complete sage mode vs eternal mangekyo

[TRE MERCER]

Current naruto basically. Rikudou Sage mode.

Against an EMS how is that fair? This should be strictly regular sage modes like Naruto basic toad sm and Hashirama mokuton sm.

 

[ARGUS]

If sm is equivalent to ems,
rikudo sage mode is equivalent rikudo ems, which is another way of saying rinnegan,
so ems>sm,
rinnegan>rsm

No,,
RSM is equivalent to Rinnegan, or even most likely RSM > Rinnegan, if we go by current naruto and sasuke
therefore RSM >>> EMS,
RSM Naruto shits on all the EMS users together

 

[TRE MERCER]

No,,
RSM is equivalent to Rinnegan, or even most likely RSM > Rinnegan, if we go by current naruto and sasuke
therefore RSM >>> EMS,
RSM Naruto shits on all the EMS users together

No Sasuke is just showing some Rinnegan tech if you include Kaguya's and Madara's RSM get blown to oblivion.

 

[genii96]

Asura=indra

Rsm naruto>post power up ems sasuke
sm hashi>ems madara
dsm kabuto>pre power up ems sasuke

incomplete sm jiraiya>ms itachi/ms sasuke

pre powerup sm naruto however,is the weakling in sm users.
However
shisui>any sm user bar asura and current naruto
kakashi/dms obito,same as above


Depends on the users however.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Asura=indra

Rsm naruto>post power up ems sasuke
sm hashi>ems madara
dsm kabuto>pre power up ems sasuke

incomplete sm jiraiya>ms itachi/ms sasuke

pre powerup sm naruto however,is the weakling in sm users.
However
shisui>any sm user bar asura and current naruto
kakashi/dms obito,same as above


Depends on the users however.

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[genii96]

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what?,he beats themU_U

 

[Bronze]

EMS is superior in every aspect: Better reading movements, stronger techniques, grants space-time Ninjutsu, and undefeated Genjutsu.
The characters who wield EMS are even stronger than the ones with SM.

EMS Madara > SM Hashirama.
EMS Sasuke > SM Naruto.​

 

[lucario14]

No,,
RSM is equivalent to Rinnegan, or even most likely RSM > Rinnegan, if we go by current naruto and sasuke
therefore RSM >>> EMS,
RSM Naruto shits on all the EMS users together

No lol rinnegan>rsm if we go by current naruto and sasuke. It just so happens that naruto has the power of the 9 bijuu as well so current naruto>current sasuke but,
Current sasuke>rsm naruto no bijuu. I don't recall bijuu in the op.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Sage mode has clearly been portrayed as superior

Hashirama steam rolled over EMS madara with kyuubi without the killer intent
Kabuto would have fodder-stomped EMS sasuke without itachi there

 

[V h o]

Against an EMS how is that fair? This should be strictly regular sage modes like Naruto basic toad sm and Hashirama mokuton sm.

Technically it is sage mode, although it would be a stomp. Before I did say it depends on whose sage mode is being compared since sage mode at its basis is just a power to existing skills, albeit a large power up.

 

[Sound]

SM on par with Hashirama easily.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

SM
-Increased taijutsu, ninjutsu and genjutsu power
-Sensing
-Durability
-Last for about 5 minutes


EMS
- PS or atleast legged susanoo
-2 extra skills
-OP genjutsu
-Increased chakra reserve
-Better body movement
-Last as long as the user has chakra to keep it on

EMS>>>>SM
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Regarding your assertation of EMS...

-Yup
-Wait, what are EMS's two additional abilities?
-The genjutsu should remain the same as normal.
-Why increased chakra?
-Why better body movement?
-That's how the regular MS works too.

Sage mode has clearly been portrayed as superior

Hashirama steam rolled over EMS madara with kyuubi without the killer intent
Kabuto would have fodder-stomped EMS sasuke without itachi there

This is true, other factors aside.

The manga has expressed that MS & SM are equal.

 

[SuperChief]

Are people seriously going to disregard that the strongest EMS user was put down by a SM user?

 

[WalksInShadows]

Sage mode has clearly been portrayed as superior

Hashirama steam rolled over EMS madara with kyuubi without the killer intent
Kabuto would have fodder-stomped EMS sasuke without itachi there

that's not how it happened. That senjutsu atk only destroyed Madara's PS parts and his own armor. That fight was ultimately decided by a clone feint. There was no steam rolling done to Madara.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

that's not how it happened. That senjutsu atk only destroyed Madara's PS parts and his own armor. That fight was ultimately decided by a clone feint. There was no steam rolling done to Madara.

Senjutsu Buddha = Perfect Susanoo armored 100% Kurama.

Now take Kurama away from Madara and let's see what happens...

 

[loadsamoney]

EMS is superior in every aspect: Better reading movements, stronger techniques, grants space-time Ninjutsu, and undefeated Genjutsu.
The characters who wield EMS are even stronger than the ones with SM.

EMS Madara > SM Hashirama.
EMS Sasuke > SM Naruto.​

it's clearly been shown that

ems madara < sm hashirama
and

ems sasuke = sm naruto

shitface

also kabuto gave both edo itachi and ems sasuke some problems

 

[Jimihendrix]

EMS defecates.

how does sage beat PS?!

it's already been shown... SS... in canon too

 

[Jimihendrix]

SM Hashi beat EMS Madara

In a 1v1 DSM Kabuto beats EMS Sasuke

Naruto's current Sage Mode stomped Juubi Jib Madz

EDIT: Rikoudu Sage Mode is base Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke is Rinnegan Sasuke, then Bijuu Rikoudu Sage Mode is the mode he's using now--RSM + BM

Rinnegan Sasuke should theoretically be equal to RSM Naruto because of the ying/yang split from the sage. And this honestly explains why Naruto is doing better than Sasuke in this fight--Naruto went Super Saiyan 2 (because of the RSM/ying+BM) while Sasuke is still on Super Saiyan 1 (only Rinnegen/yang)

It's like how BM is greater than or equal to EMS when BSM >> Ems