[Discussion] Why Kidd can't beat Zoro.

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

He has shown no feats strong enough in order to pull the swords out of Zoro's hands.

Think of Zoro's strength, he likely grips the swords with such a force that he may as well be attached to it. I.e the energy required to break his grip is more than it is to rip metal. (This is a not unlikely theory considering his power.)

Until Kidd is able to split and deform metal ala Magneto then he has no hope in taking the swords.

 

[Hexuze]

That means Zoro is the 3rd the strongest from the supernova's. I doubt Oda will let Luffy & Zoro "dominate" the supernova rankings. Kidd is stronger than Luffy or at least on par seeing how him, Luffy & Law were fighting together as "equals" during Sabaody. IMO Kidd is stronger than Luffy/Law by a small margin. I know we haven't seen much but that's just how I feel about it. He was wrecking Big Mom's ships by himself. :/ That's a feat that even Zoro can't obtain.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

That means Zoro is the 3rd the strongest from the supernova's. I doubt Oda will let Luffy & Zoro "dominate" the supernova rankings. Kidd is stronger than Luffy or at least on par seeing how him, Luffy & Law were fighting together as "equals" during Sabaody. IMO Kidd is stronger than Luffy/Law by a small margin. I know we haven't seen much but that's just how I feel about it. He was wrecking Big Mom's ships by himself. :/ That's a feat that even Zoro can't obtain.

That's fair enough if that's what you think. I just feel that if Kidd is stronger than Luffy now, then there was no point in the Straw Hats stopping to train at all. They should have gone to the New World.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That means Zoro is the 3rd the strongest from the supernova's. I doubt Oda will let Luffy & Zoro "dominate" the supernova rankings. Kidd is stronger than Luffy or at least on par seeing how him, Luffy & Law were fighting together as "equals" during Sabaody. IMO Kidd is stronger than Luffy/Law by a small margin. I know we haven't seen much but that's just how I feel about it. He was wrecking Big Mom's ships by himself. :/ That's a feat that even Zoro can't obtain.

All he did was destroy 2 of her allies ships and have his arm taken away by one of the BM pirates.

 

[Corgi]

That means Zoro is the 3rd the strongest from the supernova's. I doubt Oda will let Luffy & Zoro "dominate" the supernova rankings. Kidd is stronger than Luffy or at least on par seeing how him, Luffy & Law were fighting together as "equals" during Sabaody. IMO Kidd is stronger than Luffy/Law by a small margin. I know we haven't seen much but that's just how I feel about it. He was wrecking Big Mom's ships by himself. :/ That's a feat that even Zoro can't obtain.

You don't know that. How do you know he isn't taking out ships just carrying minor cargo. How do you know the ships aren't from weak sauce members of the crew, and Kidd is targeting those specifically.

I swear, OP fans love to blow hype up to the maximum.

 

[Hexuze]

All he did was destroy 2 of her allies ships and have his arm taken away by one of the BM pirates.

His arm was taken by one of the BM pirates? When did it say that? Kidd took down 2 of BM's ships, not allies.:

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You don't know that. How do you know he isn't taking out ships just carrying minor cargo. How do you know the ships aren't from weak sauce members of the crew, and Kidd is targeting those specifically.

I swear, OP fans love to blow hype up to the maximum.

LOOL what rustled your jimmies? xD If the ships were minor cargo, would Tamago really make a big deal out of it? Tamago specifically stated pirate ships, so I'm assuming it was one of their crew member's ships. Don't get butthurt kid.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

His arm was taken by one of the BM pirates? When did it say that? Kidd took down 2 of BM's ships, not allies.:

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Also that doesn't mean he did it on his own. He has a crew that likely helped him.

Regardless we can't take it as a serious feat because it can go either way.

 

[U mAd]

even if kid can't take the sword's from zoro the pressure on them will disable him from using his techniques efficiently and also slow him down considerably.just accept in no way zoro is beting kid.kid shits on him.

 

[Corgi]

Also that doesn't mean he did it on his own. He has a crew that likely helped him.

Regardless we can't take it as a serious feat because it can go either way.

Plus Kidd can manipulate metal, which could be a component of the ship. He could have simply ripped the metal parts away from a safe distance, sinking the ships and leaving the crew unable to fight back. This could be an Enel-situation, the DF grants an advantage for this particular situation.

 

[Hexuze]

Also that doesn't mean he did it on his own. He has a crew that likely helped him.

Regardless we can't take it as a serious feat because it can go either way.

I'm pretty sure it's just Kidd who did it, seeing how he only referenced him (singular) and not his crew.

 

[Corgi]

His arm was taken by one of the BM pirates? When did it say that? Kidd took down 2 of BM's ships, not allies.:

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LOOL what rustled your jimmies? xD If the ships were minor cargo, would Tamago really make a big deal out of it? Tamago specifically stated pirate ships, so I'm assuming it was one of their crew member's ships. Don't get butthurt kid.

After looking at the scan, yeah it's clear it's not minor cargo. But it doesn't change that this is a vague action that you're making bigger than it could be. I'm not butthurt, no one's jimmies are rustled, calling me kid just makes your post pretty lame since you're resorting to insults, implying you need that to carry it because of the obvious lack of facts regarding this feat, so we can drop that BS right here.

Anyways, we don't know the full situation of Kidd sinking those ships. That's a fact. It could have been sneak attacks, it could have been ships just transporting some cargo, like food, to Big Mom, which is why Tamago was making a big deal. It could have been from a distance. It could have been weaker members on the ship. We don't know the full extent of this situation, so trying to use it as a feat is kinda meaningless, since it's just vague info anyone can bend towards their side. Kidd is pretty featless at the moment, and by featless, I mean he hasn't done anything solid, he hasn't done anything that is irrefutably, stone-cold put him over Zoro and Luffy. Look at X Drake, he took out Kaido's favorite island, he did a greater feat to a greater Yonko, but you don't put him as high as top 3, now do you?

 

[Hexuze]

After looking at the scan, yeah it's clear it's not minor cargo. But it doesn't change that this is a vague action that you're bigger than it could be. I'm not butthurt, no one's jimmies are rustled, calling me kid just makes your post pretty lame since you're resorting to insults, implying you need that to carry it because of the obvious lack of facts regarding this feat, so we can drop that BS right here.

Anyways, we don't know the full situation of Kidd sinking those ships. That's a fact. It could have been sneak attacks, it could have been ships just transporting some cargo, like food, to Big Mom, which is why Tamago was making a big deal. It could have been from a distance. It could have been weaker members on the ship. We don't know the full extent of this situation, so trying to use it as a feat is kinda meaningless, since it's just vague info anyone can bend towards their side. Kidd is pretty featless at the moment, and by featless, I mean he hasn't done anything solid, he hasn't done anything that is irrefutably, stone-cold put him over Zoro and Luffy. Look at X Drake, he took out Kaido's favorite island, he did a greater feat to a greater Yonko, but you don't put him as high as top 3, now do you?

I proved your assumption on it being possibly minor cargo ships wrong and I ended it off with an "insult" since you seemed pretty b*tchy in your post.

Sneak attacks? Doesn't suit Kidd at all, he's more aggressive from the trio (Law/Luffy/Kidd). It is possible that it could be transportation for food to Big Mom. If that's the case, it's not too far off to say that Big Mom pirates were guarding the cargo ships, since food seems like a big issue for her. I would image it's under strict security. I know he's featless, hence why I've said he hasn't done much but there's enough hints that implies that he's superior to Zoro. Drake took out Kaido's fav. island? You're exaggerating just a bit there. I think it was just skipped as soon as Drake attempted to attack that guard. I would prob. place Drake below the person who's at the bottom of the supernova trio, so #4 basically.

 

[Corgi]

I proved your assumption on it being possibly minor cargo ships wrong and I ended it off with an "insult" since you seemed pretty b*tchy in your post.

Sneak attacks? Doesn't suit Kidd at all, he's more aggressive from the trio (Law/Luffy/Kidd). It is possible that it could be transportation for food to Big Mom. If that's the case, it's not too far off to say that Big Mom pirates were guarding the cargo ships, since food seems like a big issue for her. I would image it's under strict security. I know he's featless, hence why I've said he hasn't done much but there's enough hints that implies that he's superior to Zoro. Drake took out Kaido's fav. island? You're exaggerating just a bit there. I think it was just skipped as soon as Drake attempted to attack that guard. I would prob. place Drake below the person who's at the bottom of the supernova trio, so #4 basically.

How does that put Zoro below Kidd? It's possible that Zoro could also sink those ships if he wanted, he sliced clean through a large ship with one sword in the beginning of the timeskip, and seeing as how he effortlessly cut metal on Fishman Island, he could probably slice up an entire ship with multiple long-ranged slashes. It's a fact that you don't know whether Zoro would have done worse than, better than or the same as Kidd if he attempted to sink those ships.


And Kidd is aggressive yes, but sneak attacks are not the opposite of aggressive, they can be one and the same.

And no, I'm not exaggerating. The guard stated this was Kaido's favorite island, and does Kaido, the man who would kill Doflamingo over not getting what he wanted, sound like someone that would leave just anyone to protect his favorite island? If you think Big Mom would put strict security over ships bringing food, but the ruthless Kaido won't on his favorite island, you're kidding yourself.

 

[Fireplay]

If Post-TS Law can enlarge his room to the size of a mountain and cut that whole mountain in oneshot then Post-TS Kid whose been spending this 2 years in NW fighting and gaining actual experience can damn sure control Zoro's swords.

I don't know who but someone here stated that Kid got his arm took by a fodder BM pirate. We don't know who took his arm so where are all these crazy assumptions coming from? Somebody is lying.

 

[TheHokage]

It's obvious Kidd is stronger than Zoro the way how both he and Law were portrayed to be equals to Luffy in the SA arc and I agree with the statement that said Oda wouldn't have Luffy and Zoro be able to destroy the majority of the Supernova's as there would be no point in having adding them in the first place.

Fact is Kidd, Law and Luffy are all after the One Piece some of the other Supernova's are most likely the same Zoro in my opinion seems to be more matched with Killer rather than Kidd.

 

[Jinbei]

What's stopping kidd from bending zoro's swords again?

 

[Sherlock.]

That's fair enough if that's what you think. I just feel that if Kidd is stronger than Luffy now, then there was no point in the Straw Hats stopping to train at all. They should have gone to the New World.

They are probably on par and Kid has been in the NW for 2 years now and apparently without being under a Yonko. It wouldn't make sense if he were not at least as strong as or stronger than Luffy and survive the NW for two years. NW ain't for weak pirates.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

What's stopping kidd from bending zoro's swords again?

He can't bend metal, he has only been shown pushing and pulling it.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Agreed bro.

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[Love Cook]

He has shown no feats strong enough in order to pull the swords out of Zoro's hands.

Think of Zoro's strength, he likely grips the swords with such a force that he may as well be attached to it. I.e the energy required to break his grip is more than it is to rip metal. (This is a not unlikely theory considering his power.)

Until Kidd is able to split and deform metal ala Magneto then he has no hope in taking the swords.

Zoro can have all the strength in the world, but if Kid wants to move Zoro's swords, he will move zoro's swords.

If he moves them in to the air, maybe Zoro can hang on, but he will be hanging underneath his swords. What does Zoro weigh ? Let's say something absurd a 100KG of pure muscle, It's only a 100KG Kids needs to lift with his ability, and he has been show to control enormous amounts of metal.

So Zoro can have a death grip on those swords, but the will be absolutely useless around Kidd, he will influence every slash Zoro takes.