[Discussion] Freed vs Gray

[Killuaa]

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Freed starts in his Absolute Shadow form or Darkness form if he wants to. He can only use Dark Ecritures, not unfair runes.

 

[Jack Skellington]

Gray Solos .

 

[UchihaLightning]

Gray solos neg diff .​

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[Zanithe]

Gray already won.

 

[Memento Mori]

Freed has a chance of winning but Gray Solos

 

[Mahesvara]

Gray easily

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Gray still wins.

 

[jhamz]

Look at their abilities and disregard popularity and you'll see the answer clearly!

 

[Killuaa]

I feel like Gray is a bit overestimated here. How is he defeating Freed easily? Sure, I can see him winning, but not in most cases.

 

[Rhythm]

Pretty easy win for Gray, Low Diff.

 

[Killuaa]

Pretty easy win for Gray, Low Diff.

How is he winning low diff? Don't even see him winning mid-diff, let alone low diff. Zzz

 

[Killuaa]

Look at their abilities and disregard popularity and you'll see the answer clearly!

This post ^ should be taken into consideration. People saying Gray wins low diff are either trolling or simply like Gray way too much.

 

[Memento Mori]

This post ^ should be taken into consideration. People saying Gray wins low diff are either trolling or simply like Gray way too much.

Look at their abilities and disregard popularity and you'll see the answer clearly!

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Like I have said....With given restrictions still gray has a chance to win high diff

 

[Killuaa]

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Like I have said....With given restrictions still gray has a chance to win high diff

Can you elaborate how Gray would win against Freed?

 

[Memento Mori]

Can you elaborate how Gray would win against Freed?

I am assuming here Gray from current/GMG arc since Op didn't mention'd specifically which one

Air mobility: freed..knowing he has his dark ericture form can move pretty well

damage tolerance:Gray...He is shown to show high level of durability in fights.He even Fought mages in scenario's where he is at disadvantage

stamina:Gray(second origin) & Shown to posses Immense strength both physically & mentally...Freed has showed pretty good strength feets where he fought on par with Mira's Satan Soul for few moments before he lost

defence:Gray has many movesets in his arsenal to defend himself from heavy radius attacks

Gray even showed to cast spells faster & Materialize them into the form he thinks which is obviously a problem for freed to dodge when he comes to close range.

I want to elaborate more but it's late here -_- With prep.time & without restricting Runes Freed can Possibly win

 

[Killuaa]

I am assuming here Gray from current/GMG arc since Op didn't mention'd specifically which one

Air mobility: freed..knowing he has his dark ericture form can move pretty well

damage tolerance:Gray...He is shown to show high level of durability in fights.He even Fought mages in scenario's where he is at disadvantage

stamina:Gray(second origin) & Shown to posses Immense strength both physically & mentally...Freed has showed pretty good strength feets where he fought on par with Mira's Satan Soul for few moments before he lost

defence:Gray has many movesets in his arsenal to defend himself from heavy radius attacks

Gray even showed to cast spells faster & Materialize them into the form he thinks which is obviously a problem for freed to dodge when he comes to close range.

I want to elaborate more but it's late here -_- With prep.time & without restricting Runes Freed can Possibly win

Your elaboration is more distinct than most people baselessly saying Gray wins low diff. -_______-"""""

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Gray (without Slayer magic) was supposed to be on equal ground with Natsu, before latter got Lighting Flame Mode.

Tempesta was able to beat Freed, Evergreen and Bickslow with no diff and if I remember correctly it was without him using his "Ethorios" form.. Natsu was able to keep up with that form and I see Gray doing same, if not even better than Natsu. By that Gray should win relative easy.

Ofc, it's all assuming that Tempesta didn't use his Ethorius form, since I can't remember well.

 

[Killuaa]

Gray (without Slayer magic) was supposed to be on equal ground with Natsu, before latter got Lighting Flame Mode.

Tempesta was able to beat Freed, Evergreen and Bickslow with no diff and if I remember correctly it was without him using his "Ethorios" form.. Natsu was able to keep up with that form and I see Gray doing same, if not even better than Natsu. By that Gray should win relative easy.

Ofc, it's all assuming that Tempesta didn't use his Ethorius form, since I can't remember well.

No, Gray was never equal to Natsu. When Natsu's enraged, he's Erza level. As for the Tempesta argument, no again, Tempesta only beat them all because he had the element of surprise on his side and Freed wasn't able to turn himself to the form he used when he fought Mirajane or Rustyrose.

Portrayal and Hype are the only things that says Gray is equal to Natsu. Feat-wise, pre-TS Natsu is still a bit above Current Gray.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

No, Gray was never equal to Natsu. When Natsu's enraged, he's Erza level. As for the Tempesta argument, no again, Tempesta only beat them all because he had the element of surprise on his side and Freed wasn't able to turn himself to the form he used when he fought Mirajane or Rustyrose.

Portrayal and Hype are the only things that says Gray is equal to Natsu. Feat-wise, pre-TS Natsu is still a bit above Current Gray.

1. Yes, he is. At the first arc, Gray was able to beat members of that dark guild, without magic, unlike Natsu. At the tower of heaven, Gray was able to beat Fukuro (with power of Natsu), Natsu wasn't even able to beat base Fukuro. You can say that that was long ago, but manga never showed some huge training that would make any difference. So, at the best Base Natsu, would be strong as Base Gray, if not even slightly weaker.

2. Element of surprise? Even if I buy that, it don't change a fact that all three of them lost with no diff, to base Tempesta. So even with element of surprise, if Freed is storng as you say, he should put better fight, and that's considering that he had help from his comrades.

3. It's because Natsu is "pre-development" character. You can't say that someone is stronger than someone overall because he had more scree time.

 

[Killuaa]

1. Yes, he is. At the first arc, Gray was able to beat members of that dark guild, without magic, unlike Natsu. At the tower of heaven, Gray was able to beat Fukuro (with power of Natsu), Natsu wasn't even able to beat base Fukuro. You can say that that was long ago, but manga never showed some huge training that would make any difference. So, at the best Base Natsu, would be strong as Base Gray, if not even slightly weaker.

2. Element of surprise? Even if I buy that, it don't change a fact that all three of them lost with no diff, to base Tempesta. So even with element of surprise, if Freed is storng as you say, he should put better fight, and that's considering that he had help from his comrades.

3. It's because Natsu is "pre-development" character. You can't say that someone is stronger than someone overall because he had more scree time.

1. It's obvious that Gray has always stood in another dimension than where Natsu stands. Pre-TS Natsu could still beat Current Gray in a high-extreme diff fight. If you want me to show you panels, I'd be willing to provide them for you. Natsu lost to Fukuro due to two reasons; a. His weakness, motion sickness was used against him. b. He didn't have his power of feelings activated, whereas Gray doesn't have any definite weakness and his power of feelings were already active when he fought Fukuro.

2. That's like saying Mirajane getting hit in her human form with a high-end spell by Tempesta makes her weak/ Saying that beating Mirajane in her human form is the same as beating Mirajane in her Satan Soul. That's flawed. The other two Raijinshuus are not that big of a deal. Freed on the other hand is different. Freed has to be in his combat form to fight. You don't have to buy it, you don't even have to believe it. Logic proves that Freed could've put up a much much better fight in his Darkness form. Besides, his condition when they were hit by Tempesta shows that he could've stood back up and started fighting in his darkness form, albeit still lose, but then Laxus arrived and he worried about staying out of the way.

3. Nope again, you can't use the fact that Natsu has more screen time than Gray to conclude that Gray is stronger. I don't care about pre-development whatsoever, feats show that current Natsu is way above Gray (w/o devil slaying). You're concluding things based on your assumption, you have to mostly rely on what has been shown, and the panels have shown that Natsu is way stronger than Gray.