[Discussion] Kishi plot blocks the main characters

Rikodou Juubi · Aug 16, 2014

Ok b4 u go attacking in the comments, think about this. Naruto and Sasuke could have both dies in part 1 of naruto. PART 1! Here are some moments when Naruto and Sasuke were saved by plot.

Naruto

Summoning Gamabunta: Last second summon

Against Kimmimaro: He might have died....maybe.

Against Pain: Nine tails rampage was awfully convenient

Madara: Obito had just turned good early enough for Naruto to be healed and given bijuu.

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Feel free to add more down below.

Sasuke

Against part 1 Orichimaru: He could've easily taken the sharingan and then kill him.

Against Deidara: Has no chakra but somehow summons Manda

Killer Bee: The so called "useless" team taka saved him like 4 times. Killer Bee could have killed him from the start.

5 Kage Summit: That was just a major asspull. R u telling me that MS Sasuke could take on 3 kage. Ay, Danzo, and Gaara.

Danzo: All that spamming seemed to work in Sasuke's favor. Plus he didn't use Shisui's eye.

Madara: He was stabbed in the heart. THE FRICKIN HEART! Unless Kabuto gave him a new one, Sasuke is a walking zombie.

If I missed any then tell me down below and I will probably add them.

I am not a hater of these two characters. I am a huge fan of both Lord Sasuke and Lord Naruto. They kick as*. What I'm saying is that the main and strongest characters in the series shouldn't be getting some much plot protection. If anything it should be their enemies getting the protection. Anyway leave your thoughts down below.

Im Still Robin · Aug 16, 2014

You and I know very well Naruto shii goes waaay higher than anyone else.

ultraChalk · Aug 16, 2014

Well of course they've been saved by plot... they're MCs

And this happens more often than you think in manga, where side chars eventually get pushed to the back. Not like they can do anything right now, and at least Kishi made it reasonable by plot for them to temporarily not have any relevance.

riley freeman · Aug 16, 2014

Yes, but they didnt

slaton02 · Aug 16, 2014

They have been weaker than their opponents that's why they need plot it's clear as day.

Name 3 high profile characters naruto and sasuke fought that was weaker than them at that time?

Kaguya is stronger
Madara was stronger
Obito was strong
Kabuto was stronger
Nagato was stronger
Danzo was stronger
Pain was stronger
Icould go on.

The Work · Aug 16, 2014

Isn't every manga plot like that?

Angelic. · Aug 16, 2014

uncle obito saves sasuke.

naruto would have died without restrictions against his enemies. obitos mask shouldnt have broke he shoulda used preta.

CloyEscapade · Aug 16, 2014

Danzo did use shisuis eye... He's alive practicing his susanoo in kamui land

Styles · Aug 16, 2014

Sasuke wasn't out of chakra vs Deidara he only had a real fight with Ay and Danzo he wasn't even worried about them either only Danzo.

Zealotic · Aug 16, 2014

CloyEscapade said:
Danzo did use shisuis eye... He's alive practicing his susanoo in kamui land

10/10 fanfic

so12p · Aug 16, 2014

The protagonist (MC) of the story is Naruto. The others are antagonists. Suckske is a side character whose sole purpose is for the development of the protagonist. Kishimoto needs to keep him alive long enough for Naruto to fully physically developed, which is through thwart arc IMO. After that, Kishimoto can kill off one side character and introduce a new one.

Naruto X Hunter · Aug 16, 2014

-How do you know he didn't have chakra to summon Manda? Sasuke willingly disactivated his Sharingan cause he thought Deidara was beaten,then Deidara launches some clay at him which Sasuke stopped by activating some lightining.Then Deidara did his suicide bomb thing which Sasuke countered by summoning Manda and using Sharingan Genjutsu to stop him.it was never said he was out of chakra.

-Sasuke couldn't beat all 5 Kages,which is why he didn't.Gaara saved him against the Raikage.When the Mizukage was attacking him,Zetsu gave him chakra,and Tobi saved him when the Tschikage was about to kill him.

-Sasuke forced Danzo to use Izanagi that much.If Danzo didn't then he would have died.Danzo couldn't use Shisui's eye cause he already use it earlier on Mifune during the Kage Summit.

-Naruto was able to summon Gamabunta cause his life was in danger.During situations where his life is in danger is when he is able to activate the Kyuubi's power.Jiraiya figured this out from talking to Naruto about the Kyuubi and Jiraiya purposefully put Naruto in a situation where he would have to use it in order to stay alive.

-Naruto went Kyuubi mode against Pain for obvoius reasons.As always whenever Naruto is really pissed he geos Kyuubi.This was the furtherst Naruto has been pushed so far in his life,hence the number of tails he had.Pain killed Jiraiya,Konoha was destroyed,Kakashi was killed,all the villages were hurt,and Hinata was seemingly just killed infront of him.

-Orochimaru could of killed Sasuke but didn't want to because he wanted Sasuke to develop more before he took his body.

-Sasuke could of died against KB and so could his team but they worked together and saved each other multiple times in that battle,and Sasuke never called them useless then,he cared for them.

obikage said:
uncle obito saves sasuke.

naruto would have died without restrictions against his enemies. obitos mask shouldnt have broke he shoulda used preta.

Obito wasn't expecting to get hit.Naruto completely surprised him,so Obito didn't have time to react.

so12p said:
The protagonist (MC) of the story is Naruto. The others are antagonists. Suckske is a side character whose sole purpose is for the development of the protagonist. Kishimoto needs to keep him alive long enough for Naruto to fully physically developed, which is through thwart arc IMO. After that, Kishimoto can kill off one side character and introduce a new one.

How many years have you been reading/watching Naruto and still don't know that Sasuke is the 2nd Main character?

There's more than one Main Character.Your bias against Sasuke can't change that.

Styles · Aug 16, 2014

so12p said:
The protagonist (MC) of the story is Naruto. The others are antagonists. Suckske is a side character whose sole purpose is for the development of the protagonist. Kishimoto needs to keep him alive long enough for Naruto to fully physically developed, which is through thwart arc IMO. After that, Kishimoto can kill off one side character and introduce a new one.

Sasuke is the 2nd main character Kakashi and Sakura are side characters.

Naruto X Hunter said:
How do you know he didn't have chakra to summon Manda? Sasuke willingly disactivated his Sharingan cause he thought Deidara was beaten,then Deidara launches some clay at him which Sasuke stopped by activating some lightining.Then Deidara did his suicide bomb thing which Sasuke countered by summoning Manda and using Sharingan Genjutsu to stop him.it was never said he was out of chakra.

Sasuke couldn't beat all 5 Kages,which is why he didn't.Gaara saves him against the Raikage.When the Mizukage was attacking him,Zetsu gave him chakra,and Tobi saved him when the Tschikage was about to kill him.

Sasuke forced Danzo to use Izanagi that much.If Danzo didn't then he would have died.

Naruto was able to summon Gamabunta cause his life was in danger.During situations where his life is in danger is when he is able to activate the Kyuubi's power.Jiraiya figured this out from talking to Naruto about the Kyuubi and Jiraiya purposefully out Naruto in a situation where he would have to use it in order to stay alive.

Naruto went Kyuubi mode against Pain for obvoius reasons.As always whenever Naruto is really pissed he geos Kyuubi.This was the furtherst Naruto has been pushed so far in his life,hence the number of tails he had.Pain killed Jiraiya,Konoha was destroyed,Kakashi was killed,all the villages were hurt,and Hinata was seemingly just killed infront of him.

Gaara actually saved the Raikage not Sasuke his words.

Naruto X Hunter · Aug 16, 2014

suzano said:
Sasuke is the 2nd main character Kakashi and Sakura are side characters.
Gaara actually saved the Raikage not Sasuke his words.

That's to be exact.But he also indirectly saved Sasuke by saving the Raikage.

LordRaikage · Aug 16, 2014

suzano said:
Sasuke is the 2nd main character Kakashi and Sakura are side characters.
Gaara actually saved the Raikage not Sasuke his words.

more like gaara saved sasuke.

so12p · Aug 16, 2014

Suckske is no more significant in the manga than suckuraw and Kakashi. I know that is hard for uchichi fans to grasp, but the manga is NOT called 'Naruto & Sasuke' nor 'The Boys of Team 7' and certainly never 'Sasuke Shippuden'.

In fact, Rock Lee has a spin-off and suckske does not, so Rock Lee fans have a legitimate argument that he is a more popular character than is suckske.

Naruto X Hunter · Aug 16, 2014

so12p said:
Suckske is no more significant in the manga than suckuraw and Kakashi. I know that is hard for uchichi fans to grasp, but the manga is NOT called 'Naruto & Sasuke' nor 'The Boys of Team 7' and certainly never 'Sasuke Shippuden'.

In fact, Rock Lee has a spin-off and suckske does not, so Rock Lee fans have a legitimate argument that he is a more popular character than is suckske.

Rock Lee has a spin off specifically because he's a side character who deosn't get much screen time.Also,have you ever seen those manga pages that have a character popularity poll in them? Lee was never above Sasuke.If he was then surely he would of gotten more screen time.

How can you be so biased against Sasuke that you don't think he's the 2nd main character? It deosn't matter what fan group you're categorized as,it's obvoius that Sasuke is the 2nd main character,and it's a fact.

If Sakura and Kakashi was more useful then Sasuke then how come the Sage didn't give them his power? How come they can't Seal Kaguya?

This came out in chapter 533