Kamui =/=victory

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Except the OP is right in this case. So you are trapped for eternity and starve to death. This means Obito can't use Kamui for battle ever again until his opponent starves to death..

And from where have you got this idea, he absorbed sasuke and karin, and then sent danzo's bodyguards to a different location in his dimension and used kamui himself

He can decide where will anyone or anything appears including himself, against kakashi he wasnt right in the head

 

[Deadai]

So just the mere fact that people think winner of a 1 vs 1 fight where the goal is to kill each other = the person who TELEPORTED (not beaten) but moved to an another location annoys me.


Sealining isn't used on living ninja to beat them. Also sealing occurs on the battlefield, Sealing would be like me putting someone in a submission move, or tying up someone.

Wait, is this thread serious? or just being a mister sneaky sneaky.

This is the world of Ninja's they don't have a code of honor poisoning, mind games, lies these are ways you can defeat an enemy. It's not solely based on straight out killing the enemy.

 

[HiddenSound]

"jutsu" "jutsu" jutsu is simply a technique, nothing more than that. I don't see how if its your jutsu = your win..

And also, technically it can be their victory also. However, in a 1 vs 1 duel that would be considered a tie to the battle, unless Obito goes into the dimension to attack the person.

Fū and Torune would disagree.

No it's not. Unless the person is incapacitated. Once Obito warps inside Kamui, remember that Rasengan to the face he took from Naruto's shadow clone? That will happen. So you can't call it a victory unless the person is knocked out.

Not necessarily. He got rid of Torune, then did the same with Fū, and nothing ever happened to him after that fight.

 

[KingHashirama]

I can't tell if you are being serious anymore, or just being a mister sneaky sneaky.

hmmm did you read the part after that?

Fū and Torune would disagree.

they got put into a genjutsu.

Obito went to deal with them in the kamui dimension, what i'm talking about is, simply leaving the person there.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

its not eliminating the threat.. in a 1 vs 1 fight to find out who is the strongest... it'd be called avoiding the threat. Remember Kakashi vs Obito?? That was to find out who was the strongest.

Everytime Obito was in a fight, and "kamui" was mentioned as a reason for victory, it was usually on a objective basis. But not on a 1 vs 1 to determine who is the stronger on.

And they really aren't at your mercy, that would require them to beg. However, if that person takes their own life, you never were the winner mate. It can be taken that you avoided the fight, and the person got bored and commit suicide for you to use the technique again.

If someone is trapped in Kamui Obito will deal with them later on as shown with Torune and Fu,so yes that person is at Obito's mercy because only he can let them out.That person will have no idea when or where Obito will come to finish them off.

 

[Umari Senju]

And from where have you got this idea, he absorbed sasuke and karin, and then sent danzo's bodyguards to a different location in his dimension and used kamui himself

He can decide where will anyone or anything appears including himself, against kakashi he wasnt right in the head

Then why didn't he do this when he fought against Kakashi and Naruto? I don't think that's how it worked. And who's to say Tarune was not in the same vicinity as Karin and Sasuke. Just because he wasn't shown doesn't mean he wasn't there.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Then why didn't he do this when he fought against Kakashi and Naruto? I don't think that's how it worked. And who's to say Tarune was not in the same vicinity as Karin and Sasuke. Just because he wasn't shown doesn't mean he wasn't there.

Kamui has been shown to have different areas,otherwise Sakura and Naruto would be stuck with Minato's arm floating around.

 

[HiddenSound]

hmmm did you read the part after that?



they got put into a genjutsu.

Obito went to deal with them in the kamui dimension, what i'm talking about is, simply leaving the person there.

So it seems. Still, a person needs to eat and drink. Kamui is like forcibly starving the person to death.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Are we talking about rules from NV. Cause clearly 0 VS threads follow rules form NV.

There are no rules in NV, you do whatever you have to do to win, your opponent dies you win, its as simple as that, no imaginary referee is going to come and scream foul

If Obito was to teleport Naruto that would take Naruto out of the game. And clearly they didn't know at that point they could go and retrieve Naruto.

and that counts as win for obito, again no referee is going to come and scream foul

And again this is my opinion no need to get hurt over it. And not really, that person died because he didn't ahve anything to drink. But if you had fought that person in that dimension you would've been killed.

There is nothing to drink, you cant have a life time of water in your pocket and you will run out of chakra so no magic self made water

Then why didn't he do this when he fought against Kakashi and Naruto? I don't think that's how it worked. And who's to say Tarune was not in the same vicinity as Karin and Sasuke. Just because he wasn't shown doesn't mean he wasn't there.

he wasnt there and neither was torune, it was shown, if they were they would have tried attacking obito

obito was mentally disturbed or plot no jutsu, pick one

 

[KingHashirama]

If someone is trapped in Kamui Obito will deal with them later on as shown with Torune and Fuu,so yes that person is at Obito's mercy because only he can let them out.That person will have no idea when or where Obito will come to finish them off.

mercy : compassion or forgiveness shown toward someone whom it is within one's power to punish or harm.

^^^ Though one can say the same for Obito. Obito is at the mercy of the opponent and hence why he avoids the fight. Again yo being at someone's mercy requires both sides, the one needing the mercy, and the other giving the mercy. If the opponent isn't even looking for OBito's mercy, then he is not at Obito's mercy.

And I already said if obito is to go back into the dimension and fight the opponent then yes it is a fight.. however, if he leaves them there.. and they die due to a natural cause.. then that is not Obito's win. Its a loss for both.

There are no rules in NV, you do whatever you have to do to win, your opponent dies you win, its as simple as that, no imaginary referee is going to come and scream foul



and that counts as win for obito, again no referee is going to come and scream foul, that was



There is nothing to drink, you cant have a life time of water in your pocket and you will run out of chakra so no magic self made water

Yea? So how come when it was a shinobi kamute, to determine who is the stronger one between him and kakashi.. why didn't Obito leave him there ? BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN HE IS AVOIDING THE FIGHT... lol you can prove your skills against someone if you never even fight that person.

Again, its funny you are bringing in NV into this.. when Shinobi kamute mano e mano is about proving skills.. =]

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

mercy : compassion or forgiveness shown toward someone whom it is within one's power to punish or harm.

^^^ Though one can say the same for Obito. Obito is at the mercy of the opponent and hence why he avoids the fight. Again yo being at someone's mercy requires both sides, the one needing the mercy, and the other giving the mercy. If the opponent isn't even looking for OBito's mercy, then he is not at Obito's mercy.

And I already said if obito is to go back into the dimension and fight the opponent then yes it is a fight.. however, if he leaves them there.. and they die due to a natural cause.. then that is not Obito's win. Its a loss for both.

Being at someone's mercy means your fate is in their hands,anyone trapped in Kamui has their fate literally depend on whether or not Obito is in a good mood to release them.

 

[Ambivalence]

I disagree, Kamui is but a means to end a fight, and since it's Obito's best resource, why shouldn't he use it? He's not avoiding a fight, else he wouldn't be in one in the first place. If his enemy gets caught in the technique it's because Obito was the better fighter, and it means they've lost the fight. From what Obito said, it seems he also keeps his victims in Kamui-world under a genjutsu (as evidenced when he brought back Torune), so he can probably just end it whenever he wants.

 

[KingHashirama]

Wellt hank you alll for discussing XD , i shall take my leave now. In the end it is simply the prespective of how we view mano e mano fights. I'm more into proving yourself to be the strongest, while most of you are about winning no matter what. Simply difference in opinion.

Being at someone's mercy means your fate is in their hands,anyone trapped in Kamui has their fate literally depend on whether or not Obito is in a good mood to release them.

Not really, simply killing yourself = fate in your own hand. Again dude, it requires 2 sides, if i'm not even looking for your forgiveness or mercy.. sure you can come and release me.. but you are gonna be killed when you do..

 

[Deadai]

Wellt hank you alll for discussing XD , i shall take my leave now.



Not really, simply killing yourself = fate in your own hand. Again dude, it requires 2 sides, if i'm not even looking for your forgiveness or mercy.. sure you can come and release me.. but you are gonna be killed when you do..

Than that's Obito's victory as well

if you are forced to commit suicide because you have no other way to escape the enemy's trap.

 

[KingHashirama]

Than that's Obito's victory as well

if you are forced to commit suicide because you have no other way to escape the enemy's trap.

Not really. I wasn't forced i chose to. Because some dude was being a ***** and couldn't face me.

Agian bro my last reply is to you, its simply about how you precieve as the winner of the fight.]

Its like saying you got some disease from a dude in the fight.. later on in 1 a day or 2 you happen to die and then are you gonna claim the dude killed you? when you were completly annihialating him before he ran away? or are you gonna saythe disease killed you?

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Yea? So how come when it was a shinobi kamute, to determine who is the stronger one between him and kakashi.. why didn't Obito leave him there ? BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN HE IS AVOIDING THE FIGHT... lol you can prove your skills against someone if you never even fight that person.

I dont know whether you have noticed or not, but kakashi also has kamui and can escape out of kamui, obito found this out when he absorbed kakashi and left him there and didnt even bother to go near him anymore

Had kakashi not have it, obito would have left him there

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Again, its funny you are bringing in NV into this.. when Shinobi kamute mano e mano is about proving skills.. =]

That flashback fight was friendly spar, with minato as a referee who stopped kakashi from shoving the kunai into obito

Fights to death dont have a referee stopping some one from killing someone

 

[Solog0d]

Actually. obitos kamui is far better then kakashi's.

 

[KingHashirama]

I dont know whether you have noticed or not, but kakashi also has kamui and can escape out of kamui, obito found this out when he absorbed kakashi and left him there and didnt even bother to go near him anymore

Had kakashi not have it, obito would have left him there

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That flashback fight was friendly spar, with minato as a referee who stopped kakashi from shoving the kunai into obito

Fights to death dont have a referee stopping some one from killing someone

Hmmm many fights to death have referees to determine who is the stronger one. Read history of warrior groups and you'll know.

And no i'm referring to where Kakashi proved he is more skilled than Obito. That was a shinobi kamute, 1 vs 1 to prove who is the best.

 

[obito uzumaki]

Ok I usually see people talking about Obito can Kamui so and so and then win. However, the only version of Kamui that allows obito to win in a fight is the one that Kakashi has.

So with just his normal kamui, even if he were to transport someone to the other dimension.. he really doesn't win the fight at all.

Its like Minato taking you to top of the mountain and then coming back down and saying he won. Even though he simply avoided the fight.

SO, IMO teleporting someone into a different place =/= Winning. Especially when the goal of the fight is to kill/ defeat your opponent.

Also, when obito teleports someone to his dimension.. doesn't that just mean he can't use the kamui again?

Kamui is best ms technique .enemy cant able to touch obito.then how they able to win .obito not wraps them into his dimension he also puts them in genjustu as like (itachi did to kakashi )with his genjutsu he can able kill enemy in an instant (see obito said about danzo dogs) .n alaso n also if obito just put them in kamui dimension as he did to sasuke sakura naruto n kakashi without using genjutsu to control them they will have a painful death without eating or drinking water this the best way of killing a enemy .shinobi rules victory depends on enemys deathit doesnt mean when n how .so obito kamui is POWERFUL THAN ANYOTHER

 

[Bling Kai]

Kamui someone and then bring them out into the middle of the ocean, or middle of the desert. Depending on who that person is, they will die within a few days or even hours. So Kamui can secure a victory.
Don't underestimate Kamui, it was shown that Kamui can even travel between the world of the dead and the living, teleport a living person to the world of the dead and lets see what happens.

No that kamui warping from the dead garbage is an illogical plot hole.