Tobirama & Minato vs Itachi & Kisame

[Haizaki]

Evani such a fool start with me and ima end you same with invisibleman the akatsuki duo wins this

Lol can you counter what I said?

 

[DMT]

You restricted sm and ET and even so team hokages wins low-mid difficulty

 

[ARGUS]

Tobirama and Minato win this

--Tobirama and Minato tag each other along with their KB and kunai, and can then evade everything the akatsuki duo would throw at them, and the full intel along with 60m starting distance allows them to place markings at a much higher distance,

--Kisame is not reacting to either minato or tobirama, and his CQC fighting style is suicide for him, due to the encounter resulting in kisame getting marked, and once that happens, Goshun Mawashi would end him

--Itachi needs to maintain his susanooo in-order to prevent himself from getting marked, and apart from that, all his offense is evaded with ease, and can simply get outlasted due to the drawbacks of overusing his MS/susanoo

--genjutsu is not happeninng either since itachi is not tracking minato and tobiramas speed, on top of the fact that they are both sensors, use KB and are fast enough to evade all eye contact

--kisame cant use his large scale techniques such as water dome, as that will only affect itachi, and will be evaded with FTG

 

[Unorthodox]

Lol can you counter what I said?

post a new argument and ill shit

Tobirama and Minato win this

They do not but ill geuss your about to explain

--Tobirama and Minato tag each other along with their KB and kunai, and can then evade everything the akatsuki duo would throw at them, and the full intel along with 60m starting distance allows them to place markings at a much higher distance,

That is irrelevant especially marking themselves especially if you think they can evade everything anyways. they cannot evade everything they will throw at them in the key to defeating someone who is much faster than you is to attack them when they're attacking you. Marking far out of the Akatsuki's team Aoe is pointless as i said they will attack when they attack them also Kisame can outlast the latter.

--Kisame is not reacting to either minato or tobirama, and his CQC fighting style is suicide for him, due to the encounter resulting in kisame getting marked, and once that happens, Goshun Mawashi would end him

Intel is full Kisame wouldnt dare try to fight close range especially with the speed difference and ftg aslo kisame is much more suited for long range battles as his has large scale attacks capable of destroying them.

--Itachi needs to maintain his susanooo in-order to prevent himself from getting marked, and apart from that, all his offense is evaded with ease, and can simply get outlasted due to the drawbacks of overusing his MS/susanoo
--genjutsu is not happeninng either since itachi is not tracking minato and tobiramas speed, on top of the fact that they are both sensors, use KB and are fast enough to evade all eye contact
--kisame cant use his large scale techniques such as water dome, as that will only affect itachi, and will be evaded with FTG

Itachi can maintain his ribcage susanoo witch will allow him to last longer also Kisame could feed him some chakra from shark skin to keep him going. Your overrated the latter for no reason Genjutsu can and will catch them like i said they will have to attack then genutusu such a dusk crow will catch them

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. Minato & Tobirama footspeed isnt a problem for Itachi only ftg so your claiming of them not able of being tracked is weak also any kunai or marking in the surrounding area is swept away via

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he fuses with shark skin stay under water and destroys they're clones with water sharks & water clones water dome isnt needed here at all. Summonings are 1 shotted with amaterasu.

 

[ARGUS]

They do not but ill geuss your about to explain

Yes they do, and yes an explanation is usually necessary in these match-ups

That is irrelevant especially marking themselves especially if you think they can evade everything anyways. they cannot evade everything they will throw at them in the key to defeating someone who is much faster than you is to attack them when they're attacking you. Marking far out of the Akatsuki's team Aoe is pointless as i said they will attack when they attack them also Kisame can outlast the latter.

1. Kisame outlasting is meaningless when he cant even react to Minato and Tobirama especially once they use FTG, and gets marked rather early in the fight, and once that happens, Goshun Mawashi, and FTG slices can end him,

2. @Bold (1) - If they tag themselves they can linkk their chakra connections, meaning that they would be able to telepot to each others markings, and can allso assist their attacks, how on earth is that meaningless?

3. @Bold (2) - They cannot counterattack someone as fast as FTG, when they cant even track their movements,
not to mention that the hokages reflexes are much higher than the akatsuki duo here, and can easily evade their attacks,, and if the akatsuki duo try to counterattack then FTG would always outspeed them, thus resulting in the hokages landing the blow

Intel is full Kisame wouldnt dare try to fight close range especially with the speed difference and ftg aslo kisame is much more suited for long range battles as his has large scale attacks capable of destroying them.

Welll what else can kIsamme do, his suitons are alll evaded with ease, and using techniques such as Water Dome, simply hinders Itachi moore, and would have no effect on the hokages due to them not relying on chakra based ninjutsu, and being fast enough and efficient enough to evade the attacks, through FTG,
Food Cart Destroyer can also be used on Kisame,

Itachi can maintain his ribcage susanoo witch will allow him to last longer also Kisame could feed him some chakra from shark skin to keep him going.

Implying that itachi using his MS techniques would last longer than the duo whose entiire arsenal barely takes a toll on their chakra, not to mention that one of them is a full blooded senju,
Ribcage susanoo can also be destroyed by a rasengan, and suiton suidanha also has the power to atleast damage it,
in conclusion not only would using ribcage take a toll on itachi, but it would also be meaningless on top of the fact that itachi would need his MS techniques to attack and him being on the defensive is clearly not helping,

Kisame feeding chakra whilst the hokages just stand there and let him do so, Lol, its even worse if kisame is marked (which is bound to happen) since they can seperate Kisame from his samehada, and proceed to chop his head off

Your overrated the latter for no reason Genjutsu can and will catch them like i said they will have to attack then genutusu such a dusk crow will catch them

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. Minato & Tobirama footspeed isnt a problem for Itachi only ftg so your claiming of them not able of being tracked is weak also any kunai or marking in the surrounding area is swept away via

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he fuses with shark skin stay under water and destroys they're clones with water sharks & water clones water dome isnt needed here at all. Summonings are 1 shotted with amaterasu.

How is genjutsu landing when the sharingan precog failed to track V2 A's speed which is slower than FTG
besides yu are claiming that the hokages are stupid enough to just look at itachis eyes and fall under a genjutsu especially when the intel is full Lol

and Minato and Tobirama dont rely on just kunai in terms of markings, thhey have themselves along with their KB and can switch themselves with their KB if their real forms (which itachi and kisame cant differentiate from) are in danger,

water dome is just hurting itachi more, and Minato and Tobirama can use their KB to seperate themselves from Kisame, and get them to spread out, whilst one of their entity manages to escape, and they can swap it with their real selves, not to mention that the intel and the starting distance allows them to place markings outside the AOE as well,

 

[Zexion~]

Kisame makes this a team 2 victory

 

[Yolobito Swagchiha]

Pissame solos Minato. Itachi beats Tobirama.

They don't have much to hurt Pissame.

 

[Memento Mori]

The only problem is Kisame

I'll lean towards hokage duo

 

[Unorthodox]

Yes they do, and yes an explanation is usually necessary in these match-ups

i was eplying that your explanation would be meaningless as you would be owned.

1. Kisame outlasting is meaningless when he cant even react to Minato and Tobirama especially once they use FTG, and gets marked rather early in the fight, and once that happens, Goshun Mawashi, and FTG slices can end him,
2. @Bold (1) - If they tag themselves they can linkk their chakra connections, meaning that they would be able to telepot to each others markings, and can allso assist their attacks, how on earth is that meaningless?
3. @Bold (2) - They cannot counterattack someone as fast as FTG, when they cant even track their movements,
not to mention that the hokages reflexes are much higher than the akatsuki duo here, and can easily evade their attacks,, and if the akatsuki duo try to counterattack then FTG would always outspeed them, thus resulting in the hokages landing the blow

Kisame is never getting marked especially when the fights starts he uses his suiton to flood the hole battlefield then fuses with shark skin ftg slices are moot shark skin has shown durability to tank sharp objects

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sp the ftg slash or w.e is moot. its meaningless because they still lack offensive capabilities to tank down the latter also ftg is pointless when genjutsu one shots. Thats the point Minato & Tobirama are not as fast as flying thunder god technique so you keep saying they cant keep up is such a terrible argument they'll use their foot speed untill they go in for an attack or dodge something unless they throw a kunai at itachi them warp to it then we can say Itachi can keep track of them.

Welll what else can kIsamme do, his suitons are alll evaded with ease, and using techniques such as Water Dome, simply hinders Itachi moore, and would have no effect on the hokages due to them not relying on chakra based ninjutsu, and being fast enough and efficient enough to evade the attacks, through FTG,
Food Cart Destroyer can also be used on Kisame,

His suiton are not evaded with ease once he floods the

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Minato & tobirama are sitting ducks when all the kunai would float underground he doesnt need water dome here at all. Them not using chakra based attacks doesnt help them all water sharks and clones tears them apart eventually as i said they wont being evading everything when they'ree standing on water on top of that genjutsu your grossly underestimating Kisame & Itachi. Food cart would mean he'd be above Kisame witch leaves him open for they're projectile type attacks also Kisame will be underwater so trying to smash him with a toad they would not have any effect on him is meaningless furthermore the toads gets raped with amaterasu or totsuka

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ending bunta for good.

Implying that itachi using his MS techniques would last longer than the duo whose entiire arsenal barely takes a toll on their chakra, not to mention that one of them is a full blooded senju,
Ribcage susanoo can also be destroyed by a rasengan, and suiton suidanha also has the power to atleast damage it,
in conclusion not only would using ribcage take a toll on itachi, but it would also be meaningless on top of the fact that itachi would need his MS techniques to attack and him being on the defensive is clearly not helping,

Never said Itachi would last longer than the duo and with Kisame feeding him chakra he could and Kisame has never shown any sighs of fatigue ever being a senju means nothing especially when your on the attack 24/7. Ribcage Susanoo will not even be contested by Minato's rasengan slap yourself if you think otherwise and Tobirama's suiton laser is useless it does nothing inb4 you post that Kabuto scan he flooded Sasuke out of his susanoo since the ribcage has a opening Tobirama's tech is for penetration also Itachi can use katons while

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to counter his suiton or protect himself with

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and ribcage wont be much of a problem for Itachi consering he used tsukutomi amaterasu about 5x and use susanoo while he was half dead. Genjutsu cost little to no chakra and him using Magatamas & totsuka will surfice.

Kisame feeding chakra whilst the hokages just stand there and let him do so, Lol, its even worse if kisame is marked (which is bound to happen) since they can seperate Kisame from his samehada, and proceed to chop his head off

The hokages cant do anything about it Kisame moves much faster underwater also itachi susanoo provides protection. Kisame isnt being marked when he can make much more bushin than they can on top of that being underwater he will be fused with shark skin so them serperating them is nigh impossible shark skin has shown its inpervious to slices and stabs anyway.

How is genjutsu landing when the sharingan precog failed to track V2 A's speed which is slower than FTG
besides yu are claiming that the hokages are stupid enough to just look at itachis eyes and fall under a genjutsu especially when the intel is full Lol

Stop right there it may be slower than ftg but keeping track of them on foot is not a problem so keep saying slower than ftg is such a weak argument. never said they would just look into his eyes dusk crow makes many crows that can catch you in a genjutsu also his finger genjutsu they literally cannot keep eyes on Itachi making even harder to fight.

and Minato and Tobirama dont rely on just kunai in terms of markings, thhey have themselves along with their KB and can switch themselves with their KB if their real forms (which itachi and kisame cant differentiate from) are in danger,

wont matter because Itachi & Kisame also have bushin also the bushin have a slighty slower reaction time than the originals and with Itachi being a smart as he is im sure he could pick up on that

water dome is just hurting itachi more, and Minato and Tobirama can use their KB to seperate themselves from Kisame, and get them to spread out, whilst one of their entity manages to escape, and they can swap it with their real selves, not to mention that the intel and the starting distance allows them to place markings outside the AOE as well,

Water dome isnt needed here and them playing the running game they will lose as kisame has the highest chakra reserves in the battlefield.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I already explained why Kisame solo's these clowns.

 

[ARGUS]

i was eplying that your explanation would be meaningless as you would be owned.

Ok master

Kisame is never getting marked especially when the fights starts he uses his suiton to flood the hole battlefield then fuses with shark skin ftg slices are moot shark skin has shown durability to tank sharp objects

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sp the ftg slash or w.e is moot. its meaningless because they still lack offensive capabilities to tank down the latter

Why is kisame not getting marked,??? he is vastly inferior to Minato and Tobirama in terms of speed, and his suitons are getting evaded by FTG
on top of the fact that whenever he clashes with either of the FTG user, he would end up geting marked since he is not tracking their speed, especially when the hokages can mark their weapons and KB to attack kisame,
heck even Obito ended up getting marked, Kisame gets marked with ease, seeing how Obitos reflexes are much higher

Goshun Mawashi can take out Kisame then, thats all thats needed, not to mention that kisame isnt surviving rasengan either especially when he would be unable to react to it, and kisame needs the water in-order to merge with samehada.and that affects itachi more than it does the hokages, and without water, his mobility would be heavily decreased

also ftg is pointless when genjutsu one shots. Thats the point Minato & Tobirama are not as fast as flying thunder god technique so you keep saying they cant keep up is such a terrible argument they'll use their foot speed untill they go in for an attack or dodge something unless they throw a kunai at itachi them warp to it then we can say Itachi can keep track of them.

How is itachi landing a genjutsu when he is not tracking their speed, FTG is never getting tracked and with both of them being able to land blows that are aided with FTG. sharingan precog is never tracing their speed,
and with both the hokages knowing that they are fighting an uchiha along with the fact that they both have shown to have sensing skills as well, and the fact that they have KB, and can instantly evade itachis attacks before he manages to land eye contact and cast a genjutsu.

His suiton are not evaded with ease once he floods the

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Minato & tobirama are sitting ducks when all the kunai would float underground he doesnt need water dome here at all. Them not using chakra based attacks doesnt help them all water sharks and clones tears them apart eventually as i said they wont being evading everything when they'ree standing on water on top of that genjutsu your grossly underestimating Kisame & Itachi.

Yes they are,. especially when the hokages have full intel and would use their weapons and KB to place markings well out of the AOE of the entire akatsuki duos arsenal

Food cart would mean he'd be above Kisame witch leaves him open for they're projectile type attacks also Kisame will be underwater so trying to smash him with a toad they would not have any effect on him is meaningless furthermore the toads gets raped with amaterasu or totsuka

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ending bunta for good.

Itachi cant use totsuka from his ribcage, thats just a susanoo blade. its not totsuka, and the picture doesnt prove anything. it just makes ur argument look weak
itachi needs his final susanoo to use totsuka.

Never said Itachi would last longer than the duo and with Kisame feeding him chakra he could and Kisame has never shown any sighs of fatigue ever being a senju means nothing especially when your on the attack 24/7. Ribcage Susanoo will not even be contested by Minato's rasengan slap yourself if you think otherwise and Tobirama's suiton laser is useless it does nothing inb4 you post that Kabuto scan he flooded Sasuke out of his susanoo since the ribcage has a opening Tobirama's tech is for penetration

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, which is inferior to rasengan.
furthermore

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, and wouldve been destroyed which was why

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as for Tobirama, his

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and at the very least has the same cutting strength as A's lateral chop meaning that ribcage is certainly gettin damaged or most likely destroyed the attack
and Kabutos water dragon bullet bypassed ribcage thats all there is to it

also Itachi can use katons while

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to counter his suiton or protect himself with

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and ribcage wont be much of a problem for Itachi consering he used tsukutomi amaterasu about 5x and use susanoo while he was half dead. Genjutsu cost little to no chakra and him using Magatamas & totsuka will surfice.

Implying that katons can beat suitons Lol, you need to read the manga,
because whenever a katon would clash with a suiton, the katon will simply extinguish like any flame
what are yu on about, tsukuyomi and MS techniques would take a huge toll on him,
and YM and Totsuka are utmost non factor here and are simply wasting itachis chakra since they are evaded with ease,

The hokages cant do anything about it Kisame moves much faster underwater also itachi susanoo provides protection. Kisame isnt being marked when he can make much more bushin than they can on top of that being underwater he will be fused with shark skin so them serperating them is nigh impossible shark skin has shown its inpervious to slices and stabs anyway.

The hokages can use their FTG to evade it, and can use diversions such as KB to divert Kisames attention,
and you thinking that kisame can move faster than FTG underwater is just wrong and funny
furthermore despte itachi using susanoo. its still not helping him since not only would his chakra get taken out, but he would still be unable to breathe

Stop right there it may be slower than ftg but keeping track of them on foot is not a problem so keep saying slower than ftg is such a weak argument. never said they would just look into his eyes dusk crow makes many crows that can catch you in a genjutsu also his finger genjutsu they literally cannot keep eyes on Itachi making even harder to fight.

How is saying slower than FTG a weak argument? when FTG is faster than all their techniques and would enable the hokages to evade their offense through it?? or would enable the hokages to mark them, and finish them off??
and finger genjutsu is also not happening since the hokages have full intel here, and have also shown sensing skills

Water dome isnt needed here and them playing the running game they will lose as kisame has the highest chakra reserves in the battlefield.

Kisame is getting killed thats all there is to it,
he is not surviing goshun mawashi, nor is he surviving from getting beheaded,
itachi can get outlasted rather easily, since he is forced to use susanoo to protect himself and none of his attacks are even landing a hit on the hokages

 

[Haizaki]

I already explained why Kisame solo's these clowns.

Lol explain again. That's not happening.

 

[Braiyan]

A 60m starting distance and full intel means Kisame stands a good chance at getting blitzed near the start of the match. The distance between Guy and Madara in

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was around

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, which is not too different from the distance between Minato and Madara when he

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his kunai[

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]. By simply throwing a kunai at Kisame's feet and dropping one by Tobirama, Minato could literally teleport next to Kisame, decapitate him/crush his skull with Rasengan, and teleport back before either Akatsuki member could counterattack. And this is a move he can perform at any point in the match, for instance, if Tobirama were to attack them/counter Itachi's Katons with Suiton beforehand as a distraction while Minato throws his kunai.

Water Dome is not happening in this match unless Kisame wants Itachi to die. Plus there's also the fact that Tobirama and Minato can escape its range easily by simply teleporting to markings outside of Water Dome's radius, or by throwing kunai out of that radius. Thus the only thing Kisame would end up accomplishing with that technique is killing his teammate. Even if he just uses the smaller lake that was used against Team Guy, having that much water benefits Tobirama as well, who can use that same water for larger scale Suitons. It also still leaves Kisame vulnerable to

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via kunai throws from either Minato, his clones, Tobirama or his clones. As for Itachi, full intel on his abilities makes it very unlikely for either kage to fall to genjutsu. The kages' sensing abilities also give them the ability to anticipate Amaterasu and counter with either a shadow clone, FTG, or blocking line of sight with Water Wall or Water Dragon.

Thus, once Kisame is taken care of, Tobirama and Minato could simply dance around Itachi forcing him to maintain Susano'o and drain his stamina with Suitons and explosive tag spam until he has to deactivate it, and then they also take him out.