[VS] Ay vs Tobirama

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Ay wins guys let's be serious :| the only thing that tobirama has shown to get through his armor is that infinite explosion thing via edo tensi which is restricted .....

Ay can beat tobirama mid high diff without Edos feat wise

If tobirama gets access to 2 random Edos then it might b different story but until he shows something Ay beats him ....

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Ay will blitz his clones. All swapping places with clones does is prevent the real Tobirama from getting hit, but will still end up sacrificing his clones in his place. Also FTG swapping with clones is slightly slower than the basic FTG, so if Ay blitzes at ridiculous speed, the clone or real Tobirama won't be able to teleport in time to avoid his attack. This is full intel we're talking about, Tobirama wouldn't be so stupid to waste chakra on multiple clones, especially when using FTG with clones is slower. He can't afford to be slow at all against Ay, otherwise he'll get hit. Swapping places with clones is a very bad tactic in such a fight as this to be honest.

Ay has tailed beast chakra. Using multiple clones will wear out Tobirama much faster than v2 will. Also there's no proof of how much chakra FTG uses, I've always believed it takes quite a lot of chakra, but since both users use a lot of chakra, it rakes less. After all, it does take 3 Jonin to use.

Actually if it came to a battle of stamina, Tobirama would probably win. The fact that he was able to teleport what was basically 100% Kurama without trouble despite Minato loosing most of his stamina after doing it, leads me to believe Tobirama has Biju level chakra (Its not far fetched either, he is the brother of Hashirama after all). And though Ei also has Biju level chakra, V2 is one of the most draining (If not the most draining) Jutsu in the manga. Although, the problem lies in the fact that Ei starts in V2 and Tobirama does not start off with tags spread out, which is why Tobirama would loose.

 

[KidGamer65]

From 40 meters, tossing a Kunai and evading Ay's blitz with Hiraishin is child's play, considering his reactions are fast enough to react to Juubito's Shunshin. Ay, being much slower, won't be any harder, just easier. Inb4 "He had to sacrifice half his body" he was still able to react, so its as simple as that. Unless Ay is on par with Juubito's speed, mentioning that is pointless. All he needs to do is toss it above his head like Minato did to him in the past, and then he can teleport above Ay and mark him. From there it depends on if Suidanha from multiple clones, probably 4 or 5, all hitting Ay at once can breach his armor. I won't be surprised if it can, so Tobirama stomps him. If it can't, Tobirama loses.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I didn't say Tobirama would use Multiple Shadow Clones continuously. Only to get markings across the field and for defensive purposes meanwhile he gets this done. After this, avoiding Ay's attacks will be simple. Minato dodged Ay's fastest attack point blank via FTG.

But you ignore the fact that not only are his clones now slower (using FTG), but are also weaker and this is V2 Ay. There's full intel, Ay can lightning blitz and take out several of his clones at once, and even though his clones may have the ability to react, their FTG won't trigger instantaneously, due to being clones. Also you assume Tobirama will have the time to make the hand signs, v2 can pressure him to make sure he never does. And even if his clones do come out, he'll have no problem taking them out before they can even move. And it'll be pretty obvious to see them marking, since he has full intel, all he has to do is take note of the markings and then Tobirama will be vulnerable because we know Ay has the speed to cover each markings, like he was going to do to minato.

And let's say Tobirama does make his markings, then what does he do to Ay to defeat him? Constantly teleporting to FTG seals is only going to give away all his marking locations, which Ay will be able to anticipate.

 

[Nattana]

I don't see Tobirama winning only due to his lack of offense. With some fodder Edo - Tobirama easily wins.

 

[TRE MERCER]

From 40 meters, tossing a Kunai and evading Ay's blitz with Hiraishin is child's play, considering his reactions are fast enough to react to Juubito's Shunshin. Ay, being much slower, won't be any harder, just easier. Inb4 "He had to sacrifice half his body" he was still able to react, so its as simple as that. Unless Ay is on par with Juubito's speed, mentioning that is pointless. All he needs to do is toss it above his head like Minato did to him in the past, and then he can teleport above Ay and mark him. From there it depends on if Suidanha from multiple clones, probably 4 or 5, all hitting Ay at once can breach his armor. I won't be surprised if it can, so Tobirama stomps him. If it can't, Tobirama loses.

Tobirama is not Minato he doesn't have ftg prepped on kunai so 85% of this post is irrelevant.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

From 40 meters, tossing a Kunai and evading Ay's blitz with Hiraishin is child's play, considering his reactions are fast enough to react to Juubito's Shunshin. Ay, being much slower, won't be any harder, just easier. Inb4 "He had to sacrifice half his body" he was still able to react, so its as simple as that. Unless Ay is on par with Juubito's speed, mentioning that is pointless. All he needs to do is toss it above his head like Minato did to him in the past, and then he can teleport above Ay and mark him. From there it depends on if Suidanha from multiple clones, probably 4 or 5, all hitting Ay at once can breach his armor. I won't be surprised if it can, so Tobirama stomps him. If it can't, Tobirama loses.

Its one thing reacting to him, its another reaching into his pouch, picking up a Kunai and throwing it a fair distance away and then using FTG. Minato was already in the process of throwing his Kunai when Ei went V2 and charged, Tobirama does not have the same luxury as not only does Ei not have to enter V2 (He can blitz off the bat), but Tobirama does not start off with anything in his hands or on the battlefield.

 

[KidGamer65]

Tobirama is not Minato he doesn't have ftg prepped on kunai so 85% of this post is irrelevant.

1. Tobirama not being Minato doesn't matter. He's already reacted to someone much faster than Ay and managed to tag him 5 times before he got half his body blown off. Minato doesn't even have a feat that compares when talking about reaction speed.

2. I never said he needed it prepped. Minato tossed a Kunai up above Ay's head when he came in for the blitz, from a shorter distance. Tobirama reacted to someone much faster than Ay. Combine that with the longer distance here and Ay is avoided with ease. If you are talking about the Kunai, we've already seen that Tobirama can mark his weapons with a touch, so not having it marked beforehand is irrelevant.

Lets drop this "Ay blitzes Tobirama" argument. Its ridiculous at best.

 

[Demonic.]

But you ignore the fact that not only are his clones now slower (using FTG), but are also weaker and this is V2 Ay. There's full intel, Ay can lightning blitz and take out several of his clones at once, and even though his clones may have the ability to react, their FTG won't trigger instantaneously, due to being clones. Also you assume Tobirama will have the time to make the hand signs, v2 can pressure him to make sure he never does. And even if his clones do come out, he'll have no problem taking them out before they can even move. And it'll be pretty obvious to see them marking, since he has full intel, all he has to do is take note of the markings and then Tobirama will be vulnerable because we know Ay has the speed to cover each markings, like he was going to do to minato.

And let's say Tobirama does make his markings, then what does he do to Ay to defeat him? Constantly teleporting to FTG seals is only going to give away all his marking locations, which Ay will be able to anticipate.

I'm curious. Do you think Ay beats Minato in a fight with full intel then?

 

[Gold Lightning]

I don't see Tobirama winning only due to his lack of offense. With some fodder Edo - Tobirama easily wins.

Don't see him winning with Edo fodder either, especially in this location. In order for the tags to surround Juubito, Hashirama had to use wood constraints to stop him from easily evading it. How would Tobirama retrain Ay so that the tags hit him? And with regards to the locations, it's pretty small, he'd blow up the whole arena and possibly injure himself since there isn't much place to run.

I'm curious. Do you think Ay beats Minato in a fight with full intel then?

Make a separate thread for this matchup or pm me, then maybe I'll share my answer.

 

[Demonic.]

1. Tobirama not being Minato doesn't matter. He's already reacted to someone much faster than Ay and managed to tag him 5 times before he got half his body blown off. Minato doesn't even have a feat that compares when talking about reaction speed.

2. I never said he needed it prepped. Minato tossed a Kunai up above Ay's head when he came in for the blitz, from a shorter distance. Tobirama reacted to someone much faster than Ay. Combine that with the longer distance here and Ay is avoided with ease. If you are talking about the Kunai, we've already seen that Tobirama can mark his weapons with a touch, so not having it marked beforehand is irrelevant.

Lets drop this "Ay blitzes Tobirama" argument. Its ridiculous at best.

Ahahahahah. You schooled that NoobDebator. Or young Debator. Whatever he's calling himself nowadays.

 

[KidGamer65]

Its one thing reacting to him, its another reaching into his pouch, picking up a Kunai and throwing it a fair distance away and then using FTG. Minato was already in the process of throwing his Kunai when Ei went V2 and charged, Tobirama does not have the same luxury as not only does Ei not have to enter V2 (He can blitz off the bat), but Tobirama does not start off with anything in his hands or on the battlefield.

Bold is false.

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Ay is right in front of Minato and the Kunai is still in his hand. He tossed it up the moment Ay was in front of him. Yet you are telling me that from 40m, Tobirama can't grab a Kunai and toss it above Ay's head? (Which is not a fair distance away, it'll be just how Minato did it) Not to mention the distance was no where near as large as it is for this thread.

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isn't anywhere near 40m. Tobirama reacted to Juubito (Far faster than Ay) from a similar

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and tagged him 5 times (

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and 1 Hiraishin Formula) He definitely pulled those bombs out of somewhere.

Like I said, Tobirama reacting to Ay is child's play.

 

[Rιver]

Hm... I didn't know E was faster than Obito in his jinchūriki form.​

 

[TRE MERCER]

1. Tobirama not being Minato doesn't matter. He's already reacted to someone much faster than Ay and managed to tag him 5 times before he got half his body blown off. Minato doesn't even have a feat that compares when talking about reaction speed.

2. I never said he needed it prepped. Minato tossed a Kunai up above Ay's head when he came in for the blitz, from a shorter distance. Tobirama reacted to someone much faster than Ay. Combine that with the longer distance here and Ay is avoided with ease. If you are talking about the Kunai, we've already seen that Tobirama can mark his weapons with a touch, so not having it marked beforehand is irrelevant.

Lets drop this "Ay blitzes Tobirama" argument. Its ridiculous at best.

When did i ever say he was going to blitz him? At the cost of his own body yea he managed to do that. Tobirama lacks any offence to put him down. That slicing water tech (I forget what it's called) Isn't going to do much since Raikage already tanked something with better piercing force.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Bold is false.

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Ay is right in front of Minato and the Kunai is still in his hand. He tossed it up the moment Ay was in front of him. Yet you are telling me that from 40m, Tobirama can't grab a Kunai and toss it above Ay's head? (Which is not a fair distance away, it'll be just how Minato did it) Not to mention the distance was no where near as large as it is for this thread.

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isn't anywhere near 40m. Tobirama reacted to Juubito (Far faster than Ay) from a similar

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and tagged him 5 times (

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and 1 Hiraishin Formula) He definitely pulled those bombs out of somewhere.

Like I said, Tobirama reacting to Ay is child's play.

Reacting to Ay isn't the problem. It's how many times can he keep reacting to Ay without wearing himself out, especially with less number of markings. Ay was confident in himself at he could anticipate whatever marker minato may teleport to next, and considering Tobirama doesn't have over 2 dozen prepped kunai that he can throw out at once, Ay won't have too much problem anticipating which marker he may pop up at. I also dont see Tobirama evading v2 without the use of FTG.

And the big question is still what does Tobirama hurt him with. Severing wave ain't touching or doing squat to Ay.

 

[KidGamer65]

At the cost of his own body yea he managed to do that.

Juubito>>>>>>>Ay in speed. So that's irrelevant.

Tobirama lacks any offence to put him down. That slicing water tech (I forget what it's called) Isn't going to do much since Raikage already tanked something with better piercing force.

From there it depends on if Suidanha from multiple clones, probably 4 or 5, all hitting Ay at once can breach his armor

Sure, maybe he can shrug off one, 4 or 5 or even more than that? No. Repeated uses of it? No.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Ahahahahah. You schooled that NoobDebator. Or young Debator. Whatever he's calling himself nowadays.

You want my attention? I mean every time i post you always got something to say but it's never about the debater .

There's Cars, Trains, Boats, Planes, Bikes, All that transportation but you choose to ride my d*ck.

 

[Demonic.]

You want my attention? I mean every time i post you always got something to say but it's never about the debater .

There's Cars, Trains, Boats, Planes, Bikes, All that transportation but you choose to ride my d*ck.

Well don't post dumbass sh*t

@Bold: Mind if I quote

 

[KidGamer65]

Reacting to Ay isn't the problem. It's how many times can he keep reacting to Ay without wearing himself out, especially with less number of markings. Ay was confident in himself at he could anticipate whatever marker minato may teleport to next, and considering Tobirama doesn't have over 2 dozen prepped kunai that he can throw out at once, Ay won't have too much problem anticipating which marker he may pop up at. I also dont see Tobirama evading v2 without the use of FTG.

Wearing himself out? There is no stamina issue that needs to be worried about here, not when we are talking about him teleporting himself around and not any large objects or beings like Kurama.

Ay being confident doesn't really mean much here. Minato was able to toss a Kunai above his head and teleport away all when Ay was right in front of him. There is no way he would have ever touched him, and Tobirama's lesser amount of markings doesn't matter either as he's already physically and mentally reacted to Juubito, far faster than Ay. Ay can try to blitz as many times as he wants to, but Tobirama will evade every single time. Clones can also be teleported to, taking the place of the markings he doesn't have.

And Ay's goal wasn't to anticipate where Minato would show up. He said he'd use his speed to take Minato out the moment he reappeared at one of his marks, but he'd still need to be fast enough to do so. Not to mention the distance between Ay and the markings Minato set up wasn't that large. Won't be the case here.

And the big question is still what does Tobirama hurt him with. Severing wave ain't touching or doing squat to Ay.

I've already mentioned how its going to land on him, and one isn't going to do anything to him. Multiple uses of it from more than one Tobirama at a time (via clones) will most likely do something to him.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Wearing himself out? There is no stamina issue that needs to be worried about here, not when we are talking about him teleporting himself around and not any large objects or beings like Kurama.

Ay being confident doesn't really mean much here. Minato was able to toss a Kunai above his head and teleport away all when Ay was right in front of him. There is no way he would have ever touched him, and Tobirama's lesser amount of markings doesn't matter either as he's already physically and mentally reacted to Juubito, far faster than Ay. Ay can try to blitz as many times as he wants to, but Tobirama will evade every single time. Clones can also be teleported to, taking the place of the markings he doesn't have.

And Ay's goal wasn't to anticipate where Minato would show up. He said he'd use his speed to take Minato out the moment he reappeared at one of his marks, but he'd still need to be fast enough to do so. Not to mention the distance between Ay and the markings Minato set up wasn't that large. Won't be the case here.

I've already mentioned how its going to land on him, and one isn't going to do anything to him. Multiple uses of it from more than one Tobirama at a time (via clones) will most likely do something to him.

Pls tell me how water is gonna hit him, because I can't see where you mentioned it. If chidori barely did anything to hit, which has superior cutting power, then sorry but severing isn't doing anything. Sorry but severing wave isn't doing squat to him, especially not in v2.

It's not just about Ay being confident, kishi wouldn't even have bothered writing that part if he didn't beleive Ay could do it. If Ay continuously moves at top speed across every marking that Tobirama has (which is even easier and quicker for Ay to move around to, due to less markings) then he will eventually hit Tobirama. Doesn't matter how good tobiramas reflexes are, all Ay has to do is guess the right marker once by moving non stop at top speed, and as Tobirama immediately appears, there'd be absolutely no time to even react with FTG again. The location isn't even a large battlefield, so explain why the markings will be much larger here?

Clones are useless, they'll get blitzed in an instant because their FTG is slower, so even if they can react on time, the jutsu won't initiate on time. Oh and Tobirama sacrificing his body to attack his opponent means squat to me, since he still got utterly annihilated. All he did was take advantage if his immortal body. Using that example in he his scenario is meaningless to me since all that tells me is that sacrifice was needed to do that, something I'm sure other fast ninja could've done.