Hirashingiri.....!

[Oblivionx]

i need theories on working of hirashingiri...
i know most of people here think that it is a ftg attack regardless of no evidence of ftg used at all...
look at this image... tobirama has no markings near madara and his kunai wasn't seen thrown i.e ftg lvl2 wasn't shown either... infact his kunai is behind him while minato's kunai was infront of him when he used ftg lvl 2 and it seems retarded i he jumped infront of kunai thus slowing his striking speed....

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1st question: how did tobirama got that close to madara??

now on to 2nd question..
here we can also see tobirama pressing forward, i.e showing forward movement which we haven't seen from minato at all when he uses ftg...
2nd Question: why was tobirama moving forward if he used ftg?? shouldn't he have just slashed madara while standing in one place... tobirama also lost the CQC battle because of that as you can see he got too close to madara thus losing balance and was intercepted...

Plausible Theory:
one more theory that seems plausible is that tobirama used ftg lvl 2 and then grabbed the kunai to attack but i wanna know why the heck anybody would do that?? if kunai was thrown at madara's back then he shouldn't have stopped it, the attack would have been lot faster that way.. madara wouldn't have got time to react as he got because tobirama stopped kunai from hitting target... and we all know tobirama isn't dumb enough to do something like that...

My Theory:
tobirama used pure shunshin to attack madara, all questions are answered this way... how tobirama got close to madara? with shunshin, why tobirama was pressing forward? because he was in forward motion due to shunshin and that would have made his striking speed faster as naruto did against kaguya...
now the last question, why is the techs name hirashingiri if it is a shunshin attack? because hirashin and shunshin are interchangeable terms in manga... on certain occasions hirashin was called shunshin and shunshin was called hirashin...

i'll look for a scan now but even then let me know of any other theories that come to your mind....

 

[Cauzing]

He simply sneaked up? :|

 

[Penguin]

He threw the kunai, which was marked with hiraishin, behind Madara and teleported to it then tried stabbing Madara. You don't say, "Hiraishin, Hiraishingiri!". It is just "Hiraishingiri".

 

[Great Master Minato]

Look Closely At The Kunai In His Hand...It Has FTG Marking On IT...

 

[WolfHaley]

Dawg, it's called FLYING THUNDER GOD slash.

 

[Umari Senju]

As to Question 1. Tobirama has fought Madara many times as did his brother. Now this is just specutation, but we know that once a mark is placed on something or someone, it never goes away. plus...the tip of the kunai is marked. So that might be how Tobirama was able to do what he did in the first scans.

As to Question 2. Plot I guess. Couldn't have Tobirama beating the main villain at the time. XD

Guess we just have to wait for the anime. Then we can see what happened.

 

[YellowFang]

It's like this,
- Hirashin...
User jumps in front of the opponent.

- Giri
And slice past the opponent.

It's just what Minato did all his life, Jumped and Sliced...

 

[Oblivionx]

He simply sneaked up? :|

seems more plausible and also settles with tobirama's fighting style... madara did say, that's what he used to do... sneak attacks...

He threw the kunai, which was marked with hiraishin, behind Madara and teleported to it then tried stabbing Madara. You don't say, "Hiraishin, Hiraishingiri!". It is just "Hiraishingiri".

i asked two question which negate this theory... read 1st...

Look Closely At The Kunai In His Hand...It Has FTG Marking On IT...

yeah, i can see that and i also know tobirama is a cautious man (admitted himself) so ther had to be a fail safe plan... if you think he used ftg lvl 2 then answer questions in OP...

Dawg, it's called FLYING THUNDER GOD slash.

so??

As to Question 1. Tobirama has fought Madara many times as did his brother. Now this is just specutation, but we know that once a mark is placed on something or someone, it never goes away. plus...the tip of the kunai is marked. So that might be how Tobirama was able to do what he did in the first scans.

As to Question 2. Plot I guess. Couldn't have Tobirama beating the main villain at the time. XD

Guess we just have to wait for the anime. Then we can see what happened.

so are you suggesting tobirama had madara marked? well it's more plausible than ftg lvl 2 but still doesn't answer 2nd question and also i don't see madara reacting to such ftg as jubito failed to do so...

 

[Oblivionx]

It's like this,
- Hirashin...
User jumps in front of the opponent.

- Giri
And slice past the opponent.

It's just what Minato did all his life, Jumped and Sliced...

minato never moves forward while slicing... tobirama lost balance due to moving forward... and how did he jump near madara in the 1st place?

 

[Great Master Minato]

yeah, i can see that and i also know tobirama is a cautious man (admitted himself) so ther had to be a fail safe plan... if you think he used ftg lvl 2 then answer questions in OP...

Basically Hirashingiri Is Combined Hiraishin & Shunshin In A Row...
Let Me Explain...Tobirama Marked His Kunai & Throw It Then He Use Hiraishin & After Grabbing The Kunai He Used Shunshin To Move Forward Pretty Fast In Order To Strike The Target...This Is How Hirashigiri Works...This Is My Theory About It...

 

[YellowFang]

minato never moves forward while slicing... tobirama lost balance due to moving forward... and how did he jump near madara in the 1st place?

That's the difference,

Tobirama jumped NEAR Madara and then proceeded forward, Minato jumps right at enemy and finishes him off just like he did with Obito...

 

[YellowFang]

Basically Hirashingiri Is Combined Hiraishin & Shunshin In A Row...
Let Me Explain...Tobirama Marked His Kunai & Throw It Then He Use Hiraishin & After Grabbing The Kunai He Used Shunshin To Move Forward Pretty Fast In Order To Strike The Target...This Is How Hirashigiri Works...This Is My Theory About It...

That's also a good explanation...

 

[Oblivionx]

Basically Hirashingiri Is Combined Hiraishin & Shunshin In A Row...
Let Me Explain...Tobirama Marked His Kunai & Throw It Then He Use Hiraishin & After Grabbing The Kunai He Used Shunshin To Move Forward Pretty Fast In Order To Strike The Target...This Is How Hirashigiri Works...This Is My Theory About It...

that's good, i appreciate it but questions need to be asked... ftg is faster than shunshin then why use shunshin and not let kunai travel near opponent.. it's slows down attack overall... 2nd tobirama jumped in front of kunai, see closely he is holding kunai behind him in 1st panel while when minato uses ftg his kunai is infront... by holding kunai behind and then pushing forward slows down the striking speed... now is tobirama really that dumb to make two such mistakes??
though if we call it plot then your theory seems good...

 

[Oblivionx]

That's the difference,

Tobirama jumped NEAR Madara and then proceeded forward, Minato jumps right at enemy and finishes him off just like he did with Obito...

i'm not saying that i'm stating facts, it's good that you are giving theories but what you are suggesting slows down ftg attack by a large margin as it's a split second attack.... and tobirama isn't that dumb you know...

 

[Great Master Minato]

that's good, i appreciate it but questions need to be asked... ftg is faster than shunshin then why use shunshin and not let kunai travel near opponent.. it's slows down attack overall... 2nd tobirama jumped in front of kunai, see closely he is holding kunai behind him in 1st panel while when minato uses ftg his kunai is infront... by holding kunai behind and then pushing forward slows down the striking speed... now is tobirama really that dumb to make two such mistakes??
though if we call it plot then your theory seems good...

Well You Can't Move Forward When You Use FTG...You'll Appear On A Certain Point & In Order To Strike You Should Use Your Body Movement Speed...While Using Shunshin To Strike Will Make It Faster...

 

[WolfHaley]

so??

What do you mean "So?" You're saying there's no FTG used, it's called FTG slash. You're asking us to prove FTG is FTG. All Tobirama did was throw a marked kunai, FTG'd to the Kunai at the last second, grabbed it, and thrusted it so it would have the power of his arm thrusting the kunai AND the momentum it built it while being thrown.

 

[Touken]

It's probably just Shunshin + a strike.

 

[Oblivionx]

Well You Can't Move Forward When You Use FTG...You'll Appear On A Certain Point & In Order To Strike You Should Use Your Body Movement Speed...While Using Shunshin To Strike Will Make It Faster...

minato never did that... and in tobirama's case what you are suggesting slows him down... lets say minato teleports right at enemy and attacks while tobirama teleports little far away and then uses shunshin... which one will be difficult to detect and faster??

What do you mean "So?" You're saying there's no FTG used, it's called FTG slash. You're asking us to prove FTG is FTG. All Tobirama did was throw a marked kunai, FTG'd to the Kunai at the last second, grabbed it, and thrusted it so it would have the power of his arm thrusting the kunai AND the momentum it built it while being thrown.

read above and i have been saying that makes ftg useless... if tobirama is going to use ftg at some distance then why bother using it at all.... as it clearly wasn't his arm that moved forward, his whole body did and we know other ftg user never does that.... and if he used ftg lvl 2 then why is kunai behind him in 1st panel?? now doesn't that slow him down....??

 

[Oblivionx]

It's probably just Shunshin + a strike.

thanks for reading...
most just comment... (no offense anybody)

 

[WolfHaley]

minato never did that... and in tobirama's case what you are suggesting slows him down... lets say minato teleports right at enemy and attacks while tobirama teleports little far away and then uses shunshin... which one will be difficult to detect and faster??



read above and i have been saying that makes ftg useless... if tobirama is going to use ftg at some distance then why bother using it at all.... as it clearly wasn't his arm that moved forward, his whole body did and we know other ftg user never does that.... and if he used ftg lvl 2 then why is kunai behind him in 1st panel?? now doesn't that slow him down....??

Your're putting it in perspective.
1. Tobirama throws the kunai
2. Tobirama starts moving forward
3. FTGs to Kunai
4. Grabs it and uses the force of him moving+the force of the kunai moving for a greater, faster strike than if he just threw the kunai or tried to run at the opponent.

FTG isn't useless because he got to Madara faster than he would have if he tried to run or use Shunshin.