[Theory] The True Origin of the Rinnegan : Sobojo

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The Rinnegan : The strongest Doujutsu in existence. It is considered a gift by the Gods. This gift can either be used to bring Peace or be used to bring War. Yet, this Godly Gift has only been awakened by Two People : Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki and Madara Uchiha.


1) Introduction :-

Before, I start, I am basing this theory on an Prediction that I made. In that Prediction, I gave a sequence of events of the Rinnegan's History but I never gave any evidence to support it. But, this theory will give you that evidence.

So, to start off, this is the Prediction :

Via this prediction, I wanted to emphasize on these following Points :-

A) Only one pair of Rinnegan exists in the Naruto Verse.

B) That Rinnegan's true and original wielder is Sobojo, the Tengu God of Destruction.

C) Everybody who had the Rinnegan : Hagoromo, Madara, Obito and Nagato had transplanted Sobojo's Rinnegan within them.

D) Sobojo's eyes were preserved and kept on switching hosts for centuries as a source of power :-

Sobojo < Kaguya < Hagoromo < Indra < Sealed in Uchiha Stone Tablet < Izuna < Madara < Nagato < Obito/Zetsu < Madara/Kaguya < Finally should return to Sobojo.

Note: This Theory is heavily based off that prediction. As such, you won't get the Theory if you don't read the Prediction first.

Now, I will start off with the evidences :-

2) The Gedo Mazou Inconsistency :-

We know that the Gedo Mazou was the Shell of the Juubi.

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And that Hagoromo created or re-created the moon via Chibaku Tensei, A Rinnegan Technique to seal Gedo Mazou.

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But, by that point of time, Hagoromo was the only person with the Rinnegan. He was the first person to ever awaken it.

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(Hagoromo was the first person to ever awaken Rinnegan)

As, such it makes sense, that Hagoromo would base the Moon Seal on Gedo Mazou on his Rinnegan, his own eyes to ensure that nobody would break the seal and revive the Ten-Tails.

Even, if someone awakened the Rinnegan after Hagoromo, he will not be able to summon Gedo Mazou because the Key to the seal is Hagoromo's eyes or his Rinnegan, not another Rinnegan awakened by someone else.

Yet, Madara is able to break the seal and summon Gedo Mazou with his own Rinnegan.

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Not to mention, Madara's Rinnegan is the only thing that can summon the Gedo Mazou.

A) Obito took Madara's Left Rinnegan for the sole purpose of summoning the Gedo Mazou from the moon. He was not able to summon Gedo Mazou with his Sharingan.

B) Madara was only able to summon the Gedo Mazou when he got his Right Rinnegan back, not before that.

Madara was not able to summon Gedo Mazou with his Fake Edo Rinnegan. He was only able to summon it after getting the Real Rinnegan.

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So, the Seal is based on Hagoromo's Rinnegan and only Madara's Rinnegan can break it. Nobody ever awakened the Rinnegan before Hagoromo. So why does this happen ?

Unless of course, you believe that "Madara was using Hagoromo's Rinnegan or he had transplanted Hagoromo's Rinnegan"

How Madara got Hagoromo's Rinnegan is already explained in the Prediction link given in the intro section.

3) The Legacies of Hagoromo :-

After Hagoromo died, he left behind two legacies : The Rinnegan and the Nine Bijuu.

The Nine Bijuu were used by Ashura and he became thier Jinchuriki similar to Naruto.

Indra on the other hand to compete with Ashura, took Hagoromo's Rinnegan and transplanted it within him.

And we see Indra with the Spiral Rinnegan :-

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You may go further and say by transplanting Hagoromo's Rinnegan, he was able to awaken EMS.

4) Hashirama's Wood Release :-

According to the prediction, The Shinju has the power to seal Sobojo's Power.

Looking at Veritas's theory, you will notice that Hashirama's Wood Release is extremely similar to the Shinju's abilities.

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I personally believe that Hashirama's Wood Release came directly from the Shinju.

Now, while you may say that Ashura + Indra = Rinnegan, Madara actually didn't want Ashura Chakra.

His real goal was Hashirama's Wood Release. Why ?

Madara was actually not able to control Sobojo's Rinnegan powers similar to how Obito was not able to control Dual Rinnegan.

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(The above scan shows how powerful Sobojo's Rinnegan is. It can actually make you mad with it's power.)

So, he used Hashirama's Wood Release, the Shinju's power to seal Sobojo's Rinnegan powers.

Similar to how the Shinju was able to seal Sobojo in it's fruit.

And Madara is able to awaken a controlled version of Sobojo's Rinnegan.

Real requirement of Rinnegan ?

In the manga and according to everyone; there are two ways of awakening Rinnegan.

The First method : Uchiha DNA + Senju DNA = Rinnegan. This is what Madara said leads to awakening of Rinnegan.

Obito had both Uchiha and Senju DNA; i.e; His own Uchiha DNA and Hashirama Zetsu Clone DNA.

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Yet, he never awakens the Rinnegan. He is forced to use Madara's Rinnegan instead. As, such the validity of Madara's statement is questionable.

The Second method : Ashura Chakra + Indra Chakra = Rinnegan. This is what Hagoromo is implied to say.

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The big question is was Hagoromo even referencing to the Rinnegan ? Nope.

He was referencing to the Shinju's power. If you get Indra and Ashura Chakra; you get close to Hagoromo or to be more specific Kaguya's power.

And we already know that Kaguya was one with the Shinju.

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As, such if you combine Ashura + Indra chakra; you will come close to Kaguya or the Shinju's power. Since Hagoromo was the Shinju's Jinchuriki; Hagoromo's power is the Shinju's power.

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Madara even states that he got Hagoromo's power by becoming the Shinju's jinchuriki.

Moving on both Naruto and Sauske got Hagoromo's Power in the form of Sun and Moon Seals.

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But, Naruto never awakened the Rinnegan.

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Sauske did awaken the Rinnegan according to Madara.

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But Hagoromo calls Sauske's Eye which is similar to the Juubi's eye a Sharingan, not Rinnegan.

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As far as I can tell either it is an upgraded version of the Sharingan or it is a completely different eye power altogether.

So, in the end; the validity of this point is either based on Hearsay or is obscure.

Combining both Methods :-

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Black Zetsu does many experiments and is able to fuse Senju DNA and Uchiha DNA as well as Indra Chakra and Ashura Chakra.

Here Black Zetsu stresses on Uchiha, Senju, Indra and Ashura. He was able to fulfill both conditions of the Rinnegan.

Yet, none of these people awakened Rinnegan. Referencing to Black Zetsu's failure every time.

As, such we see that the validity of both methods to awakening Rinnegan is uncertain.

So, why does nobody awaken the Rinnegan ? Well, it's because Rinnegan can never be awakened. Only one pair of Rinnegan exists in NV. As such, the only way to get the Rinnegan's power is by transplanting Sobojo's Rinnegan.

Only Madara and Hashirama were special according to Black Zetsu and were the stepping stones to his Mother's revival.

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If Madara had Sobojo's Rinnegan and Hashirama's Wood Release was a control for the Rinnegan; it would make sense.

5) Izuna's Corruption :-

According to the timeline, Izuna obtained Sobojo's Rinnegan before Madara.

Tying with point-4; since he lacked Wood Release, he was not able to control Sobojo's Rinnegan.

In the end, he was consumed by Sobojo's power and as such he became obessed with freeing Sobojo and agreed to co-operate with Black Zetsu.

This is where Izuna's story spirals off in another direction from this theory. You may get the specifics of Izuna's co-operation and his obession with Sobojo in the Edit-Section of this Theory :

6) Madara's Edo Rinne Tensei :-

Rinne Tensei is an Outer Path Rinnegan technique and is so powerful that it can revive the dead.

So, powerful that it can actually re-create Madara's artificial Edo Body into a real body.

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But, Rinne Tensei was not able to re-create Madara's Rinnegan as his fake Rinnegan shattered.

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So, why ? If Madara had a normal Sharingan, it would have been re-created. This also works with other Edos being Rinne-tenseid. Everything gets re-created. So, why did Madara's Rinnegan shatter ?

Unless of course, we believe that Madara's Rinnegan was Sobojo's Rinnegan.

As only one pair of Rinnegan (Namely Sobojo's) exists in NV, it cannot be duplicated via Rinne-Tensei due to it's power.

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When Madara Edo Body was revived; his Rinnegan shattered, but not his body. Manga says his Rinnegan was already existing and was thus not re-created. But at the same time, his Body was also existing as his Corpse (Where from Kabuto got Madara's DNA.). As, such even his body should also have shattered. But, this didn't happen.

7) The Fear Factor of the Rinnegan :-

There have been many instances where the Rinnegan has instilled fear in People's hearts.

Naruto getting Scared by the Rinnegan's power.

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Kakashi losing his concentration due to the Rinnegan.

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The Shinju getting agitated due to the Rinnegan's presence.

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Sakura getting scared by Madara's Dual Rinnegan.

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And Obito's statements.

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All the above point out that the Rinnegan instills Fear and is a source of Enormous Power. So much so, that the Rinnegan seems to be a Daemonic Power.

Or to be more Specific Sobojo's Daemonic power is his Rinnegan which instills fear and Corruption in anyone's hearts who comes near his Rinnegan.

Sobojo is the Tengu God of Corruption and Destruction, so it fits very nicely.

8) Madara's Redemption and further plot points :-

I don't think that Kaguya is the Final Villian. Eventually she will be sealed and Madara will make a comeback with even more power.

Madara's only purpose after this would be to defeat Naruto and Sauske and trap them in Infinite Tskyumoni. But, after Infinite Tskyumoi ends, Madara's character will come to a close as his goals were achieved.

Considering he was a Major Villain, he must have an Redemption and leave a lasting impact on the story (Similar to Obito).

Once, Infinite Tskyumoni ends, The Shinju's fruit will ripen and Sobojo will be released. After this, he will obviously try to retrieve his Rinnegan (With Madara) in order to awaken his full powers.

But instead of giving them to Sobojo, Madara sacrifices his life by giving his Rinnegan away to Naruto and Sauske and as such, redeeming his character.

By giving away Sobojo's Rinnegan to Naruto and Sauske; Madara is able to delay Sobojo's rise to power.

Obviously, this sparks off a war in which Sobojo along with Kaguya and the White Zetsu Army fights against the Narutoverse's remaining forces which May include the Six Realms i.e; Gods, Ashuras, Animals, Ghosts, Narakas and Humans to obtain his Rinnegan.

Rinnegan Wielders :-

If Sobojo's Rinnegan were to be stopped taken away by Sobojo, it would make sense to transplant the Rinnegans. So, who would agree to transplant Sobojo's Rinnegan ?

The Possibilities are : Naruto and Sauske (Pretty Doubtful) or two new characters.

9) Why include Sobojo ?

If you do believe that only one pair of Rinnegan exists; then why did I bring Sobojo into this ? I could have very well said that Hagoromo was born with the Rinnegan and not even have bothered with Sobojo. But this logic has a few problems with it.

We know that Kaguya gave birth to three sons; Hagoromo, Hamura and Black Zetsu.

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According to the timeline; Hagoromo and Hamura were born before Black Zetsu. (Perhaps Hagoromo and Hamura were twins ?)

But only Hagoromo is born with the Rinnegan; Hamura is instead born with the Byakugan.

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Why is this so ? If Hagoromo was Kaguya's son and was born with the Rinnegan, then why wasn't Hamura born with the Rinnegan ? If Hagoromo was born with the Rinnegan; he would have far surpassed Hamura in terms of power and this would have led to conflict and not co-operation between the two.

Hagoromo's Rinnegan origin ?

Where did Hagoromo's Rinnegan originate from ?The Rinnegan could have neither originated from Kaguya or the Shinju. At the most, I could say it originated from the Shinju's Fruit. But it still doesn't explain why Hamura was not born with the Rinnegan.
Unless, we believe that both Hagoromo and Hamura were born with the Byakugan. It actually makes sense as the Byakugan was Kaguya's bloodline and it will pass on to her Sons.

The Byakugan is also similar to Black Zetsu's eyes. Black Zetsu was Kaguya's son. He might have also inherited Byakugan from Kaguya.

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Look at Black Zetsu's eyes. They seem very similar to the Byakugan.

During the final fight against the Kaguya/Shinju; Sobojo's Rinnegan would be taken from Kaguya by Hamura. Hamura would then transplant the Rinnegan within Hagoromo. And this would lead to Kaguya's sealing and create this memory of Kaguya.

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Where, Hagoromo has the Rinnegan and Hamura has the Byakugan.

Sobojo's Inclusion :-

Sobojo's inclusion in the story is important as he is a being with enormous power. This power generally has a negative attribute to it. Considering that the Rinnegan was a godly power; It makes sense to connect it with Sobojo. This not only increases the appeal of the story but also raises a plot-point for the Ultimate and most powerful Villain.

10) Rinnegan Trolling :-

Kishi hyped the Rinnegan to such high levels that he has compared it to a God's power. Yet, whenever we see the Rinnegan; either Plot or Nerfs prevent it's Full power from being unleashed. So much so that it sometimes reaches Trolling Levels.

The Three Cases :-

A) Nagato :-

The one who came closest to using the Rinnegan's power; he fell short in showing the Rinnegan's full power because he was crippled. Even as an Edo; Healthy Nagato is prevented from showing the Rinnegan's true power by Plot as he is one-shotted by Itachi.

B) Obito :-

Even though, he has the Left Rinnegan; he barely uses it except to summon Gedo Mazou. Granted; Kishi explained it by saying that he was not able to control it; he could have at least shown a few Rinnegan techniques; perhaps a few new ones.

C) Madara :-

After obtaining Dual Rinnegan; he only casts an advanced form of Chibaku Tensei; A stronger version of Limbo and after casting Infinite Tskyumoni is immediately soloed by Black Zetsu. Kishi didn't even bother showing a fight between Naruto and Sauske against Madara where he could have shown the Rinnegan's full potential.

So why does Kishi use Plot and Nerfs to prevent us from seeing the Rinnegan's full power ?

Perhaps he wants us to see the Rinnegan's true power when they are reunited with the original owner; Sobojo and as such spice up the plot.


11) Sobojo's Rinnegan Timeline :-

This is a timeline on how Sobojo's Rinnegan passed down the ages as a source of power.

Sobojo :-

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The Original wielder of his Own Rinnegan; Right before being sealed by the Shinju; Sobojo gave his Rinnegan to Kaguya; his wife to ensure that one day he will be released from the Shinju's Fruit.

Kaguya :-

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Kaguya, the Second wielder uses Sobojo's Rinnegan in order to defeat the Shinju become it's Jinchuriki and to cast Infinite Tskyumoni to release Sobojo.

Hagoromo :-

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Obtaining the Rinnegan from Hamura after Kaguya's fall, he is the Third Wielder of Sobojo's Rinnegan. He seals the Gedo Mazou in the moon using the Rinnegan as a Seal.

Indra :-

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The Fourth wielder of Sobojo's Rinnegan. Not being able to stand against Ashura due to the Nine Bijuu, He takes Hagoromo's Rinnegan and is able to fight on equal Footing with Ashura.

In the end, Indra realises that the Rinnegan was very dangerous and as such seals it in the Uchiha Stone Tablet.

Uchiha Stone Tablet :-

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A sealing Stone which was supposed to seal Sobojo's Rinnegan for Eternity, so that no one can use it. Obviously, the seal was broken and the Rinnegan was retrieved by the Uchihas due to the Senju-Uchiha power Struggle.

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The Fifth wielder of Sobojo's Rinnegan; he is chosen to have the Rinnegan transplanted with him. Due, to Sobojo's immense power within the Rinnegan, he gets consumed by Corruption.

Madara :-

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Obtaining the Rinnegan from Izuna, Madara is the Sixth Wielder of Sobojo's Rinnegan. He also suffers the same problems as Izuna but by using Hashirama's Wood Release; he is able to seal most of the Rinnegan Power and use it freely.

He also uses the Rinnegan to break Hagoromo's seal and summon the Gedo Mazou.

Nagato :-

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Given the Rinnegan by Madara to ensure continuity of the Infinite Tskyumoni plan, Nagato is the Seventh Wielder Of Sobojo's Rinnegan.

Being an Uzumaki, he was able to use Sobojo's Rinnegan almost to it's full potential.

Obito/ White Zetsu :-

Obito takes Sobojo's Left Rinnegan.

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Whereas Sobojo's Right Rinnegan is Stolen by White Zetsu.

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Madara / Kaguya :-

Both of Sobojo's Rinnegan return to Madara.

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And Madara transforms into Kaguya making the possesion go over to Kaguya.

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Sobojo :-

Logic dictates that the Rinnegan would be eventually reunited with it's original owner which is Sobojo. As such, Sobojo's Rinnegan has almost come full-circle.

This is just an possible plot point that I decided to share based on the manga till now.

There are many Loopholes, It is too Far-fetched, it's a Great idea; Whatever you think, Thanks for Reading.
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Quite weird to be honest,but thumps up for the logic and due to the fact that the points stick together!

Just one thing, how is the uchiha stone tablet involved? there is no proof or logic to prove your claim, neither is izuna finding the rennigan in it.
 
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Overall the prediction was a great read. Most of it fits together nicely as well.
There were a few points that didn't make much sense. One such example is where
you said Madara traps Naruto and Sasuke into IT. And then he would just randomly turn good.
If IT finishes, everyone turns into White Zetsu, and also, Madara probably wouldn't continue
to try to use IT after discovering that it doesn't work the way he intended.
 

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This is something like Tobidara, GREAT PREDICTION , I'd love it to happen, but I highly doubt it will, Kishi is Kishi, next chapter Sakura gets double rinnegan, seal Kaguya into herself and stomp everyone.. Unfortunantly.
 

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Quite weird to be honest,but thumps up for the logic and due to the fact that the points stick together!

Just one thing, how is the uchiha stone tablet involved? there is no proof or logic to prove your claim, neither is izuna finding the rennigan in it.
Between Indra and Izuna, there is a huge time difference. As, there is no evidence of anyone having the Rinnegan transplanted nor any incidents concerned with it during that timeframe, I thought that the Rinnegan was sealed somewhere. The only thing connected to the Uchihas that could act as a seal is the Uchiha Stone Tablet.

About Izuna finding the Rinnegan, Black Zetsu may actually be involved in it, He was Kaguya's will after all.


Overall the prediction was a great read. Most of it fits together nicely as well.
There were a few points that didn't make much sense. One such example is where
you said Madara traps Naruto and Sasuke into IT. And then he would just randomly turn good.
If IT finishes, everyone turns into White Zetsu, and also, Madara probably wouldn't continue
to try to use IT after discovering that it doesn't work the way he intended.
Naruto and Sauske are major threats to the IT Plan. As such, they have to be defeated and caught in IT. Even after his comeback, he will not know the Truth of It (Because Black Zetsu will be sealed with Kaguya) and he will never believe Naruto and Sauske. He will just continue building his dream world via IT (Ignorance is Bliss).

He will only realize his actions after IT breaks; The Zetsu army rises (Naruto is able to stop the Zetsu transformation and save some people via his Energy - There was a theory made on this idea) and Madara realizes that Sobojo will be released soon. Obviously Madara will reflect on his actions and become good.
 

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interesting theory, really. i find it possible. so its possible that kaguya is trying to get back his husband or something? anyway you truly deserve my reps man.
 

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It's a far-fetched great idea to believe that an yet unknown character in the NV is Sobojo, that's amazing. Do you think he has any relationship with Lord Jashin ??
 

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interesting theory, really. i find it possible. so its possible that kaguya is trying to get back his husband or something? anyway you truly deserve my reps man.
Yes, Kaguya and Sobojo were lovers so it would make sense that Kaguya would try to release Sobojo when The Shinju sealed Sobojo in the Fruit corrupting her in the long run. It also kinda explains her obsession with the Fruit; releasing Sobojo.

It's a far-fetched great idea to believe that an yet unknown character in the NV is Sobojo, that's amazing. Do you think he has any relationship with Lord Jashin ??


According to the Above Theory (Read the Curse Of Hatred part); Hamura is Jashin who was actually Sobojo's son along with Hagoromo. It may be possible that just like Kaguya, Hamura also got corrupted in the long run (Perhaps he sealed himself as the RDS in the Uchiha Stone Tablet because of that ?) and would eventually be worshipped as Jashin.

Or Sobojo himself is Jashin.
 

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It COULD happen but it probably won't because all that means is that there was another villain behind/controlling Kaguya who is now considered the final villain which would just be perpetuating these long line of villains who were controlling each other.

Orochimaru, Itachi, Nagato, Obito, Madara, Black Zetsu, Kaguya, and now Sobojo.

I would just rather let Kaguya be the final villain and keep it at that.
 

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According to the Above Theory (Read the Curse Of Hatred part); Hamura is Jashin who was actually Sobojo's son along with Hagoromo. It may be possible that just like Kaguya, Hamura also got corrupted in the long run (Perhaps he sealed himself as the RDS in the Uchiha Stone Tablet because of that ?) and would eventually be worshipped as Jashin.

Or Sobojo himself is Jashin.


Yeah I do enjoy Rabbit Teeth's theories he's very good ! But from what I have read I am more inclined to believe that Sobojo is Jashin himself. Why?

Well based on the Way of Jashin and it's teaching which is to kill and cause chaos as you can see in this excerpt of the Naruto official character data book.

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We can interconnect the way of Jashin with the Tengu which Sōjōbō is King. In Buddhism Tengu are believed to be disruptive demons and harbingers of war. These Tengu are also related with Shugendō a syncretic Buddhist religion which the followers are called Yamabushi. So in here we can see that the Way of Jashin and Shugendō are similar.

So based on the similarities of the way of Jashin with Shugendō I determine that Jashin is Sōjōbō.
That's it, hope you found my findings interesting !
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Between Indra and Izuna, there is a huge time difference. As, there is no evidence of anyone having the Rinnegan transplanted nor any incidents concerned with it during that timeframe, I thought that the Rinnegan was sealed somewhere. The only thing connected to the Uchihas that could act as a seal is the Uchiha Stone Tablet.

About Izuna finding the Rinnegan, Black Zetsu may actually be involved in it, He was Kaguya's will after all.
By this, you are admitting that you don't give a shit about what the manga said. Basically, you are saying everything Black Zetsu said is not true, and you are Dr. Narutoverse, so you create your own. Well, no offense, but BZ already said that he failed to help people from both clan unlock Rinnegan until Madara.

BZ already said how Madara obtained Rinnegan. In addition, Kabuto used Edo tensei and Hashirama cells, and using hypothesis based on Madara's corpse (which BZ said he led Kabuto and Orochimaru to discover), he was able to make Edo Madara unlock Rinnegan. So, I will make plain even if the people of the forums seems to act like blinds leading other blinds.

Irrespective of who Sobojo is, and how his myth is, everything you wrote in this thread is proof of negligence of all manga facts concerning Rinnegan. Your series of Sobojo theories are the worse I have ever seen here.
 
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By this, you are admitting that you don't give a shit about what the manga said. Basically, you are saying everything Black Zetsu said is not true, and you are Dr. Narutoverse, so you create your own. Well, no offense, but BZ already said that he failed to help people from both clan unlock Rinnegan until Madara.

BZ already said how Madara obtained Rinnegan. In addition, Kabuto used Edo tensei and Hashirama cells, and using hypothesis based on Madara's corpse (which BZ said he led Kabuto and Orochimaru to discover), he was able to make Edo Madara unlock Rinnegan. So, I will make plain even if the people of the forums seems to act like blinds leading other blinds.

Irrespective of who Sobojo is, and how his myth is, everything you wrote in this thread is proof of negligence of all manga facts concerning Rinnegan. Your series of Sobojo theories are the worse I have ever seen here.
I don't think you understood his theory. He meant that the edo tensei replicates a "fake" rinnegan. And the reason it can't summon the gedo mazo is because it's fake, this is why madara loses his eyes once he is revived. Because you can't have more than one pair of real rinnegan, and not because he didn't have any eyes when he died. (if that was the case he should have been revived as an old man anyway)
 
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