Why does Kakashi's perfect susanoo make people mad?

[Mishima]

Him having Obito's chakra doesn't mean anything. Obito never had EMS so it doesn't makes sense for Kakashi to not feel any pain while using PS.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Because they were all under the assumption that it was exclusive to Indra's reincarnations, MS and Rinnegan Bearers, those with Hashirama or Hagoromo's chakra, etc, which held no evidence.

I don't know about anyone else but that's not why I have a problem with it.Sasuke and Madara had to train their Susanoo and get upgraded eyes just to get PS.Kakashi did neither and can use Susanoo on the same level as they can.

V4 Susanoo is acceptable,Perfect Susanoo needs a air tight justification for why Kakashi who is a Non Uchiha isn't feeling any stress from using it.

 

[Gerkak]

So if some random mook could use I don't know....FRS with no effort,despite the fact Naruto had to train his ass off for it and on the same level as him ,it would'nt be a problem?Because it's the same thing with Kakashi using PS like it was nothing.

FRS is different because it isn't a bloodline ability. One must train hard to use the technique. PS on the other hand is a bloodline ability granted to those who posses great mastery over MS and EMS. Provided the user has the some level of skill PS shouldn't be that difficult to manifest. Besides most people are forgetting that kakashi was considered a genius by even other geniuses like Minato.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

So if some random mook could use I don't know....FRS with no effort,despite the fact Naruto had to train his ass off for it and on the same level as him ,it would'nt be a problem?Because it's the same thing with Kakashi using PS like it was nothing.

Random mook?
Do you realize who you are talking about?

He is freaking Sharingan Kakashi, famous even across the whole ninja world

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He has had it for 15+ years, he is a super elite genius and even uchihas themselves are surprised at his skills, outperforming even obito the original user

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Its really disrespecting to kakashi if you think he is some random mook

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Random mook?
Do you realize who you are talking about?

He is freaking Sharingan Kakashi, famous even across the whole ninja world

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He has had it for 15+ years, he is a super elite genius and even uchihas themselves are surprised at his skills, outperforming even obito the original user

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Its really disrespecting to kakashi if you think he is some random mook

Did I say Kakashi was a random mook?No,I was using a analogy.

 

[chaos control]

The issue is that, unless Obito takes his eyes back, Kakashi will likely die via chakra exhaustion, that's why this makes no sense. Plus, IIRC earlier in part 2 it was stated by both Itachi then Sasuke that you need both tsukuyomi and amaterasu to activate susano'o. Now, even if you make the argument that Obito has special eyes (Kamui and activate sharingan with two tomoe) there's still the chakra exhaustion problem for Kakashi, that's why people think it's stupid.

Kakashi got Obito's chakara. Obito had tons of chakara. Therefore Kakashi's chakara + Obito's chakara = more than enough to use perfect susanoo and be fine. Plus, that tsukuyomi and amaterasu thing was retconned long ago. When Sasuke hit Madara with amaterasu and Madara absorbed it, Madara spoke as if the jutsu was foreign to him. Quote: "This jutsu is as far beneath me as the rubble is beneath my feet." - Madara Uchiha (about amaterasu)

Even earlier, Sasuke stated "those who master the double mangekyou". Plus, Kishi personally designed Shisui's susanoo for the upcoming game despite knowing that Shisui doesn't have tsukuyomi or amaterasu. Therefore this was still a retcon by Kishi despite being game only.

I don't know why people don't seem to understand that databooks become outdated and the info changes. At that time, Itachi was the only one that we had ever seen with double MS. Therefore, the databook could only go by Itachi's case. That same databook also said that kamui was unique to Kakashi and look how that turned out.

People hate it because it came out of nowhere.

With Madara and Sasuke, people still assumed they both had Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, even if they didn't show it. But 688 was a definitive retcon, which sucks. Furthermore, Kakashi got the strongest version of Susanoo is just a few pages despite the fact it took Sasuke forever and near death to obtain it. It's just a silly, unnecessary development.

If Kakashi had retained Kamui's full power, i.e. including intangibility, etc. that would have been acceptable to me. This isn't.

Read my statements above about the tsukuyomi and amaterasu thing. As for getting it out of nowhere, that is just a testament to Kakashi's skill. People should stop measuring a person's capacity by another person. Maybe Sasuke wasn't as skillful. Sucks for him.

Sasuke said every cell in his body was hurting while using the ribcage, but Kakashi doesn't even feel any sort of pain while using the PS.

Once again, this is a matter of skill and endurance.

So if some random mook could use I don't know....FRS with no effort,despite the fact Naruto had to train his ass off for it and on the same level as him ,it would'nt be a problem?Because it's the same thing with Kakashi using PS like it was nothing.

Then that mook would just be very skilled. It would just mean that Naruto needs more skill.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Kakashi got Obito's chakara. Obito had tons of chakara. Therefore Kakashi's chakara + Obito's chakara = more than enough to use perfect susanoo and be fine. Plus, that tsukuyomi and amaterasu thing was retconned long ago. When Sasuke hit Madara with amaterasu and Madara absorbed it, Madara spoke as if the jutsu was foreign to him. Quote: "This jutsu is as far beneath me as the rubble is beneath my feet." - Madara Uchiha (about amaterasu)

Even earlier, Sasuke stated "those who master the double mangekyou". Plus, Kishi personally designed Shisui's susanoo for the upcoming game despite knowing that Shisui doesn't have tsukuyomi or amaterasu. Therefore this was still a retcon by Kishi despite being game only.

I don't know why people don't seem to understand that databooks become outdated and the info changes. At that time, Itachi was the only one that we had ever seen with double MS. Therefore, the databook could only go by Itachi's case. That same databook also said that kamui was unique to Kakashi and look how that turned out.



Read my statements above about the tsukuyomi and amaterasu thing. As for getting it out of nowhere, that is just a testament to Kakashi's skill. People should stop measuring a person's capacity by another person. Maybe Sasuke wasn't as skillful. Sucks for him.



Once again, this is a matter of skill and endurance.



Then that mook would just be very skilled. It would just mean that Naruto needs more skill.

Skill has nothing to do with it,Minato was very skilled and even he could'nt complete the Rasengan which is his own jutsu.

Getting handed a massive power up with no effort involved isn't skill.

 

[ShadowACS]

Im surprise you people like all this asspulls of obito and kakashi both of them as well as defending kishi for his BS. Fanboys lol and dont even think about responding ''you mad or you a uchiha fanboy or whatever'' i could care less, and all those asspulls you cant denied them...

 

[YellowFang]

Because they feel insecure of their fav. characters...

 

[garas56]

Because he got it through no effort at all,imagine if someone could do Naruto's best technique right off the bat and use it on the same level he could.People would be just as pissed.

Like konohamuru killed one of paths with rasengun.just saying.....

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Like konohamuru killed one of paths with rasengun.just saying.....

The Rasengan is not Naruto's best technique,FRS is.

 

[Migster257]

Because he got it through no effort at all,imagine if someone could do Naruto's best technique right off the bat and use it on the same level he could.People would be just as pissed.

I would be just as not pissed...
Being able to do Naruto's best technique shouldn't be that hard when you're a juubi Jin.

 

[Dantee]

because it doesn't make sense.

 

[Migster257]

because it doesn't make sense.

Can I be on that real shit?

 

[senju tobirama10]

Cuz if i give a dog a bone and then the a cat showed up a had a bone would you be surprised i think so.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Sasuke and Madara had to train their Susanoo and get upgraded eyes just to get PS.

No offense, but that's bs. Sasuke was never shown "training his susano'o," nor was Madara.

Kakashi did neither and can use Susanoo on the same level as they can.

Kakashi and Obito you mean.

V4 Susanoo is acceptable,Perfect Susanoo needs a air tight justification for why Kakashi who is a Non Uchiha isn't feeling any stress from using it.

Who says he won't? He has two, maybe even three people's chakra if you include Hashirama's from the clone half of Obito's body.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

No offense, but that's bs. Sasuke was never shown "training his susano'o," nor was Madara.



Kakashi and Obito you mean.



Who says he won't? He has two, maybe even three people's chakra if you include Hashirama's from the clone half of Obito's body.

Sasuke had went from Ribcage to V2 Susanoo before going blind,after getting EMS he started using V4 and Legged Susanoo before finally getting PS.Same thing with Madara so that's training by all means.

Did Kakashi have to go through all the Susanoo developments?Hell no,he skipped straight to Perfect Susanoo.

 

[Xāvî1]

Bcos its an ass-pull

 

[LeSauce]

Obito and Kakashi were both running out of chakra so even if Obito gave Kakashi all of his chakra he shouldn't have enough to sustain both eyes, let alone Susano'o.

Obito was never said to have any form of special chakra like Madara and Sasuke and yet he would be able to use PS without EMS? How does that make sense? You can't compare Indra, the originator of the Uchiha, to a watered down version of him that isn't even his reincarnation.

Not to mention that he went straight to PS once he got the eyes. No one was able to do this... Ever. It takes steps and each step takes a huge toll on it's user, especially the higher levels of Susano'o, unless you have EMS, but Kishi just decided to throw that out of the window. Kakashi should have been able to reach ribcage at Maximum and be dieing because he has no Uchiha chakra nor their body. In fact he shouldn't have been able to handle two eyeballs. It took him years just to get used to 1.

Chakra control shouldn't let you use PS either, unless you want to give PS to Itachi.

 

[chaos control]

Obito and Kakashi were both running out of chakra so even if Obito gave Kakashi all of his chakra he shouldn't have enough to sustain both eyes, let alone Susano'o.

Obito was never said to have any form of special chakra like Madara and Sasuke and yet he would be able to use PS without EMS? How does that make sense? You can't compare Indra, the originator of the Uchiha, to a watered down version of him that isn't even his reincarnation.

Not to mention that he went straight to PS once he got the eyes. No one was able to do this... Ever. It takes steps and each step takes a huge toll on it's user, especially the higher levels of Susano'o, unless you have EMS, but Kishi just decided to throw that out of the window. Kakashi should have been able to reach ribcage at Maximum and be dieing because he has no Uchiha chakra nor their body. In fact he shouldn't have been able to handle two eyeballs. It took him years just to get used to 1.

Chakra control shouldn't let you use PS either, unless you want to give PS to Itachi.

It was never said that you need special chakara to get PS. Once again that is just people's assumption. It is also pure assumption that Obito's and Kakashi's combined remaining chakara wasn't enough to manifest PS.

Saying something like "don't compare so and so to so and so" is the cheapest cop out ever. Obito can be special just like Indra.

Also, who is to say that PS even requires that much chakara? People always make assumptions on how much chakara a person should have and how much chakara a jutsu costs. You shouldn't assume these things.

Finally, chakara control does allow people to save chakara as explained by Ebisu in part 1 when he was telling Naruto about how much chakara Naruto wasted when using the shadow clone jutsu. Therefore it is feasible for chakara control to allow for PS.

Tell your beloved Itachi to suck on that in his grave.