In case people forgot why the Uchiha had to be dealt with

[SuperChief]

You trying to say it the uchiha clan fault for their destruction?

No, of course not. The Uchiha would have never wanted to rebel if it weren't for the fact Tobirama screwed them. The fault doesn't lie with them entirely.

 

[Nagi]

the villages also consists of half a dozen other clans, none of them have any kind of special powers, they are all under the hokage

why should hiruzen or the advisors give them more powers on top of being the village police? because they are sphesul?

They got that one dude that can read mind!

 

[Char Aznable]

If Hiruzen was as tough as his reputation, then he could've led the other clans against the what? Several dozen Uchiha? The clan was small enough to fit in the Uchiha hideout for christ sake. This was not a clan of hundreds. I doubt there were even 200 Uchiha living in the Uchiha Ghetto err I mean district.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

the villages also consists of half a dozen other clans, none of them have any kind of special powers, they are all under the hokage

why should hiruzen or the advisors give them more powers on top of being the village police? because they are sphesul?

I mean at least they should've cleared their names with interrogation(or mind-reading) and treated them like any other villagers , granting them equal political rights (if they hadn't had as much as others , excluding their police duties) .

Also , why did the police force only consist of uchihas ? the village can also use other clans' powers too (which are also quite useful)
This action make villagers project/focus their hatred for police on the uchihas , increasing the tension amongst uchihas and other villagers even more.

 

[Nagi]

If Hiruzen was as tough as his reputation, then he could've led the other clans against the what? Several dozen Uchiha? The clan was small enough to fit in the Uchiha hideout for christ sake. This was not a clan of hundreds. I doubt there were even 200 Uchiha living in the Uchiha Ghetto err I mean district.

Plot-no-jutsu! But I wouldn't be surprise if the whole uchiha clan appear out of nowhere at the end of this war.

 

[Char Aznable]

Plot-no-jutsu! But I wouldn't be surprise if the whole uchiha clan appear out of nowhere at the end of this war.

That
or Kishi reviving EVERYONE who died since part 1 and before. The previous Hokage, Naruto's parents, Sasuke family and clan. There have been so many asspulls and cockpulls these last 90 chapters, nothing surprises or will surprise me now.

 

[AMIan]

Lol like Hiruzen said, they should've talked with them first instead of wiping them out. But I don't agree that they were 100% at fault. They were being treated like trash and lost almost all of their authority. They should've also not wiped out the children. Pretty sure Sasuke wasn't the only infant in the Uchiha clan.

 

[Ageha Jaeger]

Lol like Hiruzen said, they should've talked with them first instead of wiping them out. But I don't agree that they were 100% at fault. They were being treated like trash and lost almost all of their authority. They should've also not wiped out the children. Pretty sure Sasuke wasn't the only infant in the Uchiha clan.

Exactly. Killing innocents is never justified, no matter the reason.

 

[Char Aznable]

The Uchiha Massacre is the sign of a weak and ineffective leader. Hiruzen was tasked at protecting all the villagers by Tobirama. But instead he allowed (I say allowed because Danzo was never reprimanded for executing the Uchiha massacre) to happen under his watch. Hiruzen is touted as some sort of god of shinobi but he is constantly shown to be a reactive/passive Kage instead of proactive.

Other notable Hiruzen screw ups would be the Hyuga Affair, failure to take out Orochimaru and waiting a month to let Orochimaru attack the village during the chunin exams.

 

[madara uchlha]

Ironically, an Uchiha named Obito started the 4th world war, exactly what Itachi was trying to prevent.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

THey should have killed the members who wanted to rebel only leave the children and innocent alone.

 

[lucario14]

Ironically, an Uchiha named Obito started the 4th world war, exactly what Itachi was trying to prevent.

Yes this. If obito didn't summon the kyuubi then the uchoha never would have been suspected and treated unfairly hence no coup attempt = no uchiha massacre.

 

[Vega]

Both parties have blame in the events that happened.

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That being said, Tobirama's actions inadvertently were the main reason that the Uchiha's changed their view/thought. It basically created the Madara sympathizers. By that time it was already "too-late"; meaning something would most likely occur with the Uchihas, it was a matter of time with slimmer chance of otherwise.

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The Uchiha clan's fate was sealed by the Kyuubi Attack on Konoha so this screwed it over for everyone.

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The Uchihas were capable of controlling the Kyuubi and Konoha elders (this excludes Hiruzen as stated by Tobi numerous times as well as the absence of the photo). The suspicion was going to come onto them one way or another since Minato was dead (thus couldn't clarify it was Tobi/"Madara"). Of course it was wrong to instantly assume it was them, but give the circumstances fully expected.

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Those dumb elders quarantined the Uchiha which while wrong (granted the lack of proper investigation), was expected and any government would've done the same for national security comes first.
The fact is Hiruzen wanted to use peaceful methods but at the end of the day couldn't. People just assume he could tell Danzo to do whatever he wanted but this is not true, as Danzo was the leader of Root/Anbu; that and Konoha's "Council System" made it so no one man had particular power. Despite this Hiruzen still tried to pursue peaceful negotiations. Tobi notes that Hiruzen did everything he could in his power but time wouldn't allow it.

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Hiruzen in fact may have created one too, but Danzo got to Itachi, and he's not to blame for that given the circumstances/lack of time really.

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Honestly, the one thing that had a very high percentage of avoiding this would be if Minato had survived; as he could've told the leaders of the Konoha and Uchiha that "Madara" was the one to host the attack. A rogue ninja is unaccounted for and they would've decided it's best to eliminate them. At the same time Itachi could've tried talking to his dad to stop but he was far beyond the point of listening. Was the massacre wrong? Killing the Innocents (meaning Children, people who didn't want to cause revolution) people is never a right thing to do; but the Coup leaders being taking care of was a must for any governmental body in the same situation.

So to split up who's fault I'd say 60% goes to Danzou (main person to promote violence against Uchiha, forced Itachi to kill Innocent lives, corrupt), 30% goes to Uchiha Coup conspirators (Itachi's dad, etc.), and 10% to Tobi (Kyuubi attack/Wanted revenge on Uchiha). And with that I sleep.

 

[Eternal Sage]

This is a stupid debate because while the uchiha were at fault, they were put in that position by tobirama, who did that because the uchiha were too dangerous. Its a circle

 

[Angelic.]

the funny thing is is that the madara sympathizers were ended up killed by tobito and madara didnt care. lol..

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Shisui was the solution but danzo was power hungry and afraid so he screwed that up

 

[lucario14]

the funny thing is is that the madara sympathizers were ended up killed by tobito and madara didnt care. lol..

Yea madara were betrayed by the clan and he left. It was only after that the uchiha decided to follow madara's words but it was way too late by then.