is double Kamui even quicker than FTG slash?

[XY iNVeRSe]

Madara dodged an ftg slash from Tobirama.

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Obito barely dodged a gudo dama when he first used double Kamui.

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For those that say it takes longer for obito to Kamui himself, he barely saved kakashi from Kaguya's bones (that aren't so quick if kakashi and him were able to intercept them while being held down, and having enough time to build up chakra to use Kamui

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What I'm trying to get at is that people make it seem that double Kamui is instant, which isn't the case if gudo dama were inches away from him and the same with the bones. Especially the distance between them.

Oh and for the ftg part, if madara is able to dodge an near instant attack (maybe even faster than double Kamui) isn't it possible that SM madara can sense and dodge a Kamui snipe especially if he senses it coming?

 

[Solog0d]

He couldnt save kakashi and himself no.

 

[The Necromancer]

The exact mechanics of Hiraishin Giri are unknown. If its speed is based off of the user's footspeed, then hell yeah, if it's actually based on Hiraishin, then no.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

He couldnt save kakashi and himself no.

Not that,

The thing I'm trying to say is that, he barely escaped the gudo dama which Naruto , gai in 6 gates, and minato were able to .

And unless they move instant (I doubt 6 gates gai does) than double Kamui can be dodged be sheer speed If you know it's coming.

 

[Angelic.]

limbo >all.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

limbo >all.

I'd have to agree.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Madara dodged an ftg slash from Tobirama.

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Obito barely dodged a gudo dama when he first used double Kamui.

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For those that say it takes longer for obito to Kamui himself, he barely saved kakashi from Kaguya's bones (that aren't so quick if kakashi and him were able to intercept them while being held down, and having enough time to build up chakra to use Kamui

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What I'm trying to get at is that people make it seem that double Kamui is instant, which isn't the case if gudo dama were inches away from him and the same with the bones. Especially the distance between them.

Oh and for the ftg part, if madara is able to dodge an near instant attack (maybe even faster than double Kamui) isn't it possible that SM madara can sense and dodge a Kamui snipe especially if he senses it coming?

You do know Madara was able to dodge Tobirama because he knows his fighting style for using FTG as he seen it done in their war and it's how his beloved brother died. Madara also states that Tobirama couldn't access his full power, being an Edo tensei is the reason for that so we know none of the Edo's jutsus are at their full power as it would be if they were alive.

The only thing Kamui makes faster is using both of his Kamui to warp himself to the dimension, it does not speed up Obito going intangible or Kamui-ing a target.

 

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Kamui snipe Instant

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Kamui body transportation Speed of light

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Kamui phase Instant

FTG Instant

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It's all about strike speed & hand movement.

 

[TRE MERCER]

It's all about reaction honestly.

 

[VongolaX]

No such thing as a near instant...

Double kamui increased his jumping speed because it was not instant.

Otherwise someone can bring the argument that Madara failed to get Obito's phasing speed which is instant.

Kamui is a s/t that moves at the speed of light, it doesn't get any instant then that.

All s/t speed are the same thing

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Kamui snipe Instant

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That is not instant.

Kamui body transportation Speed of light

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It seemed to me like Zetsu was being sarcastic, we know how Obito traveled, he went into the Kamui dimension, and then from there he went to where Itachi was.

Kamui phase Instant

Its not, he was not able to phase in time to go avoid Amaterasu.


Double Kamui is around 6th gated Lee speed, seeing as how Double Kamui

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dodged the Goudodama while Lee also barely dodged the Gudodama (Granted, he was carrying Gai)

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. . I think FTG Slash is faster then 6th Gated Lee, by a good amount.

 

[ShiroT]

Madara dodged an ftg slash from Tobirama.

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Obito barely dodged a gudo dama when he first used double Kamui.

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For those that say it takes longer for obito to Kamui himself, he barely saved kakashi from Kaguya's bones (that aren't so quick if kakashi and him were able to intercept them while being held down, and having enough time to build up chakra to use Kamui

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What I'm trying to get at is that people make it seem that double Kamui is instant, which isn't the case if gudo dama were inches away from him and the same with the bones. Especially the distance between them.

Oh and for the ftg part, if madara is able to dodge an near instant attack (maybe even faster than double Kamui) isn't it possible that SM madara can sense and dodge a Kamui snipe especially if he senses it coming?

madara dodged both. i dont get how you can compare the two. not to mention kamui was up against a stronger foe and tobirama was taken out by one eye'd madara.

 

[ShiroT]

That is not instant.



It seemed to me like Zetsu was being sarcastic, we know how Obito traveled, he went into the Kamui dimension, and then from there he went to where Itachi was.



Its not, he was not able to phase in time to go avoid Amaterasu.


Double Kamui is around 6th gated Lee speed, seeing as how Double Kamui

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dodged the Goudodama while Lee also barely dodged the Gudodama (Granted, he was carrying Gai)

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. . I think FTG Slash is faster then 6th Gated Lee, by a good amount.

yea because obito totally being im prepared for an attack shows how fast his tech is . . .

 

[RikudouMadara]

I say don't read too much into it.... I'm fairly positive Kishi doesn't take things like this serious.... Why should we...? Kishi can feel one day Kamui is slower, then.the next day it looks fastest.... Idk....

 

[ShinjuMadara]

Much Much faster, Kamui >>>>> FTG

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

yea because obito totally being im prepared for an attack shows how fast his tech is . . .

Obito was preppered, he saw it coming when Sasuke's eye started bleeding

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[Ansatsuken]

For travelling ability = FTG is much faster than Double Kamui. Because double kamui don't increases Kamui travelling speed, it still same. while FTG is instant that mean whwn Kamui user arrive in Hokage HQ, FTG users has been there earlier. And If we take the statement that Kamui is fast as light that mean it still slower than Instant

For jumping ability = FTG is the same in nature. The user jumping, they vanish in the blink of the eye without any effect is left behind
But Kamui jumping is depend on how fast is Kamui sucking power. One eye Kamui, yes it very slow. Look how slow Obito is sucking into his Kamui land. We still able to saw his body swirling wheres in FTG case, their user is just vanish instantly. The suckering is still fast for one Kamui but not as instant as FTG.

But double Kamui, what I able to said from my observation is very varied. Look below
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In most above scan he just gone like very fast/near instant without leaving any body swirl effect

But in most other scan the body swirl effect still able be seen by us.

But from all those scan double Kamui user might be able to adjust the speed of the dimensional jumping dependent on the situation they currently in.

Like in TSB attack situation Obito double the jumping speed like what Madara state

But In non threatening situation Obito just using normal jumping speed

That mean when they double the sucking speed. Kamui able to go near instant. But the sucking effect is still in work and if Madara targeting the centre of the swirl might be the TSB will hitting Obito in the other dimension and it similar with the last scan with ash bone technique.

And it unlike FTG that leave no after effect

To sum it up Double Kamui is still a little to slow compare to FTG in speed nature

But in forth scan Obito able to jump out from his dimension very fast

FTG slash is actually the movement combination in my opinion

First the users teleported behind opponents and then it follow with stabbing move.

Why the move name is FTG slash, it because it involving FTG to teleport near target and follow with slashing move

That mean in jumping to target FTG slash will make it first follow by Kamui but
what divide their effectiveness is striking movement that follow

In this case we have seen Kamui able to attack on the go while they still getting out completely from Kamui dimension but FTG users can't making on the go attack where's they in needed to make a striking move next.

In this regard FTG slash lost to Double Kamui


Peace

 

[ShiroT]

Obito was preppered, he saw it coming when Sasuke's eye started bleeding

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if you look he didnt use kamui . . .he watched most likely in suprisment.

are we now judging things based off "if it didnt happen it couldnt" Lol

there was no panal of obito trying to dodge or use kamui which means that obito was caught off guard. if a panal doesnt show a person attempting to do something then it means they didnt/didnt react fast enough.

 

[AlphaScythian]

FTG almost got beaten by kamui.
Double kamui takes it.

The example you gave with gudodamas sux as obito was transporting bijus chakra in weaker state and its a fact that he takes more time to transport extra shit.