim? Or Robin?

 

[Jin]

Experience is a factor in intelligence.

Can being smarter give you more chances of winning? Yes, but if the opponent has strength that surpasses yours enough, your intelligence will mean nothing.

You think Luffy could have designed the Maxim? Or Robin?

Once again, have a look at my previous reply.
I told that Luffy had more battle intelligence, not that he's smarter than Enel.
In all the fights till now, when Luffy was on a pinch, he always found the way out and won.
As for Robin, yes, she could have possibly built that, and Enel had Gan Fall men's built it for him